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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:43:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DaveM4P99]
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Yeah their justifications for all the sensitive locations bans are tenuous at best.
Still no carry where alcohol is served, or parks...which sucks...but their analysis is so flawed it's gotta be overturned. No carry in places that serve alcohol because those places are crowded and *likely* to have intoxicated people? Please. Fuck.off. No carry in parks because of children and they are sometimes crowded? Fuck off. Fuck you 2nd circus for trying so hard to side with tyrrany. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:45:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaveM4P99: Yeah their justifications for all the sensitive locations bans are tenuous at best. Still no carry where alcohol is served, or parks...which sucks...but their analysis is so flawed it's gotta be overturned. No carry in places that serve alcohol because those places are crowded and *likely* to have intoxicated people? Please. Fuck.off. No carry in parks because of children and they are sometimes crowded? Fuck off. Fuck you 2nd circus for trying so hard to side with tyrrany. We eat the elephant one bite at a time. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:46:59 PM EDT
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Also based on some of this, SAFE is doomed even according to the 2nd circuit. Weapons in common use are constitutional to own and carry.
Only a matter of time till a district court puts an injunction on SAFE and mag limits. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:47:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: xd341]
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Lest we should be ungrateful.
Thank you @nolocontendere The fight is far from over but this is better than expected honestly and a step in the right direction. My GOA membership well spent. You too @HiramRanger, keep up the fight, keep us motivated. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:48:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: Lest we should be ungrateful. Thank you @nolocontendere The fight is far from over but this is better than expected honestly and a step in the right direction. My GOA membership well spent. A Fucking Men! |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:54:09 PM EDT
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I just saw this the other day. Nolo has a Youtube channel. Hopefully he does something on this decision.
Nolo I don't know if it's a big deal but he'd probably like some likes and subscriptions. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:54:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DaveM4P99]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger: We eat the elephant one bite at a time. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger: Originally Posted By DaveM4P99: Yeah their justifications for all the sensitive locations bans are tenuous at best. Still no carry where alcohol is served, or parks...which sucks...but their analysis is so flawed it's gotta be overturned. No carry in places that serve alcohol because those places are crowded and *likely* to have intoxicated people? Please. Fuck.off. No carry in parks because of children and they are sometimes crowded? Fuck off. Fuck you 2nd circus for trying so hard to side with tyrrany. We eat the elephant one bite at a time. Well, it's more akin to the elephant stomping us into the ground in one fell swoop...then we slowly eat the elephant's hoof one bite at a time with the 2 teeth we have left in our mouths.  But yeah...we will prevail! |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:56:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:59:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tahawus:
Nice spin you vile bitch. The core component was the blanket private property carry ban. You lost...and will continue to lose. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 2:01:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tahawus:
If she won she'd have a big presser. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 2:08:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HiramRanger]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: The fact that she isn't taking a huge victory lap means she knows she lost the big issue. Carry in public is practically possible again. If she won she'd have a big presser. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By Tahawus:
If she won she'd have a big presser. I wonder if she realized the law has been ignored by everyone... criminals never followed it, permit holders said "fuck you, I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6," most cops I know think it was BS and would turn a blind eye to it if at all possible, and prosecutors have not brought charges - although there have surely been arrests of people who were carrying a gun in violation of this unconstitutional law. Occam's Razor tells us the entire state has pretty much been saying fuck off to her lowliness for the past year plus. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 2:11:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger: I wonder if she realized the law has been ignored by everyone... criminals never followed it, permit holders said "fuck you, I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6," most cops I know think it was BS and would turn a blind eye to it if at all possible, and prosecutors have not brought charges - although there have surely been arrests of people who were carrying a gun in violation of this unconstitutional law. Occam's Razor tells us the entire state has pretty much been saying fuck off to her lowliness for the past year plus. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 2:17:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: I've certainly seen people carrying, but I also have sensed a chilling effect on the right at the same time. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By HiramRanger: I wonder if she realized the law has been ignored by everyone... criminals never followed it, permit holders said "fuck you, I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6," most cops I know think it was BS and would turn a blind eye to it if at all possible, and prosecutors have not brought charges - although there have surely been arrests of people who were carrying a gun in violation of this unconstitutional law. Occam's Razor tells us the entire state has pretty much been saying fuck off to her lowliness for the past year plus. Absolutely, but I've also had friends joke, "I'm up to nine felonies today!" Referencing where they had gone that was not posted "carry allowed." I remember when it first went into effect and it was like the wind was knocked out of everybody. People seem far less concerned these days, likely because there haven't been mass arrests, court cases across the country are going our way, and society gets progressively ore violent to the point I know people who didn't carry before the ban and have done so subsequently even though prohibited. This ruling, while not far enough, clearly says the government has gone too far. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 2:23:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXSUNY: This is good news and a step forward. If I read this correctly, I can now carry going to a store or supermarket? That's great. Houses of worship are ambiguous as it only pertains to the plantiffs? The other sensitive locales still stand. Parks, libraries, these need to go. Maybe I won't be so pessimistic. Schools would be a hard one to free up. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 2:43:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger: A Fucking Men! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger: Originally Posted By xd341: Lest we should be ungrateful. Thank you @nolocontendere The fight is far from over but this is better than expected honestly and a step in the right direction. My GOA membership well spent. A Fucking Men! Ditto Ditto Ditto Thanks NOLO!!!! |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 2:47:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger: I wonder if she realized the law has been ignored by everyone... criminals never followed it, permit holders said "fuck you, I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6," most cops I know think it was BS and would turn a blind eye to it if at all possible, and prosecutors have not brought charges - although there have surely been arrests of people who were carrying a gun in violation of this unconstitutional law. Occam's Razor tells us the entire state has pretty much been saying fuck off to her lowliness for the past year plus. Yup. And I even bought a new, slimmer more concealable handgun last fall because Fuck You Hochul. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 2:49:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger: I wonder if she realized the law has been ignored by everyone... criminals never followed it, permit holders said "fuck you, I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6," most cops I know think it was BS and would turn a blind eye to it if at all possible, and prosecutors have not brought charges - although there have surely been arrests of people who were carrying a gun in violation of this unconstitutional law. Occam's Razor tells us the entire state has pretty much been saying fuck off to her lowliness for the past year plus. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger: Originally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By Tahawus:
If she won she'd have a big presser. I wonder if she realized the law has been ignored by everyone... criminals never followed it, permit holders said "fuck you, I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6," most cops I know think it was BS and would turn a blind eye to it if at all possible, and prosecutors have not brought charges - although there have surely been arrests of people who were carrying a gun in violation of this unconstitutional law. Occam's Razor tells us the entire state has pretty much been saying fuck off to her lowliness for the past year plus. Our DA had a meeting with us and flat out said: “I will not entertain any CCIA charges in my office”. So far he had upheld that…..but then again the Deputies I work with abhorred the law and refused to enforce it regardless. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 3:10:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger: I haven't had a chance to read it yet, but this is a damned sight better than what I expected us to get. Nolo has a lot of work ahead of him, and if you are not yet a member of Gun Owners of America I strongly urge you to join. They took this case at our request and have been amazing and are spending a metric shit ton of money on this critically important case! Let's show them we appreciate it and have their backs just like they have ours! |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 3:16:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nyrifle: In for a c note Ditto. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 3:37:13 PM EDT
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Great news.
Off to donate to GOA |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 3:37:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nyrifle: In for a c note Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nyrifle: Originally Posted By HiramRanger: I haven't had a chance to read it yet, but this is a damned sight better than what I expected us to get. Nolo has a lot of work ahead of him, and if you are not yet a member of Gun Owners of America I strongly urge you to join. They took this case at our request and have been amazing and are spending a metric shit ton of money on this critically important case! Let's show them we appreciate it and have their backs just like they have ours! I'm $50 every month. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 3:39:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tahawus: Yup. And I even bought a new, slimmer more concealable handgun last fall because Fuck You Hochul. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tahawus: Originally Posted By HiramRanger: I wonder if she realized the law has been ignored by everyone... criminals never followed it, permit holders said "fuck you, I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6," most cops I know think it was BS and would turn a blind eye to it if at all possible, and prosecutors have not brought charges - although there have surely been arrests of people who were carrying a gun in violation of this unconstitutional law. Occam's Razor tells us the entire state has pretty much been saying fuck off to her lowliness for the past year plus. Yup. And I even bought a new, slimmer more concealable handgun last fall because Fuck You Hochul. Sales of Ruger LCP Max .380s have gone through the roof. I recommended it to about 10 people and 8 purchased it and its always on them. I'm going with I'm not the first one to preach to the converted. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 3:54:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger: Sales of Ruger LCP Max .380s have gone through the roof. I recommended it to about 10 people and 8 purchased it and its always on them. I'm going with I'm not the first one to preach to the converted. I have been contemplating a Sig 365 for just that reason. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 3:59:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: P400]
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I wonder if the Tabernacle Family Church might be open to a statewide online membership drive.
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Posted: 12/8/2023 4:19:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bushman_269: I have been contemplating a Sig 365 for just that reason. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bushman_269: Originally Posted By HiramRanger: Sales of Ruger LCP Max .380s have gone through the roof. I recommended it to about 10 people and 8 purchased it and its always on them. I'm going with I'm not the first one to preach to the converted. I have been contemplating a Sig 365 for just that reason. That was my carry gun before this nonsense, still in the rotation... but the LCP Max can't be beat for deep concealment and capacity. The front large dot night sight is another plus. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 4:21:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By P400: I wonder if the Tabernacle Family Church might be open to a statewide online membership drive. Is allowing one church to have special freedoms and disparate treatment under the law not in some way an endorsement or even establishment. Tortured logic perhaps, but more solid than anything liberals argue. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 5:05:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger: Is allowing one church to have special freedoms and disparate treatment under the law not in some way an endorsement or even establishment. Tortured logic perhaps, but more solid than anything liberals argue. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 5:30:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Castillo]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bushman_269: I have been contemplating a Sig 365 for just that reason. Awesome gun. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 5:39:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DaveM4P99]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Castillo: Awesome gun. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Castillo: Originally Posted By Bushman_269: I have been contemplating a Sig 365 for just that reason. Awesome gun. P365 X is the way. With a bladetech holster. My daily carry. And my carry gun tonight when I go out, just to celebrate the win. Fuck you Hochul!    
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Posted: 12/8/2023 7:40:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tahawus:
Didn't a politician in CA almost throw a case by claiming one of their laws was "first in the nation"? Nothing says text, history, and tradition like claiming your new law is "nation-leading". |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 8:59:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: P400]
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Gun rights group applauds after federal appeals court deals blow to NY concealed carry law
"Gun rights activists cheered Friday after a federal appeals court struck down parts of New York's expansive concealed carry law. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit blocked three provisions of New York's "Concealed Carry Improvement Act" (CCIA), a law Democrats passed last year in response to a Supreme Court ruling that declared the state's previous concealed carry permitting requirements unconstitutional. In doing so, the appeals court allowed other parts of the law to go into effect. In a 261-page ruling, the three-judge panel struck down a requirement that gun owners disclose their social media accounts for review when applying for a concealed carry permit. The court also blocked restrictions on carrying firearms on private property that is accessible to the public, as well as a restriction on concealed carry in houses of worship. However, controversial parts of the law remain intact, including a requirement that applicants demonstrate good moral character and disclose household and family members on a permit application. "Governor [Kathy] Hochul and her cabal in Albany never seem to get the message, and in turn, GOA is proud to have played a major role in rebuking her unconstitutional law," Gun Owners of America (GOA) Senior Vice President Erich Pratt said in a statement. "Nevertheless, this was not a total victory, and we will continue the fight until this entire law is sent to the bowels of history where it belongs," Pratt added. Full story at link above. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 9:19:32 PM EDT
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So what's the current status of carrying in a posted 'no guns' private establishment?
CCIA felony or the old leave or trespass rule. I predict a big push to get every business to post. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 9:31:36 PM EDT
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There seems to be a lot of conflict within the media on how they should report this. I'm not posting the garbage articles that repeat Hochul's spin, but there are several. The media bias is on full display today.
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Posted: 12/9/2023 1:43:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kzin: So what's the current status of carrying in a posted 'no guns' private establishment? CCIA felony or the old leave or trespass rule. I predict a big push to get every business to post. Let them post, we’ll start a 2A boycott website and give them all the attention they don’t want but deserve. Bud Light those mother fuckers! |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 1:45:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaveM4P99: P365 X is the way. With a bladetech holster. My daily carry. And my carry gun tonight when I go out, just to celebrate the win. Fuck you Hochul! https://i.imgur.com/9i2N8aM.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/i0XWmGF.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/PSc5No0.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/TtlAaaE.jpeg Very nice. Except for the unreliable dust collector you put on there. |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 8:38:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: DaveM4P99]
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So hopefully Suddaby and Sinatra can expedite the full trials right?
And they don't have to agree with anything the 2nd circuit said...the 2nd just vacated the injunctions on some of the laws Suddaby and Sinatra didn't agree with. Suddaby and Sinatra can put injunctions back on whatever they want again, after the trial. Yes then the 2nd circus can reverse them again...but NY and Hochul have an uphill battle ahead of them for sure. |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 8:39:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KuduKing: Very nice. Except for the unreliable dust collector you put on there. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KuduKing: Originally Posted By DaveM4P99: P365 X is the way. With a bladetech holster. My daily carry. And my carry gun tonight when I go out, just to celebrate the win. Fuck you Hochul! https://i.imgur.com/9i2N8aM.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/i0XWmGF.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/PSc5No0.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/TtlAaaE.jpeg Very nice. Except for the unreliable dust collector you put on there. What the china optic? I mean...it ain't unreliable. And has better features and price than the US made red dots. |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 10:18:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/9/2023 10:24:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: LamePostCount]
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The law is illegal. This is why you are not seeing mass enforecment. The state knows arrests will bite them in the ass. That is why Hochul and James are doing their phony victory lap. Read the article below about what is happening to DC for enforicing illegal law post Heller. Hochul knows about this and doesn't want egg on her face.
DC post Heller class action suit |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 10:36:10 AM EDT
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The NY Times proclaims this is a major victory as some sensitive locales remain and the licensing requirements for the most part are retained. They minimize that carry in most businesses are freed up (unless signed). Pragmatically, it's more of a victory for EDC.
The rationale for differential sensitive locales makes little sense. Lawful carry was never a problem. However, getting rid of school bans won't happen, IMHO. Nor will getting rid of the class. The NYS class may seem excessive but the curriculum is not out of line with a private first concealed carry class and many states have some kind of class. However, it being expensive might be claimed to be discriminative to folks without financial resources. Have to see how this plays out. Anyway - it's a victory if you look at the practical aspects for EDC as compared to before. |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 10:43:23 AM EDT
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Did they make you take a fucking class in the 1700s or 1800s or even early 1900s to be able to carry a gun?
No. Unconstitutional. |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 12:10:31 PM EDT
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It's not unconstitutional until Alito and Thomas get the others to rule on that. That's that. An internet post saying this or that is unconstitutional is nice but doesn't mean spit. The court changes and Bruen gets overturned as many predict would happen. It's what Scotus says.
I wouldn't bet on Scotus taking out all the classes in various states. We will see. |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 12:27:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kzin: So what's the current status of carrying in a posted 'no guns' private establishment. CCIA has nothing to do with this. I’ve seen these signs in KY. Simple, take your money elsewhere |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 12:46:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MikeyCNY]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger: Sales of Ruger LCP Max .380s have gone through the roof. I recommended it to about 10 people and 8 purchased it and its always on them. I'm going with I'm not the first one to preach to the converted. SIG P365XL is my daily carry, but I also have a Ruger LCP Max in .380 for ultra-light shorts carry and/or rucking... getting some surface rust issues, I'm considering sending into CCR for refinishing...  Edit: That's an older pic, it looks a little worse. I'll take before/after pics if I do end up sending in. Doing my annual renewals today, GOA and SAF getting some extra lovin'.. |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 2:44:23 PM EDT
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G42 FTW
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Posted: 12/9/2023 7:05:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger: Let them post, we’ll start a 2A boycott website and give them all the attention they don’t want but deserve. Bud Light those mother fuckers! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger: Originally Posted By kzin: So what's the current status of carrying in a posted 'no guns' private establishment? CCIA felony or the old leave or trespass rule. I predict a big push to get every business to post. Let them post, we’ll start a 2A boycott website and give them all the attention they don’t want but deserve. Bud Light those mother fuckers! I like your way of thinking |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 7:57:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Castillo]
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Bullet points anywhere on what is now allowed?
https://www.gunowners.org/victory-federal-circuit-court-affirms-injunction-against-portions-of-ny-concealed-carry-law/ Private property and houses of worship? No social media requirement? |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 9:17:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Castillo: Bullet points anywhere on what is now allowed? Private property and houses of worship? Per page 261 of the ruling, the House of worship injunction is only for "Pastor Spencer, the Tabernacle Family Church, its members, or their agents and licensees. " |
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Posted: 12/10/2023 8:21:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXSUNY: The NY Times proclaims this is a major victory as some sensitive locales remain and the licensing requirements for the most part are retained. They minimize that carry in most businesses are freed up (unless signed). Pragmatically, it's more of a victory for EDC. The rationale for differential sensitive locales makes little sense. Lawful carry was never a problem. However, getting rid of school bans won't happen, IMHO. Nor will getting rid of the class. The NYS class may seem excessive but the curriculum is not out of line with a private first concealed carry class and many states have some kind of class. However, it being expensive might be claimed to be discriminative to folks without financial resources. Have to see how this plays out. Anyway - it's a victory if you look at the practical aspects for EDC as compared to before. |
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Posted: 12/10/2023 10:55:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryNevermind |
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