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Quoted: Entertainingly enough, it is not do to a lack of spare parts nomatter what my illustrious .gov says, thwy were destroying cases of never issued No4 rifles as recently as 5 years ago (can't sell them to us subjects now...)
I think they just want a more modern firearm, though I am not sure why they are sticking with 303 unless the rumours of us having great stockpiles of ammo are true View Quote Well, if we show up w/ 500 No 4s on offer, someone might get embarrassed & the truth will out - while we get some decent publicity doing so. |
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I would not give them even a single cartridge. I will never forgive the government of Canada for the gun registry. I will also never forgive them for closing down the Long Branch Arsenal. Fuck them. |
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Uh no. The Canadians are big boys. They can buy their own rifles.
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Entertainingly enough, it is not do to a lack of spare parts nomatter what my illustrious .gov says, thwy were destroying cases of never issued No4 rifles as recently as 5 years ago (can't sell them to us subjects now...) I think they just want a more modern firearm, though I am not sure why they are sticking with 303 unless the rumours of us having great stockpiles of ammo are true View Quote please let this be true |
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Quoted: I would not give them even a single cartridge.
I will never forgive the government of Canada for the gun registry. I will also never forgive them for closing down the Long Branch Arsenal. Fuck them. View Quote Lol. I guess we can't send the Canadian contributions to your house. BTW, your inbox is full. |
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why would i donate anything to a gov agency? they can go buy their fucking own off gunbroker or a gunshow, or foreign gov..
i SERIOUSLY doubt the world is dry of those rifles, there are shitloads somewhere, and a gov could afford to buy enough for another 100 years for little money im sure. while im on the topic, i would not donate a weapon or ammo to my own gov or agencies. they have plenty, and a damn sight more money than i do. now... if kentucky fielded a state militia, or the kentucky national guard was hard up, and each member was required to provide their own weapons.../ needed weapons.. yes. i would take some young enlistee/ soldier ( that i know somehow) , and donate to him a rifle and a handgun and web gear ammo and mags. but send off a weapon to some nameless gov entity? fuck no. |
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And the positive media spin for us, and the embarrassment it would cause the politicians might give our Top Hat friends the wiggle room to achieve some gains. Play the long game... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Donate a gun to a country that if if you accidently drove into theirs with an AR15 or other undeclared firearm would throw you in the stockade? Nah.
I do admire them for watching our border and the northern front, but that's their national security at stake as well. They can afford to buy their own rifles. If they loosened their gun laws, I think I could find a rifle or two to donate... And the positive media spin for us, and the embarrassment it would cause the politicians might give our Top Hat friends the wiggle room to achieve some gains. Play the long game... Like the Media would really pick up the story and broadcast it nationally on the prime-time news or in the major newspapers. You're deluding yourself. |
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They can't buy spare parts from India or Pakistan?
I have three, including a.22 Trainer from New Zeland. No, hell no. |
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Beyond the Canadian .gov throwing away spares it's not an impossible thing for a .gov entity to commission a thousand gun run of these made completely new from billet. They don't want to is the correct answer not that they can't.
That's plenty of receivers and bolts for a decent price. |
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Say, Bradders, out of curiosity, how much mil-surp .303 ammo do you have in the U.K.? Is it as hard to find as it is over here in the States? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: I have this unfired 1945 Long Branch No 4 T, but no Canucki's getting his paws on it
<a href="http://s818.photobucket.com/user/Mbradders/media/null_zps7c467030.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz105/Mbradders/null_zps7c467030.jpg</a> <a href="http://s818.photobucket.com/user/Mbradders/media/null_zps68773808.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz105/Mbradders/null_zps68773808.jpg</a> And here is it with my other one, a 1942 BSA <a href="http://s818.photobucket.com/user/Mbradders/media/null_zps70a39277.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz105/Mbradders/null_zps70a39277.jpg</a> Beautiful guns. But we're not asking for 4Ts. Just garden variety No 4s. Not the most valuable rare bird in the collection. But if you have a few, how many would you donate to the Canadian Rangers who have been screwed by their socialist government procurement system, and at the same time generate a lot of good media for ARFCOM and gunowners? They're the only Enfields i have, I sent my No4 mk1/2 to my brother in Australia last week Say, Bradders, out of curiosity, how much mil-surp .303 ammo do you have in the U.K.? Is it as hard to find as it is over here in the States? The only stuff readily available here these days is Privi and S&B....but it's fucking expensive Sadly the sealed cans of XHP are long gone |
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Sixteen rifles volunteered here, and one on another forum. Keep ARFCOM in the lead, please.
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Nope.
Sorry, I don't give away personal property, and I surely don't spend my own money to give stuff away. |
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Maybe they can claim to be a marijuana cartel and ask the ATF for some...
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`i think some of you wankers are taking this far too seriously View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Nope. Sorry, I don't give away personal property, and I surely don't spend my own money to give stuff away. `i think some of you wankers are taking this far too seriously Waaaayyy too seriously. LE is a good gun, not one of my favorites, but it served them well and it is past time they were armed with something new. Thankfully, there is now a government in Ottawa that doesn't think guns are bad m'kay and might even pay for replacements, if that age old Canadian stinginess towards anything military doesn't get in the way. So thanks to everybody who was considering donating, but - it's - not - needed. Thanks anyway, OK? Actually, I think Canadians sent guns to England after 1940 too. There was a 30 - 30 in every haystack then, like now. |
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49 total @ this time - ARFCOM well in the lead w/ 37 rifles volunteered. Cheers to those of you volunteering 9 @ a go.
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To keep the No 4 in service, as a point of pride as a No 4 owner. B/c the Canadian socialist government procurement bureaucracy has screwed over the Rangers, and this would embarrass the bureaucrats and the socialists. If you've ever wanted to put a No 4's butt on the back of a military procurement bureaucrat who has failed you, and those who defend you, this is your chance. B/c you're only giving up the ones you don't shoot anyway, we're not asking for your pride and joy. B/c the Canadian Rangers defend you in colder weather than you'll ever be out in, and they do it for weeks at a time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Warning_System B/c the positive media attention of a gift of several hundred rifles by American and Canadian gunowners would be a win for ARFCOM, and for American and Canadian rifle owners in general. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Why the fuck would I donate my gun to a foreign government entity? To keep the No 4 in service, as a point of pride as a No 4 owner. B/c the Canadian socialist government procurement bureaucracy has screwed over the Rangers, and this would embarrass the bureaucrats and the socialists. If you've ever wanted to put a No 4's butt on the back of a military procurement bureaucrat who has failed you, and those who defend you, this is your chance. B/c you're only giving up the ones you don't shoot anyway, we're not asking for your pride and joy. B/c the Canadian Rangers defend you in colder weather than you'll ever be out in, and they do it for weeks at a time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Warning_System The North Warning System (NWS) is a joint United States and Canadian radar system for the atmospheric air defense of North America. It provides surveillance of airspace from potential incursions or attacks from across North America's polar region. It replaced the Distant Early Warning Line system in the late 1980s. B/c the positive media attention of a gift of several hundred rifles by American and Canadian gunowners would be a win for ARFCOM, and for American and Canadian rifle owners in general. I don't get why you are set on getting them rifles. Are you Canadian? This is such a weird thread because you are taking it so seriously. Nobody will ship them their rifle free of charge just to get their jumblies off and feel good about it. I think we should let the Canadians deal with the problem themselves. What is the story about guns being dumped into the ocean? Why are you pretending it will benefit Arfcom? |
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I don't get why you are set on getting them rifles. Are you Canadian? This is such a weird thread because you are taking it so seriously. Nobody will ship them their rifle free of charge just to get their jumblies off and feel good about it. I think we should let the Canadians deal with the problem themselves. What is the story about guns being dumped into the ocean? Why are you pretending it will benefit Arfcom? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: Why the fuck would I donate my gun to a foreign government entity? To keep the No 4 in service, as a point of pride as a No 4 owner. B/c the Canadian socialist government procurement bureaucracy has screwed over the Rangers, and this would embarrass the bureaucrats and the socialists. If you've ever wanted to put a No 4's butt on the back of a military procurement bureaucrat who has failed you, and those who defend you, this is your chance. B/c you're only giving up the ones you don't shoot anyway, we're not asking for your pride and joy. B/c the Canadian Rangers defend you in colder weather than you'll ever be out in, and they do it for weeks at a time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Warning_System The North Warning System (NWS) is a joint United States and Canadian radar system for the atmospheric air defense of North America. It provides surveillance of airspace from potential incursions or attacks from across North America's polar region. It replaced the Distant Early Warning Line system in the late 1980s. B/c the positive media attention of a gift of several hundred rifles by American and Canadian gunowners would be a win for ARFCOM, and for American and Canadian rifle owners in general. I don't get why you are set on getting them rifles. Are you Canadian? This is such a weird thread because you are taking it so seriously. Nobody will ship them their rifle free of charge just to get their jumblies off and feel good about it. I think we should let the Canadians deal with the problem themselves. What is the story about guns being dumped into the ocean? Why are you pretending it will benefit Arfcom? And here's a valid criticism of your 2013 join date - as a newer member and a non-team member without access to that section of the site, you have absolutely no idea how generous the members on this board really are. Not a single damn clue. I've watched them donate to strangers going through tough patches in their lives, divorces, illnesses - I recall a thread where a poster felt awful that his children might have a luckluster christmas due to a hardship. You have no idea how many members here were willing to send gifts to them, people they will never meet in person. This happens time and time again. A chance to put a thumb in the eye of bureaucrats? A chance for a blip of positive coverage? An unused gun being reintroduced back into service? Many a member here would take the opportunity, as several here have already said they'll do - turn your reading comprehension switch to its "on" setting, you should have picked that up by page 2. |
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I have a hard time believing there are 4 people donating 9 rifles as the poll states...
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Cheap SVT-40s? I'd do that trade right now, SVT-40 for No. 4. ETA: Look at this. $300 Canukistan Moose Money. Fucking Russian import ban. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Other than bagged milk and snow what do they have to trade? I've a '42 Longbranch that could use some Artic duty. Cheap SVT-40s? I'd do that trade right now, SVT-40 for No. 4. ETA: Look at this. $300 Canukistan Moose Money. Fucking Russian import ban. Sounds reasonable. |
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Quoted: I have a hard time believing there are 4 people donating 9 rifles as the poll states...
Could it be that there are some members not taking the poll seriously? View Quote Sure. But the faster we reach 500, the sooner we ask for pictures. Once we have 500 pictures of serial numbers, decent stocks, and bullets in bores, we'll send a Canadian member, hat in hand, to the Rangers. "We understand you're dropping the No. 4, b/c yours are old & worn out, & you can't get parts. We've 500 of 'em in decent shape - here are the pictures. If we deliver 500 decent ones to you, will you keep it in service?" I imagine once we get to that point, we'll have well more than 500 rifles volunteered. ETA: We're @ 10% of the minimum - 59 rifles volunteered. This is the first day. Arsenal of Democracy, indeed. |
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Quoted: Donate a gun to a country that if if you accidently drove into theirs with an AR15 or other undeclared firearm would throw you in the stockade? Nah.
I do admire them for watching our border and the northern front, but that's their national security at stake as well. They can afford to buy their own rifles. If they loosened their gun laws, I think I could find a rifle or two to donate... And the positive media spin for us, and the embarrassment it would cause the politicians might give our Top Hat friends the wiggle room to achieve some gains. Play the long game... Like the Media would really pick up the story and broadcast it nationally on the prime-time news or in the major newspapers. You're deluding yourself. This. I don't see how the US media would give two hoots about Arfcom sending "some old rifles" to Canada. You might see some minor press from the NRA or something, and that won't benefit the site, because only gun owners would see it. It would be more of tooting your own horn. If the point is to benefit arfcom, you would be better served to sell the donated rifles and send the money to the site. |
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Quoted: This. I don't see how the US media would give two hoots about Arfcom sending "some old rifles" to Canada. You might see some minor press from the NRA or something, and that won't benefit the site, because only gun owners would see it. It would be more of tooting your own horn. If the point is to benefit arfcom, you would be better served to sell the donated rifles and send the money to the site. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: This. I don't see how the US media would give two hoots about Arfcom sending "some old rifles" to Canada. You might see some minor press from the NRA or something, and that won't benefit the site, because only gun owners would see it. It would be more of tooting your own horn. If the point is to benefit arfcom, you would be better served to sell the donated rifles and send the money to the site. 5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? |
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And here's a valid criticism of your 2013 join date - as a newer member and a non-team member without access to that section of the site, you have absolutely no idea how generous the members on this board really are. Not a single damn clue. I've watched them donate to strangers going through tough patches in their lives, divorces, illnesses - I recall a thread where a poster felt awful that his children might have a luckluster christmas due to a hardship. You have no idea how many members here were willing to send gifts to them, people they will never meet in person. This happens time and time again. A chance to put a thumb in the eye of bureaucrats? A chance for a blip of positive coverage? An unused gun being reintroduced back into service? Many a member here would take the opportunity, as several here have already said they'll do - turn your reading comprehension switch to its "on" setting, you should have picked that up by page 2. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: Why the fuck would I donate my gun to a foreign government entity? To keep the No 4 in service, as a point of pride as a No 4 owner. B/c the Canadian socialist government procurement bureaucracy has screwed over the Rangers, and this would embarrass the bureaucrats and the socialists. If you've ever wanted to put a No 4's butt on the back of a military procurement bureaucrat who has failed you, and those who defend you, this is your chance. B/c you're only giving up the ones you don't shoot anyway, we're not asking for your pride and joy. B/c the Canadian Rangers defend you in colder weather than you'll ever be out in, and they do it for weeks at a time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Warning_System The North Warning System (NWS) is a joint United States and Canadian radar system for the atmospheric air defense of North America. It provides surveillance of airspace from potential incursions or attacks from across North America's polar region. It replaced the Distant Early Warning Line system in the late 1980s. B/c the positive media attention of a gift of several hundred rifles by American and Canadian gunowners would be a win for ARFCOM, and for American and Canadian rifle owners in general. I don't get why you are set on getting them rifles. Are you Canadian? This is such a weird thread because you are taking it so seriously. Nobody will ship them their rifle free of charge just to get their jumblies off and feel good about it. I think we should let the Canadians deal with the problem themselves. What is the story about guns being dumped into the ocean? Why are you pretending it will benefit Arfcom? And here's a valid criticism of your 2013 join date - as a newer member and a non-team member without access to that section of the site, you have absolutely no idea how generous the members on this board really are. Not a single damn clue. I've watched them donate to strangers going through tough patches in their lives, divorces, illnesses - I recall a thread where a poster felt awful that his children might have a luckluster christmas due to a hardship. You have no idea how many members here were willing to send gifts to them, people they will never meet in person. This happens time and time again. A chance to put a thumb in the eye of bureaucrats? A chance for a blip of positive coverage? An unused gun being reintroduced back into service? Many a member here would take the opportunity, as several here have already said they'll do - turn your reading comprehension switch to its "on" setting, you should have picked that up by page 2. I have donated to a few of the fundraisers here, but mostly to pet ones. This is frankly a fundraiser (if I even had the rifle being requested) that I would not partake in. A chance to thumb my nose at bureaucrats? Puhleeze! You're just as deluded. The amount of coverage garnered would not even register with anyone who isn't within this very small niche forum. Sure, there are A LOT of members, and a lot of members do good stuff. But compared to the population, it is very small. Plus, which major news agency is going to report on some forum members donating guns to a Canadian group who is quite obscure. I have heard of the Rangers, but maybe it is time to modernize their arsenal a bit. Donating a rifle for nostalgia's sake is just silly. I comprehended what was said on page one, but it became more apparent that the OP was actually serious later on in the thread. When it comes down to it, if each member who pledged a rifle gave one up, I think there would be some merit to your statements. However, I doubt VERY MUCH that anyone would actually box up their curio and relic, take it to the post office and mail it off to the Great White North. We are collectors of guns, not an armory for another country. |
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Quoted: This. I don't see how the US media would give two hoots about Arfcom sending "some old rifles" to Canada. You might see some minor press from the NRA or something, and that won't benefit the site, because only gun owners would see it. It would be more of tooting your own horn. If the point is to benefit arfcom, you would be better served to sell the donated rifles and send the money to the site. View Quote 5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? View Quote View Quote I didn't mention anything about ripping anyone off. If people want to donate guns to help the site I think this is a better way. I don't see media running with this story. Or hell, send the money to the Canadians if that's what you want to do. I really don't see why it's a problem for them to get new technology. Do you think the Ruskies they are protecting everyone will be carrying Mosins? Sure, the No 4 is a great gun... for collectors. If someone is supposed to be protecting me I would rather them have something a little more modern. |
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Never. I'll torch them myself before giving them to a gov't that had a long gun registry and still has gun laws that suck.
They can pay for their own shit that'll just end up getting destroyed when they are done with it. |
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Nope. At best they'd strip it for parts.
Worst, they'd just trash it. And their firearms policy sucks so hard, I heard yesterday that they won't even import BB guns that shoot faster than 495 fps. A fucking BB gun. |
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92 rifles volunteered. ARFCOM still in 1st place, but another forum is gaining quickly.
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View Quote I see you have difficulty understanding the term "Sold Out" |
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We gave a shit load of guns to the Brits during WWII. People donated their hunting rifles and shotguns to arm the home guard or whatever, plus all the gun our government sent them. As I recall those gun all got dumped in The Channel or something after the war.
The Canadians aren't broke. They can buy their troops guns.
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Quoted: We gave a shit load of guns to the Brits during WWII. People donated their hunting rifles and shotguns to arm the home guard or whatever, plus all the gun our government sent them. As I recall those gun all got dumped in The Channel or something after the war.
The Canadians aren't broke. They can buy their troops guns. View Quote Indeed. But their procurement rules are screwed up to the point that this is the 2nd time they've put it out for tender. It would be great if the Rangers announce next week they're getting 5000 brand spanking new Colt Diemaco .308" bolt actions. If we end up w/ 500 serial numbered pictures of decent condition No. 4 rifles, whether or not the Rangers ever accept them is not the only gain. The publicity from the mere offer will give ARFCOM and another gun board good press, and may shame the Canadian gov't into speeding up the procurement process for the Rangers - or loosening it so they can buy Rugers, which is what they want. @ worst, we have an interesting serial-numbered photographic survey of good condition No. 4 rifles, and no harm done. |
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...But their procurement rules are screwed up to the point that this is the 2nd time they've put it out for tender. Are you that ignorant or naive about arms procurement? Our own .mil is constantly putting out RFP's and notices about firearm purchases......most will never actually be purchased. The publicity from the mere offer will give ARFCOM and another gun board good press, Sure it will You can't even garner respect or good press on the guns boards you've posted this "competition". and may shame the Canadian gov't into speeding up the procurement process for the Rangers Seriously doubtful. |
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I see you have difficulty understanding the term "Sold Out" Order more... That's what I do when peoples want a particular firearm... |
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