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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:35:27 PM EDT
Vast swaths of the United States are at risk of running short of power as electricity-hungry data centers and clean-technology factories proliferate around the country, leaving utilities and regulators grasping for credible plans to expand the nation's creaking power grid. In Georgia, demand for industrial power is surging to record highs, with the projection of new electricity use for the next decade now 17 times what it was only recently. Arizona Public Service, the largest utility in that state, is also struggling to keep up, projecting it will be out of transmission capacity before the end of the decade absent major upgrades. Northern Virginia needs the equivalent of several large nuclear power plants to serve all the new data centers planned and under construction. Texas, where electricity shortages are already routine on hot summer days, faces the same dilemma. The soaring demand is touching off a scramble to try to squeeze more juice out of an aging power grid while pushing commercial customers to go to extraordinary lengths to lock down energy sources, such as building their own power plants. "When you look at the numbers, it is staggering," said Jason Shaw, chairman of the Georgia Public Service Commission, which regulates electricity. "It makes you scratch your head and wonder how we ended up in this situation. How were the projections that far off? This has created a challenge like we have never seen before." View Quote |
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Another 50 million illegals will surely reduce the demand for electricity. If we could just get rid of all the coal and NG power plants and add more windmills and solar panels, things would be great. More electric vehicles will help, too.
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Heavily tax people with solar, particularly offgrid capable households. They are not contributing to the grid that the poors need.
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Quoted: Another 50 million illegals will surely reduce the demand for electricity. If we could just get rid of all the coal and NG power plants and add more windmills and solar panels, things would be great. More electric vehicles will help, too. View Quote Only electric: Stoves Ovens Water heaters No natural gas appliances at all!!! That will save us ALL!!! (The ones that survive the homolodor) |
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Better shut down a few more coal plants and ban more gas appliances.
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Quoted: Heavily tax people with solar, particularly offgrid capable households. They are not contributing to the grid that the poors need. View Quote Huh, how are they not contributing? The electricity they produce goes out, unless they are entirely off grid and are feeding a battery bank for their own house. |
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Quoted: Another 50 million illegals will surely reduce the demand for electricity. If we could just get rid of all the coal and NG power plants and add more windmills and solar panels, things would be great. More electric vehicles will help, too. View Quote Hey "insert illegal name here"....either you can pedal your ass off for 50 KW in power output a day....or we can put your ass on a trebuchet and send you right back where you came from..... |
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More AI data centers and EVs will consume power but us peons will have to cut back on our air conditioning. Priorities, you know.
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"It makes you scratch your head and wonder how we ended up in this situation"
A real head scratcher. |
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Quoted: Huh, how are they not contributing? The electricity they produce goes out, unless they are entirely off grid and are feeding a battery bank for their own house. View Quote If you don't provide for the underserved first, you are an evil racist and basically a slave-raping cotton farmer. |
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Oh, you'll be able to have power. And food. And water. And shelter.
Just turn in all of your guns first. The government will care for you. |
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'Power' is nothing more than the answer to a math equation. Do better...
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https://www.ar15.com/forums/outdoors/Check-your-electric-bill/17-706995/
Not a dupe, just ways the power company is changing billing practices to cover expenses for new infrastructure. |
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I'm a commercial electrician in Loudoun County, and the vast majority
of our work for the past ten years has been building data centers. We're at the point where we're commissioning equipment off of generators because the utility companies can't keep up with the demand for substations, even if they could generate and transmit power to those substations. I've read articles about small, on-site nuke plants. @JustinU235 is more knowledgeable about actual power generation. |
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It makes you scratch your head and wonder how we ended up in this situation. View Quote This might be the single dumbest sentence in the last decade. |
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https://twitter.com/Austen/status/1783503091914141942
Austen Allred @Austen It’s time to repost one of my favorite tweets ever Also a short video at link of chick talking about libtard global warming shit. |
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Yeah, and how many reliable coal fired power plants did these evil bastards shut down over the last 15 years?
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Quoted: I'm a commercial electrician in Loudoun County, and the vast majority of our work for the past ten years has been building data centers. We're at the point where we're commissioning equipment off of generators because the utility companies can't keep up with the demand for substations, even if they could generate and transmit power to those substations. I've read articles about small, on-site nuke plants. @JustinU235 is more knowledgeable about actual power generation. View Quote We can't keep up. We know some DC people are going to try SMRs. We also know others will hitch to nukes. I can't say what meta is going to do but we are also running short on power. ETA "can't say" meaning I don't know. TVA is trying to find my site 20 more MWs. |
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Quoted: And had we started building next gen reactors in 2002, we'd have them now. If you never start you never get to the point you want to be. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Power solution for 2044, not 2024. And had we started building next gen reactors in 2002, we'd have them now. If you never start you never get to the point you want to be. But we didn't and the problem is now. |
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Quoted: Another 50 million illegals will surely reduce the demand for electricity. If we could just get rid of all the coal and NG power plants and add more windmills and solar panels, things would be great. More electric vehicles will help, too. View Quote Attached File |
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They’ve all but shut down the coal mines and several power plants here. The closest coal plant attempted to “transition” from coal. I was told the governor informed them that they will not be doing such things.
I guess being a Democrat isn’t powerful enough to ignore every real word consequence. |
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It's a shame that this country was not blessed with an abundance of fossil fuels and the ability to construct safe nuclear plants.
I guess we'll have to ask Iran, Russia and Venezuela to help us out. |
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Quoted: Manufactured crisis. Seen this show before. View Quote https://collections.dartmouth.edu/content/deliver/inline/meadows/pdf/meadows_ltg-001.pdf |
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Even if we had it we don’t have the infrastructure to distribute it
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I don’t know that modern corporate America can solve this crisis. Too focused on short-term quarterly profits which an expensive power plant is not going to generate. Been a more profitable enterprise to buy and consolidate utilities, then sell off/scrap “excess” generation and resell the land for other residential/commercial development.
Solar and wind have grown so much pretty much just to suck up federal subsidy dollars but are otherwise not a real scalable solution to the problem. Building nuclear power plants for projected demand growth twenty years ago would have been the right move. When it takes a veritable Manhattan Project effort to build new generation I don’t know what the solution is. Ground-breaking alternatives like space-based solar put together by an insane genius like Elon Musk? Public (government) investment to build the plants but then private entities to manage them? I don’t think the current path we’re on has any workable solutions other than solar/wind + hugely expensive battery banks. |
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People don't like it, but nationalizing power generation and building nukes at taxpayer expense is probably the best option. Making something like electricity a for profit business is probably a mistake.
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