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Posted: 2/11/2015 2:46:53 PM EDT
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A good place to start while waiting on specific replies... http://compete.nra.org/official-nra-rule-books.aspx
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Posted: 2/11/2015 2:55:24 PM EDT
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Absolutely not for service rifle. You could compete in match rifle with irons but you'll be going up against space guns.
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Posted: 2/11/2015 3:20:47 PM EDT
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A good place to start while waiting on specific replies... http://compete.nra.org/official-nra-rule-books.aspx Thanks, I've checked the rule book and it doesn't describe exactly what a service rifle is, just says it is M-16 style and says what the rules are. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 3:24:41 PM EDT
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This might be the ref http://competitions.nra.org/documents/pdf/compete/RuleBooks/HPR/hpr-book.pdf section 3.1.
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Posted: 2/11/2015 3:25:35 PM EDT
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Absolutely not for service rifle. You could compete in match rifle with irons but you'll be going up against space guns. So that pretty much means my MK12 is a no go for competing? Would a BCM M4 Carbine Mod2 be a candidate for Service rifle? |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 3:26:45 PM EDT
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A good place to start while waiting on specific replies... http://compete.nra.org/official-nra-rule-books.aspx Thanks, I've checked the rule book and it doesn't describe exactly what a service rifle is, just says it is M-16 style and says what the rules are. No external modifications means it must look exactly like this: 
I believe you have the option of A2 or A1 buttstock, standard handguards shown or old school triangular, and bare muzzle vs A2 birdcage. I think those are your only external modification options. I may have missed something, but if I did, it'll be minor whereas a MK12 is not even close. I shoot an M14 anyways. 
Higher end service rifles will have a free float tube under the handguard, but it will LOOK exactly the same as pictured. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 3:31:15 PM EDT
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This might be the ref http://competitions.nra.org/documents/pdf/compete/RuleBooks/HPR/hpr-book.pdf section 3.1. Yup that's what I read too, it says a lot of things must be "standard" but I'm asking what is standard? For the MK12 Mod0, it is in standard configuration and as issued to special forces. Does that make it "standard"? Or is it referring to your typical M16 as issued to a Marine with the A2 stock and 20" barrel with no rails? I'm trying to translate what it says into something useable for determining what is and isn't a service rifle when it comes to AR15 type rifles |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 3:32:52 PM EDT
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Gotcha, ok thanks
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Posted: 2/11/2015 3:36:16 PM EDT
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See if there are any DMR type matches in your area. Perfect for your rifle and they can be quite fun. I've shot both and while I prefer high power, DMR matches have their appeal too. Also more realistic stages and targets. The world is not made of black circles that are perfectly sized for a given distance.
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Posted: 2/11/2015 3:37:58 PM EDT
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Ah, yes, must mean mil-spec everything, except for where provided for...
I'm sure the rules are clearer than that to anyone that's been involved, but in my experience reference models of your choice of service rifle were all ok, they call out just the mods that are go/no-go in the rules. For example, the trigger-pull, not less than 4.5 lbs in the hpr class. Those pics above are a good sample. When derived am guessing these comp classes were meant to inspire civilian marksmanship training. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 3:57:12 PM EDT
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Problem: my rifle is too tactical. Solution: Any Optics / Tactical Rifle. Sounds like you have a rig that can run in High Power.
3.3.2 NRA Any Sight Match Rifle/Tactical Rifle—
Same as NRA Match Rifle Rule 3.3 except there is no restriction as to sights. The following restrictions will apply: (a) No person firing and any sight rifle under 3.3.2 will be allowed to compete with any other group of shooters who are also firing. A competitor using an any sight rifle under Rule 3.3.2 will only be eligible for awards in their own division. (b) Bipods may be attached but not utilized. Ammunition will be restricted to no larger than .35 caliber. (c) Competitors may use a service rifle equipped with optic sights to compete under this rule. Competitors using service rifles described in Rules 3.1(c) and 3.1(d) may remove the carry handle to allow mounting of the optic sight. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:20:42 PM EDT
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Thanks for your help guys
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:32:27 PM EDT
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Absolutely not for service rifle. You could compete in match rifle with irons but you'll be going up against space guns. So that pretty much means my MK12 is a no go for competing? Would a BCM M4 Carbine Mod2 be a candidate for Service rifle? As already mentioned you would have to compete in the "match rifle" class which includes bolt actions and space rifles. If you run a scope that will push you into "optics" classification making you ineligible for any awards outside of the "optics" designation. No score are recorded by the NRA if you shoot optics. You could get started and have fun using your rifle. It certainly would be able to compete as far as accuracy is concerned. Use match grade ammo or you'll be at a disadvantage. The National Championships recognize "high Police shooter" and if enough fellow officers compete at a smaller event they can get acknowledged as well. They do not have specific high power tournaments for law enforcement only. Some training classes are police specific. CMP rules are more strict and limit any modifications to the rifle that make it look different from "as issued". Free float quad rails are now legitimate provided the sling is attached at the furthest point forward. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 8:37:43 PM EDT
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You can get your feet wet with your current rifle whether you choose to shoot a scope or irons, your scores won't count but when you're learning about the discipline that doesn't even matter.
If you want to shoot an AR15 in service rifle class it needs to have a 20 inch barrel, 4.5 lb min trigger, with either exact A2 external configuration or A4 (same thing with detachable carry handle sight installed). It is now also legal to use that same rifle with a quad rail fore end like a Geiselle MK7. Anything outside of that of that basic external spec falls into NRA Match Rifle category. A match rifle that uses a scope is an "Optics/tactical class" Match rifle. Match rifles can have a wide variety of features, barrel lengths, calibers, sight variations and adjustable stocks. They are also iron sighted only rifles with the exception that you can compete in the "Optics" category that currently does not recognize scores for classification purposes. All participants, regardless of rifle type are firing the same course of fire. It is 200 yards standing (no sling or artificial rest) 200 yards rapid fire sitting with sling (no rests or bids) 300 yards rapid fire prone, sling supported (no rests or bi pods) and 600 yards slow fire prone, also fired with sling support but not rest or bi pods. |
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Posted: 2/12/2015 2:10:59 AM EDT
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I agree with hipwr223, just jump in with what you have the first time.
Get some decent ammo and work up some zeros for 200, 300, and 600 ahead of time if at all possible. If not, just make sure you have a good 100 yard zero and someone will help you come up for the rest. You will need a sling and glove. A coat is nice to have and without one you will get beat up, but you can decide after a match or two if you are going to stick it out. If you have a decent spotting scope and stand, I would bring that too. A shooting mat helps keep you off the dirt in sitting and prone, but almost anything would work including a carpet scrap. Two good 20 round magazines and a BobSled will complete the minimum kit. The two mags are required, the sled is good for the single feed slow fire stuff such as the 200 standing and 600 prone, for example. Try someone's hardback coat and dry fire at 200, you will see why you need one later. Good luck, I hope you turn on and jump in! |
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Posted: 2/17/2015 1:19:39 AM EDT
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The Police and Fire Championships have been held at Camp Pendleton.
Here is a link to the event. http://www.smgunclub.org/schedule/police-and-fire-championships/ |
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Posted: 2/17/2015 3:59:13 PM EDT
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I am almost certain that scores shot while using optics are recorded, AND can and will be used towards classification. the old rule was that they didn't count for classification purposes, (but always were recorded, I really don't know where that came from?) But the rule was changes in 2012 so that the optics scores would count toward classification.
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Posted: 2/17/2015 10:18:44 PM EDT
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Pretty sure your upper would run afoul of rule 3.16.1. That said many clubs would likely allow you to shoot anyway, but don't be insulted if your fellow competitors ask that you be moved down the firing line a bit.
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