Originally Posted By FMD: For the record, the drill that the OP has labeled "Harv's Drill" is actually called ElDiablo / The Devil's Drill or simply The Eighteen Drill* as taught to Harv (and BulletcatchR, photoman, and me) by Greg "Sully" Sullivan of The Defensive Edge.

Wait, does he teach Sistema too? Or am I thinking of a different Sully/Defensive Edge?

Originally Posted By Aimless: I'm rusty as hell from many months without shooting and took something like 24 seconds-course doing the reload from a coat pocket instead of a harness did not speed things up.

At least you found out a coat pocket doesn't double very well as a mag pouch. That's a great thing about training, finding out what doesn't work before it's too late.

Originally Posted By Aimless: we tried this today, however we shot standing kneeling then reload and standing offside since going prone would have resulted in our disappearing out of sight in a puff of snow.

C'mon, the NY guys can't be that big of wimps. The WI crew has to train in the snow 9 months out of the year.

Tips:

If your 6004 gets clogged with snow, reholstering a warm weapon turns that snow to ice, rendering your pistol thoroughly stuck.

You can shoot the snow/ice plug out of the end of your Phantom FH.

If one's dressed appropriately, playing in the snow with guns is fun.

Some day i'll be as good as Harv is

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gotta try those.

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Now I can't wait to go to my cabin...I'm looking at building myself a 'private' range ...

Originally Posted By glenn_r: tag as a reminder to myself to get out there and go through this (and other) drills again soon.

QFT (and to bump this so my training partners will force me to come with).

Back up there before archive oblivion.

We host a class with Bruce Gray every spring here in the People's Republic of Massachusetts, and this time we added on a Carbine class with Jerry Jones. Jerry taught this drill, calling it the 18 drill. I believe he said it was originally developed by a SEAL in CA, but I may not be remembering that correctly. I forgot which class Jerry took where he was shown it, too.

Jerry had us start from a slung rifle, and I was reloading from a Blackhawk thigh pouch. We also loaded only six in each mag, so we ran to bolt lock before each reload. The first time I shot it, I was in the 17's, but I fumbled with the mag pouch. When Jerry told me my time, I told him I thought my mag fumble f***ed me. He laughed and said "Me too!" The second time was a 14.8. All A's on an IPSC target.

Just to test the waters, we only had a one day carbine class, which is difficult. We're talking now to see if we want to do a 2 or 3 day class this spring.

One would think that these up and coming whippersnappers could beat out us older guys, but not quite yet!

Actually, we did bilateral transfer from kneeling with the pistol version of the harv drill rather than going prone. I include 2 mag changes with the pistol version. The range was also closer for pistol.

Doing the whole drill support side is also highly recommended, including doing all reloads support side. All sorts of variations you can toss in to make it interesting.