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Posted: 8/4/2017 1:08:43 AM EDT
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Bunch of guys worked overtime. Good for them.
Better than sitting at home collecting welfare |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 6:11:13 AM EDT
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Good for them
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Posted: 8/4/2017 11:01:53 AM EDT
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Uh I'm looking at it from my kids perspective. Not that "I got mine". Simple math tells us that we will all be left holding the bag including the kids. People in government need to take responsibility for this over top bullshit . The welfare rats will always be there the only difference is these welfare rats make more. Not because of them but because our government enables .
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Posted: 8/4/2017 11:55:47 AM EDT
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I guess I don't know what a corrections engineer is but I know for CO's they are so short handed most of it is covered by overtime. Blame the administrations not the employees.
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Posted: 8/4/2017 12:21:11 PM EDT
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Uh I'm looking at it from my kids perspective. Not that "I got mine". Simple math tells us that we will all be left holding the bag including the kids. People in government need to take responsibility for this over top bullshit . The welfare rats will always be there the only difference is these welfare rats make more. Not because of them but because our government enables . |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 2:31:49 PM EDT
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Uh I'm looking at it from my kids perspective. Not that "I got mine". Simple math tells us that we will all be left holding the bag including the kids. People in government need to take responsibility for this over top bullshit . The welfare rats will always be there the only difference is these welfare rats make more. Not because of them but because our government enables We the People must bear some responsibility for this: We voted in the representatives, and they hired the bureaucrats that negotiate contracts, provide HR, report back to Leadership what a good job they're doing et.al. and until something happens, until then so long as everybody stays fat, dumb, and happy the money will continue to be argued about. Being "paid well" is subjective, making all the money you can earn by maximizing the opportunity set forth by State Law and Contract is smart, if you think its worth the time you trade as an individual to the needs of the system that trades you your time for their money. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 4:54:13 PM EDT
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A person that goes to work at a civil service job and makes overtime is still a "welfare rat" in your opinion??? Pretty harsh attitude. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 6:35:08 PM EDT
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You said civil service not me. I'm just saying the government enables the worker the government enables the welfare recipients. I shouldn't call them welfare rats I shouldn't call them anything. You call it overtime I call it blood money. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 8:03:54 PM EDT
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If you're so worried about what people are paid, maybe you should tell your elected representatives to properly staff agencies so that less OT is required. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 9:01:11 PM EDT
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OP is just jelly
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Posted: 8/4/2017 9:41:07 PM EDT
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Corrections in NYS is the most inept corrupted organization in the state. They operate outside the law breaking rule and law with abandon. Not surprisingly it's run by democrats with the real work done by conservatives. Any honest employee that works overtime deserves kudos and free psych therapy.
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Posted: 8/4/2017 9:51:28 PM EDT
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Hey OP.
Any chance you are able to rescind your public pension? Asking for a friend. 
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Posted: 8/5/2017 6:54:05 AM EDT
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Its not what they are paid its the way the system is run. Are you for or against the taxpayer? There aren't enough workers, there are minimum staffing requirements and the only way to meet that requirement is OT. Like I said, complain to your politicians |
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Posted: 8/5/2017 8:55:16 AM EDT
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What about how " the system is run" are you referring to? There aren't enough workers, there are minimum staffing requirements and the only way to meet that requirement is OT. Like I said, complain to your politicians |
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Posted: 8/5/2017 9:20:40 AM EDT
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You may want to look at the definition of a bureaucracy and get back to me. |
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Posted: 8/5/2017 12:44:35 PM EDT
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Which has nothing to do with meeting minimum staffing levels and the need for more hires if avoiding OT is your goal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You may want to look at the definition of a bureaucracy and get back to me. Lets add to the equation of bureaucracy http://www.lohud.com/story/news/politics/politics-on-the-hudson/2017/08/04/westchester-long-island-tunnel-cuomo/104292586/ |
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Posted: 8/5/2017 1:11:32 PM EDT
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Which has nothing to do with meeting minimum staffing levels and the need for more hires if avoiding OT is your goal. They're getting the job done (arguably understaffed, and unsafely) with fewer Guards which deceivingly gives the illusion that they are saving money, doing a fine job. Perhaps it's better to pay overtime than hire enough to do the job....Budgets certainly aren't going down, (even though Departments scream and cry about having their Budgets misleadingly "cut" because when they don't receive as high of an increase as they want. See we keep blaming those elected to represent us, Kings come and go, but the Bureaucrats they really run things stay and so geos the status quo. 
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Posted: 8/5/2017 5:03:25 PM EDT
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But has everything to do with a bureaucracy Lets add to the equation of bureaucracy http://www.lohud.com/story/news/politics/politics-on-the-hudson/2017/08/04/westchester-long-island-tunnel-cuomo/104292586/ Let me guess, if you'd have been around a century ago when they were connecting the various pieces of NYC with bridges and tunnels, you would have been complaining about that as well. Everyone knows the Island is a nightmare to get on and off of right now. A tunnel to give commuters another option is a good thing. |
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Posted: 8/5/2017 5:14:09 PM EDT
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Gives them the ability to say "We're doing more with less" while allowing all sorts of less than truthful claims. They're getting the job done (arguably understaffed, and unsafely) with fewer Guards which deceivingly gives the illusion that they are saving money, doing a fine job. Perhaps it's better to pay overtime than hire enough to do the job....Budgets certainly aren't going down, (even though Departments scream and cry about having their Budgets misleadingly "cut" because when they don't receive as high of an increase as they want. See we keep blaming those elected to represent us, Kings come and go, but the Bureaucrats they really run things stay and so geos the status quo. Much more than GD is usually willing to admit. I'm sure the bean counters think that running OT instead of hiring additional people saves money. In the long run you burn your labor pool out of it wasn't deep to begin with, and since the average US LEA is still less than 25 officers, the available pool isn't deep for most of us. |
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Posted: 8/5/2017 6:59:50 PM EDT
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The subject of that article is an operating engineer, not a CO. They ars the guys that provide the HVAC and maintain the systems that allow the facilties to operate. The city is critically understaffed in this department and they aren't hiring because OT is cheaper than additional benifits packages.
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Posted: 8/5/2017 8:41:32 PM EDT
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As mentioned in many occupations ( fire police corrections and similar) there are minimum manning requirements. In many agencies the bean counter have done the math ( I know one of those bean counters - not a bad person by any means!) and find it is cheaper to pay overtime to several people than hire additional staffing to meet the requirements. It doesn't seem like it makes sense but once put on paper and figured out it does. I could not be paid enough to work in a prison in any capacity. If the government wishes to continue manpower requirements but not hire additional staff, hard working people step up and work more ultimately getting paid more. I worked in emergency services for some time, and at some point you do t even want the money / overtime you just want a day off.
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Posted: 8/5/2017 11:45:25 PM EDT
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OP is just jelly Quote HistoryQuoted:
OP is just jelly Someone's angry because they didn't make as much, didn't save/invest for retirement, and didn't move after retiring. Quoted:
Retired state worker here as well Quoted:
Fortunately for me I got lucky with a career which provided me a decent pension after 30 years so I'll be waiting as long as I can. Quoted:
Some of us work 6 or 7 days a week to make ends meet. |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 12:55:36 AM EDT
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Oh shit guys we can't pay overtime you convicts can go home today but you have to come back in 24 hours!!!
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Posted: 8/6/2017 3:47:15 PM EDT
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This. Someone's angry because they didn't make as much, didn't save/invest for retirement, and didn't move after retiring. Posted well after he posted that he's retired. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP is just jelly Someone's angry because they didn't make as much, didn't save/invest for retirement, and didn't move after retiring. Quoted:
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Fortunately for me I got lucky with a career which provided me a decent pension after 30 years so I'll be waiting as long as I can. Quoted:
Some of us work 6 or 7 days a week to make ends meet. |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 7:52:26 PM EDT
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Oh for the love of god, please. Every time there is a discussion about taxpayer dollars being spent some wankers turn the topic into a fucking shit show. For some psychological reason people feel a need to defend whatever they are defending. All you do is bash. |
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Posted: 8/8/2017 4:54:31 PM EDT
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Corrections in NYS is the most inept corrupted organization in the state. They operate outside the law breaking rule and law with abandon. Not surprisingly it's run by democrats with the real work done by conservatives. Any honest employee that works overtime deserves kudos and free psych therapy. |
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Posted: 8/8/2017 6:43:13 PM EDT
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They should all be in the rubber gun squad.
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