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Posted: 4/9/2024 2:54:07 PM EDT
Arizona Supreme Court upholds 1864 law banning nearly all abortions
The pink hair mafia will be out stuffing ballot boxes this Nov. I agree with the ruling. Maybe a bit hypocritical, but why couldn't this wait until 2025. |
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I'm not always a dick, just kidding, go fuck yourself.
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Originally Posted By DubyaB: Originally Posted By PTR32Sooner: Principles mean jack shit if you don’t get elected to office. You’re at home with your principles while the liberal that got elected is making law. Exactly, Neither of you have any idea of what it means to have principles then. |
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Originally Posted By bg10: What's your plan? Murder babies until society improves? We've tried that for 50 years. American culture, in the past, set a general standard about how one was to behave. Then the 60's happened and now everyone thinks that a totally amoral people can build a society worth living in. Good job buying the lie. For 250 years everyone has been enjoying the benefits of living in a society shaped by culturally Christian values. Now many seem to think you can have one without the other. Enjoy your "post-Christian" utopian hellscape. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bg10: Originally Posted By ThornBooger: So, your brilliant plan is to just get everyone to act more responsibly? What an utterly childish idea which completely ignores human nature and the reality of the situation. What's your plan? Murder babies until society improves? We've tried that for 50 years. American culture, in the past, set a general standard about how one was to behave. Then the 60's happened and now everyone thinks that a totally amoral people can build a society worth living in. Good job buying the lie. For 250 years everyone has been enjoying the benefits of living in a society shaped by culturally Christian values. Now many seem to think you can have one without the other. Enjoy your "post-Christian" utopian hellscape. |
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White House dispatches Kamala Harris to Arizona: 1864 law banning abortion is set make crucial state the new battleground for reproductive rights... and Democrats are taking full advantage
The White House announced she would be traveling to Tucson later this week shortly after the Arizona Supreme Court upheld the 160-year-old law banning abortion with no exceptions for rape or incest. The White House said the visit would be to 'continue her leadership in the fight for reproductive freedom.' It is her second trip to the battleground state of Arizona this year and her fifth time since being sworn into office. 'Last month, the Vice President visited Phoenix, AZ to highlight how extremists in states across the country have proposed and enacted abortion bans that threaten women’s health, force them to travel out of state to receive care, and criminalize doctors,' the White House said. The Arizona court's 4-2 decision on Tuesday paved the way for enforcement of one of the strictest abortion bans in the country. The civil war era law was written nearly fifty years before Arizona became a state and more than fifty years before women had the right to vote. It mandates two to five years in prison for anyone aiding an abortion, unless the procedure is necessary to save the life of the mother. Harris has been on a 'Fight for Reproductive Freedom' tour across the country that has included stops in Wisconsin, California, Georgia, Michigan, Arizona and Minnesota. Last month, she became the first sitting vice president or president to ever visit an abortion clinic with a trip to a Planned Parenthood facility in Minnesota. 'This even more extreme and dangerous ban criminalizes almost all abortion care in the state and puts women’s lives at risk,' Harris said in a statement following the Arizona decision. Harris slammed former President Trump for his role in nominating three Supreme Court justices that helped overturn Roe with the Dobbs decision in 2022 which returned the issue of abortion to states. 'Arizona just rolled back the clock to a time before women could vote – and, by his own admission, there’s one person responsible: Donald Trump.' Continued |
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I guess all of you abortion absolutists will be content clinging to your moral superiority when you're in the bread line handing over $1000 inflated USD for a loaf, then over to the next line to turn over all of your guns for the mandatory 'buy-back' that was put into law by the Dems you let get elected, then head back to your $5k/month 500 sq ft apt out in the sticks where you were pushed out to when the Dems you basically elected into office forced owners of single family home to hand them over to the state to house families of illegal aliens
Buy hey, at least you were able to stop those evil abortions of non-viable, pre-quickening zygotes for a few months back in 2024 right before the next big election . blah blah "a country that doesn't protect its unborn..." blah blah sure is a nice soundbite to have in your head while you're being herded into the cattle cars |
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Originally Posted By ThornBooger: I'm in favor of the 12-15 week ban. I don't believe that a fetus of that age is a baby, a child, a kid, a person or anything else and I'm in the majority whether you like it or not. View Quote I don’t base my convictions on the majority opinion, but I’m glad you find comfort in agreeing with the majority. |
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Originally Posted By bg10: I don't base my convictions on the majority opinion, but I'm glad you find comfort in agreeing with the majority. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bg10: Originally Posted By ThornBooger: I'm in favor of the 12-15 week ban. I don't believe that a fetus of that age is a baby, a child, a kid, a person or anything else and I'm in the majority whether you like it or not. I don't base my convictions on the majority opinion, but I'm glad you find comfort in agreeing with the majority. The point is that the majority has the power in electoral politics, but of course you know that but choose to play dumb on this issue due to emotions. |
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Originally Posted By mcantu: I guess all of you abortion absolutists will be content clinging to your moral superiority when you're in the bread line handing over $1000 inflated USD for a loaf, then over to the next line to turn over all of your guns for the mandatory 'buy-back' that was put into law by the Dems you let get elected, then head back to your $5k/month 500 sq ft apt out in the sticks where you were pushed out to when the Dems you basically elected into office forced owners of single family home to hand them over to the state to house families of illegal aliens Buy hey, at least you were able to stop those evil abortions of non-viable, pre-quickening zygotes for a few months back in 2024 right before the next big election . blah blah "a country that doesn't protect its unborn..." blah blah sure is a nice soundbite to have in your head while you're being herded into the cattle cars View Quote MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF OUR LIFETIMES! LOOK AT THE POLLS! Do you really think this fearmongering nonsense works on anything but retarded boomers glued to Fox News any longer? I was promised that I would be steamrolled by socialists and put in a FEMA camp if Trump lost in 2020. I was also promised endless winning if Trump won in 2016. Republicans aren't going to stop anything. They'll push us down that same path. They have been. |
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This was not an "abortion bad" ruling, it was "is this law that was never repealed in force?" ruling.
The Government and some judges are also trying to ignore the 1873 Comstock Act which makes it illegal to mail abortifacients in the mifepristone cases. Do we want to go down the route of "old" meaning implicitly repealed or unenforcible? Lots of things are much older than 1864. The Bill of Rights including the 2nd Amendment was ratified in 1791. |
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Originally Posted By mcantu: I guess all of you abortion absolutists will be content clinging to your moral superiority when you're in the bread line handing over $1000 inflated USD for a loaf, then over to the next line to turn over all of your guns for the mandatory 'buy-back' that was put into law by the Dems you let get elected, then head back to your $5k/month 500 sq ft apt out in the sticks where you were pushed out to when the Dems you basically elected into office forced owners of single family home to hand them over to the state to house families of illegal aliens Buy hey, at least you were able to stop those evil abortions of non-viable, pre-quickening zygotes for a few months back in 2024 right before the next big election . blah blah "a country that doesn't protect its unborn..." blah blah sure is a nice soundbite to have in your head while you're being herded into the cattle cars View Quote You ok? |
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Originally Posted By FS7: ...which then simplifies to Republicans simply moving left with no consequence and no benefit. Why would I want to support that? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By FS7: Originally Posted By thunderw21: 100%. Republicans are perfectly happy allowing baby murder as long as there's a chance they get to reelect Mitch McConnell and his buddies, who achieve nothing of substance and run away from every fight. It's been like this for at least 2 generations now, and it's pathetic. ...which then simplifies to Republicans simply moving left with no consequence and no benefit. Why would I want to support that? Yep. I haven't been registered as a Republican for over a decade now. It's the independent life for me. |
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: What you posed required and espoused that the end (having the power to do what you want) justified the means (not fighting insane people and trying to stop them from intentionally killing the unborn). You're literally saying that without doing this wrong, you can't have the means to get what you want. It's a trap and humans fall into it all the time. Yes. There are actual hills you have to die on. Principals you cannot repudiate. Rejecting this is why conservatism in america has failed so often. It's why leftists beat our faces in. We won't sacrifice, and they KNOW it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By Mach: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By Mach: Originally Posted By -Sabot42-: Fuck anyone who kills a baby and fuck anyone willing to win an election by ignoring baby killing. The problem with that is by losing the election, you lose control of law and abortion becomes legal by law. So campaigning against abortion and or getting decisions right before an election when you don't have a solid majority ensure election defeat and abortion legality. It's futile, then you lose your guns and your money and your freedom, so you end up with nothing including the issue of abortion. Yeah, the end justifies the means! No, the end of winning elections ensures political power to educate people and change the course of history and attitudes, that then can be used to make just laws. Losing elections only ensures that dems make the laws and control the narrative. And you have legal abortions again, so either way, you lose on abortion by prohibiting it in the current society and you lose the country with open borders, spending out of control, loss of gun rights, but hey we had a few months to a couple years where abortions were illegal so it is all worth it right? What you posed required and espoused that the end (having the power to do what you want) justified the means (not fighting insane people and trying to stop them from intentionally killing the unborn). You're literally saying that without doing this wrong, you can't have the means to get what you want. It's a trap and humans fall into it all the time. Yes. There are actual hills you have to die on. Principals you cannot repudiate. Rejecting this is why conservatism in america has failed so often. It's why leftists beat our faces in. We won't sacrifice, and they KNOW it. Not really. It has been proven time and time again. You have to pick the time and place of your battles for complete success. Just like in combat. The bottom line is we will lose AZ due to this issue and then abortion will be legal by law as passed by the dems because they will control the AZ govt and nothing will be gained and many other things lost. |
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Americans also liked slavery and white superiority and segregation. Also, the founders spent 10-20 years playing footsie with crown and parliament. Betting that things can't change is never a safe bet. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By vampgrrl: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: “It may be inferred again that the present movement for (insert the thing of the moment here) rights will certainly prevail from the history of its only opponent, Northern conservatism. This [Northern conservatism] is a party which never conserves anything. Its history has been that it demurs to each aggression of the progressive party, and aims to save its credit by a respectable amount of growling, but always acquiesces at last in the innovation. What was the resisted novelty of yesterday is today one of the accepted principles of conservatism; it is now conservative only in affecting to resist the next innovation, which will tomorrow be forced upon its timidity and will be succeeded by some third revolution; to be denounced and then adopted in its turn. American conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward towards perdition. It remains behind it, but never retards it, and always advances near its leader. This pretended salt hath utterly lost its savor: wherewith shall it be salted? Its impotency is not hard, indeed, to explain. It is worthless because it is the conservatism of expediency only, and not of sturdy principle. It intends to risk nothing serious for the sake of the truth, and has no idea of being guilty of the folly of martyrdom. It always when about to enter a protest very blandly informs the wild beast whose path it essays to stop, that its “bark is worse than its bite,” and that it only means to save its manners by enacting its decent role of resistance: The only practical purpose which it now subserves in American politics is to give enough exercise to Radicalism to keep it “in wind,” and to prevent its becoming pursy and lazy, from having nothing to whip.” Dabney? Problem is the right isn't going to win anything anymore, and its going to be transing your unborn child who would have otherwise had an abortion because she/he/they slept with an illegal from China....FOREVER. Most Americans like abortion, A LOT. And its going to keep on keepin' on until the power goes out for the last time. Americans also liked slavery and white superiority and segregation. Also, the founders spent 10-20 years playing footsie with crown and parliament. Betting that things can't change is never a safe bet. and to get a consensus for a new constitution, anti-slavery was NOT included in the Bill of Rights because it would have prevented the Constitution from passinhg |
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Originally Posted By ThornBooger: Strawman argument. The point is that the majority has the power in electoral politics, but of course you know that but choose to play dumb on this issue due to emotions. View Quote Convictions!=emotions Everyone else’s beliefs are based on emotions but yours are based on what? |
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Originally Posted By FS7: What's the point of winning? If you are willing to change all of your positions to win then what do you do with that power? What is the point? View Quote Thats simple, just shut your mouth for an election cycle or two. Then try to do what you want. You dont need to change your position, you just need to shut up about it for a little bit. |
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Originally Posted By ThornBooger: I'm in favor of the 12-15 week ban. I don't believe that a fetus of that age is a baby, a child, a kid, a person or anything else and I'm in the majority whether you like it or not. View Quote You’re wrong. Furthermore… Being in the majority doesn’t make you morally right, as you demonstrate. |
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Originally Posted By jDrexler: You have to pick your battles. If you lose the war because you refuse to adapt, you have zero ability to win battles in the future. View Quote If you don't win election to office, any "platform" or "program" is moot. Those who win elections write the laws. Those who lose elections do not. Bigger_Hammer |
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Originally Posted By bg10: What's your plan? Murder babies until society improves? We've tried that for 50 years. American culture, in the past, set a general standard about how one was to behave. Then the 60's happened and now everyone thinks that a totally amoral people can build a society worth living in. Good job buying the lie. For 250 years everyone has been enjoying the benefits of living in a society shaped by culturally Christian values. Now many seem to think you can have one without the other. Enjoy your "post-Christian" utopian hellscape. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bg10: Originally Posted By ThornBooger: So, your brilliant plan is to just get everyone to act more responsibly? What an utterly childish idea which completely ignores human nature and the reality of the situation. What's your plan? Murder babies until society improves? We've tried that for 50 years. American culture, in the past, set a general standard about how one was to behave. Then the 60's happened and now everyone thinks that a totally amoral people can build a society worth living in. Good job buying the lie. For 250 years everyone has been enjoying the benefits of living in a society shaped by culturally Christian values. Now many seem to think you can have one without the other. Enjoy your "post-Christian" utopian hellscape. Uhhh, I don't think pre-20th century America is what you should point to as a beacon of morality, bro. Things were hunky dory as long as you were white, male, wealthy, and born here. Everybody else had it rough. I know Christians love to take credit for shaping American culture but they ignore the bits about slavery and the treatment of women/immigrants. |
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Everything posted above is factual. Maybe.
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Originally Posted By mcantu: I guess all of you abortion absolutists will be content clinging to your moral superiority when you're in the bread line handing over $1000 inflated USD for a loaf, then over to the next line to turn over all of your guns for the mandatory 'buy-back' that was put into law by the Dems you let get elected, then head back to your $5k/month 500 sq ft apt out in the sticks where you were pushed out to when the Dems you basically elected into office forced owners of single family home to hand them over to the state to house families of illegal aliens Buy hey, at least you were able to stop those evil abortions of non-viable, pre-quickening zygotes for a few months back in 2024 right before the next big election . blah blah "a country that doesn't protect its unborn..." blah blah sure is a nice soundbite to have in your head while you're being herded into the cattle cars View Quote Thanks for putting your lack of morals on display for all to see. |
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Originally Posted By StaccatoC2: Thats simple, just shut your mouth for an election cycle or two. Then try to do what you want. You dont need to change your position, you just need to shut up about it for a little bit. View Quote You believe Americans will be more receptive to “evil conservative” ways if no one mentions abortion for a decade or so? You don’t believe the MSM and dems will just attach a new evil that will then need to be “shut up about”? At what point do you just become them? |
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Originally Posted By FS7: The right is embarrassingly bad at wielding power. There is no point whatsoever to winning if you can't wield power and exercise your will to implement your policies. What the right has done is win occasionally and do almost nothing to govern. Why bother? Trump accomplished one thing, the appointment of justices that overturned Roe vs. Wade. They of course are overall disappointments, and Trump's running away from his own accomplishment as fast as he can. Nobody's meaningfully pushed back against Obamacare, or the woke mob, or medical fascism, or anything like that. In many cases they've actively taken part in it. Other than state-level progress (DeSantis, Reynolds, to some extent Kemp, Abbott, and Youngkin) the Republicans are useless. They don't do anything. There is no point to winning when you don't do anything with the power you gain. View Quote Sure sounds like you where one of the ones who did not vote in VA. I am sure the rest of the state thanks you. |
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Originally Posted By ecreps: I would lose every election to save unborn children from being murdered. You either have convictions about what is right, or you don't. I do, atleast about killing kids. View Quote This right here. If it is just a matter of saying what they want to hear to when the election and throwing away any morals ov values, I have no desire to win. Even if it means expediting the destruction of this nation.... |
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The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math.
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Originally Posted By AXE0FWAR: You believe Americans will be more receptive to “evil conservative” ways if no one mentions abortion for a decade or so? You don’t believe the MSM and dems will just attach a new evil that will then need to be “shut up about”? At what point do you just become them? View Quote I did not say a decade, or even 2 years in this post. Use a little common sense here, the thread is about AZ having this come out right before an an election, a presidential election. In this case shut up for about 8 months or so. |
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Originally Posted By StaccatoC2: I did not say a decade, or even 2 years in this post. Use a little common sense here, the thread is about AZ having this come out right before an an election, a presidential election. In this case shut up for about 8 months or so. View Quote Ok, after 8mo, what’s the plan? |
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Originally Posted By Cypher214: Uhhh, I don't think pre-20th century America is what you should point to as a beacon of morality, bro. Things were hunky dory as long as you were white, male, wealthy, and born here. Everybody else had it rough. I know Christians love to take credit for shaping American culture but they ignore the bits about slavery and the treatment of women/immigrants. View Quote The American abolitionist movement started by, heavily influenced by, and largely led by Christians. |
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Originally Posted By FS7: What's the point of winning? If you are willing to change all of your positions to win then what do you do with that power? What is the point? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By FS7: Originally Posted By fingas: If we don't win then someday there will be enough blue states to enshrine abortion in the constitution via an amendment. What's the point of winning? If you are willing to change all of your positions to win then what do you do with that power? What is the point? No one is suggesting the GOP candidates change all of their positions to mirror the Democrats candidates. |
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Originally Posted By FS7: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/07/12/voting-patterns-in-the-2022-elections/ Except that didn't happen. I don't know why people think "moderation" on abortion is a winning strategy. It never has been. Not once ever. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By FS7: Originally Posted By StevenH: Married white women that lean conservative will vote D when abortion access is in question. See 2020 & 2022 https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/07/12/voting-patterns-in-the-2022-elections/ Except that didn't happen. I don't know why people think "moderation" on abortion is a winning strategy. It never has been. Not once ever. Oh yes it did, The told them one thing, then voted another. Abortion is the reason there was no Red Tsunami in 2022. Women want their right to choose whether they say they do or not. |
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Originally Posted By Never_A_Wick: You're wrong. Furthermore Being in the majority doesn't make you morally right, as you demonstrate. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Never_A_Wick: Originally Posted By ThornBooger: I'm in favor of the 12-15 week ban. I don't believe that a fetus of that age is a baby, a child, a kid, a person or anything else and I'm in the majority whether you like it or not. You're wrong. Furthermore Being in the majority doesn't make you morally right, as you demonstrate. |
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Originally Posted By Gelandewagen: And they will legalize child murder, genocide and drugs to keep everyone to high to notice... So we better vote for child murder, genocide and drugs to keep them out of office?? GTFO View Quote No, when you're campaigning, don't say anything about it, dont campaign on it. It's a losing proposition in the campaign. |
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Republicans are the dog that caught the car. Now they do not know what to do with it. Crazy to see people like Kari Lake, who supported the law earlier, now claiming it goes to far. They are seeing the moderate base riled up and they are scared. Frankly I see more people riled up now against the abortion restrictions than I see people riled up against gun restrictions. The Democrats openly claim now their desire to ban guns and it is hurting them less and less. Meanwhile the Republicans are pushing for a nationwide limit on abortion and it is not looking to good for them outside their deep red core supporters.
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Is this a principal we should always uphold? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By Media_Noche: Originally Posted By PTR32Sooner: Principles mean jack shit if you don’t get elected to office. You’re at home with your principles while the liberal that got elected is making law. Pretty much. The perfect is the enemy of the good. Is this a principal we should always uphold? If you want to win the war, you have to know how to fight the war, Right now, Republicans with the abortion issue are the British on the Somme. |
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Civil War-Era Law Upheld to Ban Abortion in Arizona |
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Abortion is a constitutional right......somewhere in the Constitution. The penumbras and such. This is America; we don't need due process of law before killing another human being.
We need to have abortion accessible and convenient for women. We should put one in each Starbucks so the woman can get her latte and murder her baby all in one convenient fucking stop. |
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All Part of Thr RINOs plans. See Paul Ryan/ McCain.
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Browning Hi-Power, the side arm of the free world
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Originally Posted By realwar: White House dispatches Kamala Harris to Arizona: 1864 law banning abortion is set make crucial state the new battleground for reproductive rights... and Democrats are taking full advantage https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/04/10/15/83465877-0-image-m-15_1712760863611.jpg The White House announced she would be traveling to Tucson later this week shortly after the Arizona Supreme Court upheld the 160-year-old law banning abortion with no exceptions for rape or incest. The White House said the visit would be to 'continue her leadership in the fight for reproductive freedom.' It is her second trip to the battleground state of Arizona this year and her fifth time since being sworn into office. 'Last month, the Vice President visited Phoenix, AZ to highlight how extremists in states across the country have proposed and enacted abortion bans that threaten women’s health, force them to travel out of state to receive care, and criminalize doctors,' the White House said. The Arizona court's 4-2 decision on Tuesday paved the way for enforcement of one of the strictest abortion bans in the country. The civil war era law was written nearly fifty years before Arizona became a state and more than fifty years before women had the right to vote. It mandates two to five years in prison for anyone aiding an abortion, unless the procedure is necessary to save the life of the mother. Harris has been on a 'Fight for Reproductive Freedom' tour across the country that has included stops in Wisconsin, California, Georgia, Michigan, Arizona and Minnesota. Last month, she became the first sitting vice president or president to ever visit an abortion clinic with a trip to a Planned Parenthood facility in Minnesota. 'This even more extreme and dangerous ban criminalizes almost all abortion care in the state and puts women’s lives at risk,' Harris said in a statement following the Arizona decision. Harris slammed former President Trump for his role in nominating three Supreme Court justices that helped overturn Roe with the Dobbs decision in 2022 which returned the issue of abortion to states. 'Arizona just rolled back the clock to a time before women could vote – and, by his own admission, there’s one person responsible: Donald Trump.' Continued View Quote good, she seems to fuck up everything she touches |
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Leave it to the states. The people in each state are deciding.
In AZ and want an abortion, go to a neighboring state |
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Originally Posted By FS7: The right is embarrassingly bad at wielding power. There is no point whatsoever to winning if you can't wield power and exercise your will to implement your policies. What the right has done is win occasionally and do almost nothing to govern. Why bother? Trump accomplished one thing, the appointment of justices that overturned Roe vs. Wade. They of course are overall disappointments, and Trump's running away from his own accomplishment as fast as he can. Nobody's meaningfully pushed back against Obamacare, or the woke mob, or medical fascism, or anything like that. In many cases they've actively taken part in it. Other than state-level progress (DeSantis, Reynolds, to some extent Kemp, Abbott, and Youngkin) the Republicans are useless. They don't do anything. There is no point to winning when you don't do anything with the power you gain. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By FS7: Originally Posted By jDrexler: Ok, so don’t be surprised when the right continues to lose. The left doesn’t have to concede because they have the upper hand. ETA: for being the party full of military history nerds, the right is embarrassingly bad at understanding basic strategy. The right is embarrassingly bad at wielding power. There is no point whatsoever to winning if you can't wield power and exercise your will to implement your policies. What the right has done is win occasionally and do almost nothing to govern. Why bother? Trump accomplished one thing, the appointment of justices that overturned Roe vs. Wade. They of course are overall disappointments, and Trump's running away from his own accomplishment as fast as he can. Nobody's meaningfully pushed back against Obamacare, or the woke mob, or medical fascism, or anything like that. In many cases they've actively taken part in it. Other than state-level progress (DeSantis, Reynolds, to some extent Kemp, Abbott, and Youngkin) the Republicans are useless. They don't do anything. There is no point to winning when you don't do anything with the power you gain. So you are just giving up and surrendering, got it. |
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Originally Posted By mcantu: I guess all of you abortion absolutists will be content clinging to your moral superiority when you're in the bread line handing over $1000 inflated USD for a loaf, then over to the next line to turn over all of your guns for the mandatory 'buy-back' that was put into law by the Dems you let get elected, then head back to your $5k/month 500 sq ft apt out in the sticks where you were pushed out to when the Dems you basically elected into office forced owners of single family home to hand them over to the state to house families of illegal aliens Buy hey, at least you were able to stop those evil abortions of non-viable, pre-quickening zygotes for a few months back in 2024 right before the next big election . blah blah "a country that doesn't protect its unborn..." blah blah sure is a nice soundbite to have in your head while you're being herded into the cattle cars View Quote Of course there is nuance in that less dead babies is preferable to more dead babies. We can vote for the lesser of two evils where we have the option. However , when we have to start exchanging human lives for political slots it is a system that is already damned fail. The reason all this seems coordinated ..like a single mastermind is behind the DNC and half the RNC ...is because there is. Spiritual darkness loves death and suffering ..it needs America to fall because America is/ was a (imperfect) force for liberty and light. One timeless strategy to crush nations is to get them to damn themselves though sexual hedonism and the murder of the innocent. |
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Everywhere we go, we are surrounded by people who stumble through life dependent upon the vigilance and/or kindness of others. - Zardoz
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Originally Posted By T1NMAN: Of course there is nuance in that less dead babies is preferable to more dead babies. We can vote for the lesser of two evils where we have the option. However , when we have to start exchanging human lives for political slots it is a system that is already damned fail. The reason all this seems coordinated ..like a single mastermind is behind the DNC and half the RNC ...is because there is. Spiritual darkness loves death and suffering ..it needs America to fall because America is/ was a (imperfect) force for liberty and light. One timeless strategy to crush nations is to get them to damn themselves though sexual hedonism and the murder of the innocent. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By T1NMAN: Originally Posted By mcantu: I guess all of you abortion absolutists will be content clinging to your moral superiority when you're in the bread line handing over $1000 inflated USD for a loaf, then over to the next line to turn over all of your guns for the mandatory 'buy-back' that was put into law by the Dems you let get elected, then head back to your $5k/month 500 sq ft apt out in the sticks where you were pushed out to when the Dems you basically elected into office forced owners of single family home to hand them over to the state to house families of illegal aliens Buy hey, at least you were able to stop those evil abortions of non-viable, pre-quickening zygotes for a few months back in 2024 right before the next big election . blah blah "a country that doesn't protect its unborn..." blah blah sure is a nice soundbite to have in your head while you're being herded into the cattle cars Of course there is nuance in that less dead babies is preferable to more dead babies. We can vote for the lesser of two evils where we have the option. However , when we have to start exchanging human lives for political slots it is a system that is already damned fail. The reason all this seems coordinated ..like a single mastermind is behind the DNC and half the RNC ...is because there is. Spiritual darkness loves death and suffering ..it needs America to fall because America is/ was a (imperfect) force for liberty and light. One timeless strategy to crush nations is to get them to damn themselves though sexual hedonism and the murder of the innocent. I think his point is more that this is less "less dead babies," than it is "zero less dead babies for 10 months or so in AZ, then a ton of more dead babies in the whole country for a loooong time to come." ETA: Fixed the above, since the article in the OP mentions that there will not actually be any enforcement of the law in AZ. |
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We've now proven that we have zero rights, just what privileges we are allowed at any given time.
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Originally Posted By StaccatoC2: Thats simple, just shut your mouth for an election cycle or two. Then try to do what you want. You dont need to change your position, you just need to shut up about it for a little bit. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By StaccatoC2: Originally Posted By FS7: What's the point of winning? If you are willing to change all of your positions to win then what do you do with that power? What is the point? Thats simple, just shut your mouth for an election cycle or two. Then try to do what you want. You dont need to change your position, you just need to shut up about it for a little bit. That worked out really well with gay marriage. |
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"Moral principles do not depend on a majority vote. Wrong is wrong, even if everybody is wrong. Right is right, even if nobody is right.” - Fulton J. Sheen
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Originally Posted By Ajek: That worked out really well with gay marriage. View Quote And I really could give .0087 cents about that. I do feel marriage is between a man and woman, but its a piece of paper that can make their life hell when they divorce. Let them have it as it does not effect me at all. Its a state issued piece of paper, signed by a politician, big fn deal. |
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"I am gonna laugh my ass off looking out the air vent of the box car watching some of you shot in the head in a ditch when you finally realize it's time to resist." stolen from RR_broccoli
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Originally Posted By Ajek: That worked out really well with gay marriage. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Ajek: Originally Posted By StaccatoC2: Originally Posted By FS7: What's the point of winning? If you are willing to change all of your positions to win then what do you do with that power? What is the point? Thats simple, just shut your mouth for an election cycle or two. Then try to do what you want. You dont need to change your position, you just need to shut up about it for a little bit. That worked out really well with gay marriage. The moment marriage became a tax status the clock started ticking. If the only arguments you can muster are religious ones, the law changing is inevitable. the correct answer on gay marriage was repealing all laws that recognize marriage as a legal status that grants any benefits. Should have remained a religious tradition. It’s one reason I encourage people to stop quoting scripture in political debates. It’s a losing hand. |
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