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Posted: 4/15/2012 7:44:55 AM EDT
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Anyone else in it? They just sent out 275,000 beta keys last week. I don't think they're alerting via email. If you've opted in to the beta, you should check your bnet account through the website and see if you've got it.
Alternatively, anyone have questions for someone who is in the beta? |
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Originally Posted By Hollywood695: if your best toon is a level 70 but is still shit for gear, ask for backup in clan chat. I have a 70 DH that is still technically a piece of shit above hard difficulty because he has shit gear, and other clan members have still been more that willing to do their thing and help cover me View Quote I talked a friend through gambling a couple items and rerolling specific stats on his wizard last night. His paper damage doubled to 600k in under 30 minutes by just spending some crafting materials, bloodshards and money. He previously had been running rifts for a week and had been struggling to upgrade. Spend the gold on upgrading your gems. The difference in primary stat bonuses between a marquise and a flawless royal is over 200 points PER gem. Upgrading the gems on your armor and pants alone can add over 800% extra dmg.
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David_ESM: "Wait. So have you ever been cock bit by a goose?"
Kolat: "Yes" Cock biting update (8/12/10) Kolat: "Yes. More then once." |
The gems are an insane boost to damage and survivability. If you're also struggling below Torment 1 for more than a week I would highly suggest looking at what skills you are using. There are certain combinations that just don't do very well. There are some oddball combinations that work better than most standard builds. My barbarian uses weapon throw and ancient spear to amazing effect. Toss a few axes, toss a spear to drag them in, use overpower, and they're dead. If not, they will be if they attack me.
My WD uses tons of spirit skills to build up his mana regeneration and then spams zombie bears. If they aren't dead from the everlasting dots, they will be when the zombie bears hit them. It's a new take on a traditional killing method AND it's better than the traditional one. |
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HC Crusader last night was up to 680k base paper dmg and 15 million unbuffed toughness. With slash stacked and laws of valor - critical on, it was over 850k and I was dropping bombardments for 45 million dmg.
Love seeing those big numbers. My Wiz friend was sitting at 1.8 million paper dmg with buffs and valor on. I still have to upgrade all my gems. But down under 5 million gold on the HC side. Oh, and a Mortal Drama so I can break 100 million dmg on bombardment. |
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David_ESM: "Wait. So have you ever been cock bit by a goose?"
Kolat: "Yes" Cock biting update (8/12/10) Kolat: "Yes. More then once." |
Originally Posted By Credge:
The gems are an insane boost to damage and survivability. If you're also struggling below Torment 1 for more than a week I would highly suggest looking at what skills you are using. There are certain combinations that just don't do very well. There are some oddball combinations that work better than most standard builds. My barbarian uses weapon throw and ancient spear to amazing effect. Toss a few axes, toss a spear to drag them in, use overpower, and they're dead. If not, they will be if they attack me. My WD uses tons of spirit skills to build up his mana regeneration and then spams zombie bears. If they aren't dead from the everlasting dots, they will be when the zombie bears hit them. It's a new take on a traditional killing method AND it's better than the traditional one. View Quote Its not so much of an issue with Torment 1, I can wizard my way through that pretty well. Its just farming items for other characters thats kind of a pain right now. I've been lucky enough to get my Crusader Hammer build up enough to farm through most acts fairly well so I can get stuff for my barb (I do this with most of my characters so I can cover more ground if need be). But I've done better, more leg drops have helped a bit. |
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So how are you guys spending your paragon points?
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i sent in a request to the clan, same name as here.
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TEAM -[2A]-
-[2A]- Gaming Clan - Find us on Steam @ Black Rifle Clan |
Originally Posted By TheJeanyus:
So how are you guys spending your paragon points? View Quote Move speed (capped at 25, saves a primary slot on gear) Crit Damage (Crit hit maxes at 5 and is easy to hit 50+ on gear alone) Life on Hit (self explanatory) Life Regen (self explanatory) It's really build dependant on what stats to max next. Unless you're farming for class specific sets, there is no reason to farm T1+. All legs (minus class specific sets) drop at ilvl70 in normal. The ability to farm faster nets much more loot. A simple act bounty and rift is only about 15 mins solo. Because it's Normal, you can also throw on your old MF gear, which does help. |
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Haven't been on in a week, stuck in Detroit for another week with only a work laptop
I'm ready to be back already, dammit. |
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Originally Posted By Credge:
This isn't even my final form. <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/crimsonedge38/media/loldamage_zps55a8accc.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/crimsonedge38/loldamage_zps55a8accc.jpg</a> View Quote Nice damage but how long do you stay alive with so little toughness? |
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Originally Posted By setlab: Nice damage but how long do you stay alive with so little toughness? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By setlab: Originally Posted By Credge: This isn't even my final form. <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/crimsonedge38/media/loldamage_zps55a8accc.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/crimsonedge38/loldamage_zps55a8accc.jpg</a> Nice damage but how long do you stay alive with so little toughness? ETA: I have so much life on kill, life on hit, and life on fury spent that it doesn't matter. |
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I dont know about you guys, but games have been seeming kinda mediocre lately?
I mean the only really interesting thing to do is rifts, but the rewards seem craptastical.. COOL 8000 reusable parts and a shit ton of yellow items that are vendor trash. Maybe I am just getting burned out. |
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Originally Posted By WarWeapon762: I dont know about you guys, but games have been seeming kinda mediocre lately? I mean the only really interesting thing to do is rifts, but the rewards seem craptastical.. COOL 8000 reusable parts and a shit ton of yellow items that are vendor trash. Maybe I am just getting burned out. View Quote If you haven't, give crafting a try. Between the recipes, hellfire rings, gems, etc, there's a ton to do. Incidental looting is very fun, but striving towards a goal is even more fun when done along with it. |
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I was bored Saturday morning and broke down and bought the xpac. Been doing master difficulty just for the off chance at the imperial gems.
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The plane flew, admit you're wrong and get over it.
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Originally Posted By Enlightenme556:
Ohio just keeps finding new ways to completely fuck up a bowl of chili. |
I was playing a rift the other night in the Arcane Sanctuary of Act 5 and we ran into unicorns, flowers and teddy bears from Whimsyshire. You never know what a rift will spawn.
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"Freedom through Victory"
"Those who can ... do Those who can't ... become site staff" |
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So I think I may have found a bug that allows Kadala to drop Legendaries sequentially when she actually drops them.
I'm assuming there is a time window of when rares, blues and legs drop when gambling but the drops themselves are RNG. This may be a similar mechanic the game uses for Legendaries to drop in the world as well. The last couple of days I've been spam buying items from one category and everytime a legendary shows up I click BUY as fast as I can and I can usually get one or two more legendaries in this "buy window". I thought it might be a fluke, but another member tried it yesterday afternoon and the same thing happened to him and he was able to get two legs in a row. So far I've gotten 14 legendaries spam buying. I'm sure if someone used a mouse clicking script, they could net possibly 5 legs at a time. |
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Originally Posted By WarWeapon762:
So I think I may have found a bug that allows Kadala to drop Legendaries sequentially when she actually drops them. I'm assuming there is a time window of when rares, blues and legs drop when gambling but the drops themselves are RNG. This may be a similar mechanic the game uses for Legendaries to drop in the world as well. The last couple of days I've been spam buying items from one category and everytime a legendary shows up I click BUY as fast as I can and I can usually get one or two more legendaries in this "buy window". I thought it might be a fluke, but another member tried it yesterday afternoon and the same thing happened to him and he was able to get two legs in a row. So far I've gotten 14 legendaries spam buying. I'm sure if someone used a mouse clicking script, they could net possibly 5 legs at a time. View Quote Sounds almost like they have the seed for the RNG tied to a clock. Click fast enough and you get the same seed if they do not have the seed using small enough time units. (seconds instead of milliseconds). If that is the case gambling legs could actually be predicted. |
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Originally Posted By grumpalicious:
Sounds almost like they have the seed for the RNG tied to a clock. Click fast enough and you get the same seed if they do not have the seed using small enough time units. (seconds instead of milliseconds). If that is the case gambling legs could actually be predicted. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By grumpalicious:
Originally Posted By WarWeapon762:
So I think I may have found a bug that allows Kadala to drop Legendaries sequentially when she actually drops them. I'm assuming there is a time window of when rares, blues and legs drop when gambling but the drops themselves are RNG. This may be a similar mechanic the game uses for Legendaries to drop in the world as well. The last couple of days I've been spam buying items from one category and everytime a legendary shows up I click BUY as fast as I can and I can usually get one or two more legendaries in this "buy window". I thought it might be a fluke, but another member tried it yesterday afternoon and the same thing happened to him and he was able to get two legs in a row. So far I've gotten 14 legendaries spam buying. I'm sure if someone used a mouse clicking script, they could net possibly 5 legs at a time. Sounds almost like they have the seed for the RNG tied to a clock. Click fast enough and you get the same seed if they do not have the seed using small enough time units. (seconds instead of milliseconds). If that is the case gambling legs could actually be predicted. Having spent 13,000 shards and noticing this myself early on, I can pretty much say its not the way it works. |
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So, my Templar has about 300,000 damage and some 4,000,000 toughness. He has pretty good gear, but nothing over the top.
My Scoundrel has 120,000 damage and 98,000 toughness. He has better gear. He has the unlock all skills item and does way less damage than my Templar. What gives?
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Anyone have advice for a Demon Hunter struggling in Torment 1 and thus having a hard time finding gear? I have been using a Cluster Arrow build (Entangling Shot, CA, Vengeance, Vault, Marked for Death, Companion), but I am not sure I have good enough gear for it. It's fine for small packs that I can burst down, but for large packs and champions/elites I seem to struggle to do enough sustained damage.
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What is your damage and toughness?
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Originally Posted By TheJeanyus: Somewhere around 375k dmg, 4.4 mil toughness, 16k healing, +20% fire dmg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheJeanyus: Originally Posted By Credge: What is your damage and toughness? Somewhere around 375k dmg, 4.4 mil toughness, 16k healing, +20% fire dmg Are you online right now? That damage is a little low. T1 doesn't become easily doable until you hit about 450-500k damage. That toughness is fine, though. You can sacrifice the healing for more damage if you're able to transmute them out. ETA: Nvm, I guess BNet is down? |
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Nah, I'm at work right now. Will be online later tonight. I feel like the only upgrades I've gotten lately came from Torment. Never seem to get decent drops in the lower difficulties though I can burn through things MUCH faster.
EDIT: I also swapped Sharpshooter out for something else. With Sharpshooter, I'm close to 800k dmg when I'm in town (due to 100% crit). |
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If you're able to, run rifts with a group. You'll get blood shards. You can burn through a bunch of a specific item with just a few runs. Very high chance of getting an upgrade or two that way.
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I ran a T1 rift with a buddy of mine last night, but his gear sucks too. He died 3 times in the rift. Might see if anyone in the ARFCOM clan is on tonight...provided the weather doesn't get bad here again tonight (18 tornadoes in AL last night).
I also did the bounties in Act 1 on T1 last night, and the bounties were a lot easier than the rift. I only get to play for an hour or two at a time when I do get to play. Have a 3 month old son to tend to. He hasn't quite developed the motor skills to play Diablo, but we're working on it... |
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I'm doing about 900K+ DPS and 18 million toughness on my Crusader right now.
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For I am the eschaton upon your liar Gods empire
It is better to Reign in Hell than Serve in Heaven----Milton The darkness under a whore's bed sheets |
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Originally Posted By PattyOSullivan:
Is battle.net down? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By PattyOSullivan:
Originally Posted By RabidMonkeyPox:
I'm doing about 900K+ DPS and 18 million toughness on my Crusader right now. I dunno. Been watching River Monsters on amazon and buying more fishing lures. Think I spent about $300 in the past 2 weeks in fishing lures |
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For I am the eschaton upon your liar Gods empire
It is better to Reign in Hell than Serve in Heaven----Milton The darkness under a whore's bed sheets |
Originally Posted By PattyOSullivan:
Is battle.net down? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By PattyOSullivan:
Originally Posted By RabidMonkeyPox:
I'm doing about 900K+ DPS and 18 million toughness on my Crusader right now. Yup it is, waiting for it to come up so we can raid in WoW, no hearthstone or D3 to kill the time otherwise. |
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The plane flew, admit you're wrong and get over it.
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I'm on just fine. Unsure of what the time difference is between posts.
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Originally Posted By Credge:
T1 doesn't become easily doable until you hit about 450-500k damage View Quote I have not found this to be the case at all. I've done just fine in T1 with ~300-350kdps (I have solo killed everything up to and including Malthael on T1 in that damage range), and the numbers you have listed have done well enough in T2. Unless, of course, by "easily doable" you mean roll your face on the keyboard while drooling ETA: I have sent a request to join the ARFCOM clan, if anybody can go ahead and approve that. |
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"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it." - Thomas Paine
"It had to do with it being so large and her being so small she almost couldnt get on it right and be comfortable" - CavVet |
Originally Posted By Demordrah: I have not found this to be the case at all. I've done just fine in T1 with ~300-350kdps (I have solo killed everything up to and including Malthael on T1 in that damage range), and the numbers you have listed have done well enough in T2. Unless, of course, by "easily doable" you mean roll your face on the keyboard while drooling ETA: I have sent a request to join the ARFCOM clan, if anybody can go ahead and approve that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Demordrah: Originally Posted By Credge: T1 doesn't become easily doable until you hit about 450-500k damage I have not found this to be the case at all. I've done just fine in T1 with ~300-350kdps (I have solo killed everything up to and including Malthael on T1 in that damage range), and the numbers you have listed have done well enough in T2. Unless, of course, by "easily doable" you mean roll your face on the keyboard while drooling ETA: I have sent a request to join the ARFCOM clan, if anybody can go ahead and approve that. It depends on the class. My Witch Doctor steamrolls T1 and T2 with 600k damage. My Barbarian struggles through T2 with 1m damage. |
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Since I'm pooping at work I figured I'd go in to a little more detail. The only basic skill the barbarian has that's any good is frenzy because it boosts total damage. Cleave sucks against a single target and why would I use an aoe attack when I have amazing aoe to begin with from ny mana spenders. And, because I have no pets or decent and reliable damage mitigating skills, I have to be pure burst damage unless I have gear out the wazoo.
I wouldn't dare touch t3 with my 1m damage, 600k toughness barb. But my lower stat wd? Oh yes
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Originally Posted By Credge:
Since I'm pooping at work I figured I'd go in to a little more detail. The only basic skill the barbarian has that's any good is frenzy because it boosts total damage. Cleave sucks against a single target and why would I use an aoe attack when I have amazing aoe to begin with from ny mana spenders. And, because I have no pets or decent and reliable damage mitigating skills, I have to be pure burst damage unless I have gear out the wazoo. I wouldn't dare touch t3 with my 1m damage, 600k toughness barb. But my lower stat wd? Oh yes View Quote 600k toughness, you somehow get the Glass Cannon skill from the wizard? |
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The plane flew, admit you're wrong and get over it.
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Originally Posted By Jakezor: 600k toughness, you somehow get the Glass Cannon skill from the wizard? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Jakezor: Originally Posted By Credge: Since I'm pooping at work I figured I'd go in to a little more detail. The only basic skill the barbarian has that's any good is frenzy because it boosts total damage. Cleave sucks against a single target and why would I use an aoe attack when I have amazing aoe to begin with from ny mana spenders. And, because I have no pets or decent and reliable damage mitigating skills, I have to be pure burst damage unless I have gear out the wazoo. I wouldn't dare touch t3 with my 1m damage, 600k toughness barb. But my lower stat wd? Oh yes 600k toughness, you somehow get the Glass Cannon skill from the wizard? No, it's that I put emphasis on damage over survivability, otherwise it takes forever to kill things. Bosses especially. It shouldn't be the case that my undergeared WD does more damage and survives better than my Barbarian. |
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Some information I found very important for almost all of my characters.
Attack speed is not calculated in the damage that any skills do. It will increase your damage stat but it does not increase the damage that the skill will do. Further, anything that states it does damage over a period does not "tick" faster. Pets do not attack faster with attack speed nor do they hit harder with more attack speed. If you are using a character that is all about burst damage, pets, or dots, attack speed may be a completely pointless stat. Let me restate this another way. Any damage you do on any skill does not take attack speed in to consideration in the damage it does. It only decreases the time in between attacks. Another way to look at it is that the damage stat you see on your paper doll is not representative of the actual damage your skills will do. It's a bad estimate of how much damage you do per second. In fact, it's much more inaccurate than the toughness stat. It does not consider cooldowns, % damage to a type of ability, or if you are using skills that are impacted by attack speed or not. This is why my WD, who appears undergeared, out performs my better geared barbarian.
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It's for that very reason that a Mask of Jeram (especially if you have previously obtained one at a lower level) is very difficult to replace with an upgrade ... unless you replace it with a higher lvl Mask of Jeram (or a mask that has synergy with set pieces, such as the Carnevil mask with the 4pc Zunimassa set bonus). I got one at lvl 60 that gave me an 89% increase to the damage my pets were doing.
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"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it." - Thomas Paine
"It had to do with it being so large and her being so small she almost couldnt get on it right and be comfortable" - CavVet |
It made me rethink my witch doctor from the ground up as well as ny wizard when he uses fire. I'm thinking slow attacking two handers will out perform one handers with a focus when it comes to dots.
I'm curious if disintegrate and Ray of frost are considered dot or not. It also made me respend my paragon points.
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Ray of Frost and Disintegrate are classified as continuous damage over time spells. The tick rate on such spells is ridiculously high (I saw it quoted from Wyatt Cheng, D3 Sr. Tech Designer, to be somewhere in the ballpark of 60 times per second). In regards to increased attack speed, continuous DoT spells are much more resource efficient when using slow 2H weapons vs a 1H/OH combination. You can channel them for longer periods of time before blowing through your resource pool.
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"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it." - Thomas Paine
"It had to do with it being so large and her being so small she almost couldnt get on it right and be comfortable" - CavVet |
Originally Posted By Credge:
Some information I found very important for almost all of my characters. Attack speed is not calculated in the damage that any skills do. It will increase your damage stat but it does not increase the damage that the skill will do. Further, anything that states it does damage over a period does not "tick" faster. Pets do not attack faster with attack speed nor do they hit harder with more attack speed. If you are using a character that is all about burst damage, pets, or dots, attack speed may be a completely pointless stat. Let me restate this another way. Any damage you do on any skill does not take attack speed in to consideration in the damage it does. It only decreases the time in between attacks. Another way to look at it is that the damage stat you see on your paper doll is not representative of the actual damage your skills will do. It's a bad estimate of how much damage you do per second. In fact, it's much more inaccurate than the toughness stat. It does not consider cooldowns, % damage to a type of ability, or if you are using skills that are impacted by attack speed or not. This is why my WD, who appears undergeared, out performs my better geared barbarian. View Quote Where did that come from? It would be nice if there was a site that explained all this or a DPS addon for D3. |
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Originally Posted By setlab:
Where did you here that about attack speed? If that's right my tasker and theo gloves that give my pets 45% attack speed do nothing? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By setlab:
Originally Posted By Credge:
Some information I found very important for almost all of my characters. Attack speed is not calculated in the damage that any skills do. It will increase your damage stat but it does not increase the damage that the skill will do. Further, anything that states it does damage over a period does not "tick" faster. Pets do not attack faster with attack speed nor do they hit harder with more attack speed. If you are using a character that is all about burst damage, pets, or dots, attack speed may be a completely pointless stat. Let me restate this another way. Any damage you do on any skill does not take attack speed in to consideration in the damage it does. It only decreases the time in between attacks. Another way to look at it is that the damage stat you see on your paper doll is not representative of the actual damage your skills will do. It's a bad estimate of how much damage you do per second. In fact, it's much more inaccurate than the toughness stat. It does not consider cooldowns, % damage to a type of ability, or if you are using skills that are impacted by attack speed or not. This is why my WD, who appears undergeared, out performs my better geared barbarian. Where did you here that about attack speed? If that's right my tasker and theo gloves that give my pets 45% attack speed do nothing? He's saying that +AS for your character does nothing for your pets. I don't know about other classes, but for demon hunters attack speed is a very, very low priority. If you're stutter-stepping/kiting to stay alive, you aren't going to be sitting still to do dmg for a sustained period of time, so you're better off with fire dmg, crit chance, crit dmg, or dmg vs elites. |
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Originally Posted By TheJeanyus:
He's saying that +AS for your character does nothing for your pets. I don't know about other classes, but for demon hunters attack speed is a very, very low priority. If you're stutter-stepping/kiting to stay alive, you aren't going to be sitting still to do dmg for a sustained period of time, so you're better off with fire dmg, crit chance, crit dmg, or dmg vs elites. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheJeanyus:
Originally Posted By setlab:
Originally Posted By Credge:
Some information I found very important for almost all of my characters. Attack speed is not calculated in the damage that any skills do. It will increase your damage stat but it does not increase the damage that the skill will do. Further, anything that states it does damage over a period does not "tick" faster. Pets do not attack faster with attack speed nor do they hit harder with more attack speed. If you are using a character that is all about burst damage, pets, or dots, attack speed may be a completely pointless stat. Let me restate this another way. Any damage you do on any skill does not take attack speed in to consideration in the damage it does. It only decreases the time in between attacks. Another way to look at it is that the damage stat you see on your paper doll is not representative of the actual damage your skills will do. It's a bad estimate of how much damage you do per second. In fact, it's much more inaccurate than the toughness stat. It does not consider cooldowns, % damage to a type of ability, or if you are using skills that are impacted by attack speed or not. This is why my WD, who appears undergeared, out performs my better geared barbarian. Where did you here that about attack speed? If that's right my tasker and theo gloves that give my pets 45% attack speed do nothing? He's saying that +AS for your character does nothing for your pets. I don't know about other classes, but for demon hunters attack speed is a very, very low priority. If you're stutter-stepping/kiting to stay alive, you aren't going to be sitting still to do dmg for a sustained period of time, so you're better off with fire dmg, crit chance, crit dmg, or dmg vs elites. Ya I had to re-read that. |
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Yeah, I quoted you before your edit. As for as DPS add-on, there are some spreadsheets out there, but I haven't used one. My gear sucks so bad that it isn't hard to figure out which items are upgrades and which are trash.
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For DH attack speed is indeed a low priority stat. I favor crit chance, crit damage and raw dex. In-game my white sheet damage is just over 1 mil, however in the loading screen I'm at 860k since it doesn't take into account for the Marauder set piece bonuses.
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Patch notes. Most is formatted well. Taken from http://www.diablofans.com/
Barbarian
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Monk
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