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Posted: 2/10/2017 2:16:05 PM EDT
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Its not gonna happen, Downstate wont go for it and Il Duce will never sign it. Don't get your hopes up. We can only hope and pray that Justice Ginsberg finally croaks sometime in the next 4 years so Trump can appoint a conservative judge to replace her and then we can maybe get relief in the courts
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Posted: 2/11/2017 9:36:20 AM EDT
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I'm mixed on this. While I know it's never going to happen, I want gun rights for all, Downstate, NYC. However the selfish side of me says F NYC Downstate, free Upstate.
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Posted: 2/11/2017 1:58:32 PM EDT
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I'm on long Island so your fuck downstate idea can blow me.
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Posted: 2/11/2017 2:55:11 PM EDT
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I'm on long Island so your fuck downstate idea can blow me. X2. |
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Posted: 2/11/2017 7:51:31 PM EDT
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First of all, I did not write it or make the suggestion!! All I did was ask if anyone else had heard anything about it. I'm "behind the lines" same as you....( in case you missed that ) I'm quite aware that until Schumer,Bloomberg and Cuomo are removed we are fucked so don't jump in my shit like I'm behind it.....
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Posted: 2/11/2017 9:50:01 PM EDT
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Is there really any reason for anyone to start getting panties in a twist over a bill that has ZERO chance of becoming a law.
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:00:19 PM EDT
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No, The whole safe act needs to be repealed or overturned . Hopefully NOLO can raise some hell when he's here...
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Posted: 2/11/2017 11:00:42 PM EDT
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If we don't move out, eventually we'll all need Nolo's help.
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Posted: 2/11/2017 11:24:52 PM EDT
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First of all, I did not write it or make the suggestion!! All I did was ask if anyone else had heard anything about it. I'm "behind the lines" same as you....( in case you missed that ) I'm quite aware that until Schumer,Bloomberg and Cuomo are removed we are fucked so don't jump in my shit like I'm behind it..... My comment wasn't aimed at you. |
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Posted: 2/12/2017 2:15:04 AM EDT
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 laugh harder |
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Posted: 2/12/2017 11:17:37 AM EDT
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Blackcat504, New York, New York and Chiefbrodys comments were aimed at me. I certainly did not want to shitpost, wasn't my intention.
For the record I want full repeal of the Safe act, no half measures. My hatred of primarily downstate pols and the fuckwits that keep voting them in gets the best of me sometimes. Not that all upstate is innocent. |
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Posted: 2/12/2017 11:52:43 AM EDT
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Aside from the downstate (NYC) and several larger areas upstate, the majority of the state voted red according to the electoral map.But due to the concentration of the libs ( and other factions in those areas), the will of the people does not matter. Sad...Hopefully President Trump, the new AG along with the presidents son(s) will take notice and act accordingly. I imagine that it's going take having the right case in front of the US supreme court and having the safe act declared unconstitutional before it changes.....
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Posted: 2/12/2017 2:37:30 PM EDT
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Ah, if anyone hasn't noticed there is a revolution taking place throughout the country or maybe I should say people are trying to overthrow the government without firing a shot for now.
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Posted: 2/12/2017 4:38:53 PM EDT
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Yes, it appears that way.But I'm not so sure it's the right ones that are trying... There seems to be an awful lot of well organized liberal/leftist garbage going on in public and behind the scenes. Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmmmmmmm?"
 
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Posted: 2/12/2017 6:00:16 PM EDT
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As people have pointed out we need Ginsburg to leave the SCOTUS or we need a Republican Governor...
It's possible, A few years ago I would have never guessed that Trump would be the president...anything can happen |
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Posted: 2/12/2017 9:15:01 PM EDT
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I'm on long Island so your fuck downstate idea can blow me. |
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Posted: 2/12/2017 9:37:03 PM EDT
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... or we need a Republican Governor... And then what? We had a Republican Governor in Pataki and he gave us the 2000 state AWB. No difference between the two in this state. Even Skelos, who claimed to support gun rights, passed SAFE and then bragged about it in court to try and get leniency. |
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Posted: 2/12/2017 9:40:38 PM EDT
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Ah, if anyone hasn't noticed there is a revolution taking place throughout the country or maybe I should say people are trying to overthrow the government without firing a shot for now. We just overthrew 25 years of established government. It's time to call NRA 2AF SCOPE NYSRPA and tell them to put everything into it and no more accommodation. Full win in 2017 or we cease financial support. If NY SAFE isn't destroyed by 2020 I quit voting and I quit contributing. |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 4:14:36 PM EDT
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I already send as much financial support out of state as I can. If I have the choice of which vendor to buy anything from, I will pick the one outside of NY.
Sure, it's going to hurt local businesses, but there's always collateral damage in war. |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 8:59:45 PM EDT
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I'm on long Island so your fuck downstate idea can blow me. One could make the argument, that you [downstaters] gave them the first inch, so they took the mile..  NYC is not NY... Our taxes are the some of the highest in the nation just to keep that little ISland from imploding... NYC will always have shitty gun laws, Always...
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Posted: 2/14/2017 2:11:54 AM EDT
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Aside from the downstate (NYC) and several larger areas upstate, the majority of the state voted red according to the electoral map.But due to the concentration of the libs ( and other factions in those areas), the will of the people does not matter. Sad...Hopefully President Trump, the new AG along with the presidents son(s) will take notice and act accordingly. I imagine that it's going take having the right case in front of the US supreme court and having the safe act declared unconstitutional before it changes..... Forget the presidential votes. Look at the support for the SAFE Act. Look at which reps supported it vs opposed it......upstate vs downstate. Look at the counties who passed resolutions against the SAFE Act (largely symbolic I know) and refused to allow their county seals to be used on SAFE Act paperwork from the state......upstate vs downstate. How many signs you see against the SAFE Act downstate vs upstate? How many downstate lawmakers do you see drafting bills, cosponsoring bills, voting for bills that repeal the SAFE Act or potions of the SAFE Act? Upstate vs downstate.......How much downstate support was there when the upstate republicans tried to tie rent control to defunding the SAFE Act? Fuck downstate |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:01:11 AM EDT
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Anyone hear anything about a bill being considered to repeal the Safe Act? Supposedly there is a movement to repeal the law for upstate while leaving it intact for the NYC area.....Like to know if anyone has info on this |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 7:46:43 PM EDT
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Forget the presidential votes. Look at the support for the SAFE Act. Look at which reps supported it vs opposed it......upstate vs downstate. Look at the counties who passed resolutions against the SAFE Act (largely symbolic I know) and refused to allow their county seals to be used on SAFE Act paperwork from the state......upstate vs downstate. How many signs you see against the SAFE Act downstate vs upstate? How many downstate lawmakers do you see drafting bills, cosponsoring bills, voting for bills that repeal the SAFE Act or potions of the SAFE Act? Upstate vs downstate.......How much downstate support was there when the upstate republicans tried to tie rent control to defunding the SAFE Act? Fuck downstate Dude, don't start that "fuck down state" shit. Upstate ain't so innocent either. Splitting will never happen, we are in it together, like it or not. Now you can complain like a little 5 year old girl, band together with the rest of us or leave. We need solutions and we need groups doing the same thing the left wing groups are doing. How about a few big protest in NYC, Albany, Rochester and other liberal strong holds. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 9:59:28 PM EDT
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Dude, don't start that "fuck down state" shit. Upstate ain't so innocent either. Splitting will never happen, we are in it together, like it or not. Now you can complain like a little 5 year old girl, band together with the rest of us or leave. We need solutions and we need groups doing the same thing the left wing groups are doing. How about a few big protest in NYC, Albany, Rochester and other liberal strong holds. I think the point he is trying to make is its a numbers game... Unfortunately even if everyone in upstate that was pro gun moved to NYC, and tried to vote out the gun grabbers we would still be outnumbered 10-1.. There is zero hope for the city, liberalism is like a cancer, if untreated it spreads, and often the best option is to remove it before it kills the host. Please don't take my hate for downstate personally, but the sad reality is their is no hope for the city, but please don't shit on the hopes for the rest of the state.. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 11:42:21 PM EDT
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I think the point he is trying to make is its a numbers game... Unfortunately even if everyone in upstate that was pro gun moved to NYC, and tried to vote out the gun grabbers we would still be outnumbered 10-1.. There is zero hope for the city, liberalism is like a cancer, if untreated it spreads, and often the best option is to remove it before it kills the host. Please don't take my hate for downstate personally, but the sad reality is their is no hope for the city, but please don't shit on the hopes for the rest of the state.. This is exactly my point and the folks on our side become less and less as the days go by with people moving to free states. Soon it will only be the liberals left |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 12:22:43 AM EDT
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This is exactly my point and the folks on our side become less and less as the days go by with people moving to free states. Soon it will only be the liberals left What they don't understand, is if the safe act gets repealed up state, they stand a better chance of having it removed downstate... It will NEVER start with the city, or the state as a whole because it started in the city to begin with... Literally like a Jewish person trapped in germany telling a Jewish person in England to give up hope during WWII.. |
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Posted: 2/28/2017 7:52:30 AM EDT
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One could make the argument, that you [downstaters] gave them the first inch, so they took the mile.. NYC is not NY... Our taxes are the some of the highest in the nation just to keep that little ISland from imploding... NYC will always have shitty gun laws, Always...Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm on long Island so your fuck downstate idea can blow me. One could make the argument, that you [downstaters] gave them the first inch, so they took the mile.. NYC is not NY... Our taxes are the some of the highest in the nation just to keep that little ISland from imploding... NYC will always have shitty gun laws, Always...I live like 2 hours from the city. It's still super library here but not nearly as bad as far as gun laws. Don't lump in me and the others that live here aND disagree with progressive liberall policies. If we are completely outnumbered and the majority wins the decisions but we still stand for our rights but lose, don't lump us in with them. You're just finger pointing and blaming. You live in one of the most leftist states in the country. Don't blame "us" for that. I want the freedom as bad as you bruh. |
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Posted: 3/2/2017 7:41:35 AM EDT
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Just saw a quick clip on local news about it. It only mentioned repealing the part about not being able to transfer guns to relatives after a gun owner dies.
But it also mentioned "redefining the term 'assault weapon'". Don't know the details. |
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Posted: 3/2/2017 8:10:52 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/2/2017 10:12:24 AM EDT
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Cuomo, who is essentially mentally disabled and unstable, would never sign a repeal of his glorious gun law.
He did it to HURT law abiding conservatives in NY, solely for political reasons. Period. He knows it does nothing to stop crime or criminals or mass shootings...So we can argue that till we are blue in the face. He didn't pass the law to prevent mass shootings. He did it to hurt law abiding gun owners. Plain and simple. |
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Posted: 3/2/2017 10:33:31 AM EDT
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Cuomo, who is essentially mentally disabled and unstable, would never sign a repeal of his glorious gun law. He did it to HURT law abiding conservatives in NY, solely for political reasons. Period. He knows it does nothing to stop crime or criminals or mass shootings...So we can argue that till we are blue in the face. He didn't pass the law to prevent mass shootings. He did it to hurt law abiding gun owners. Plain and simple. Spot on. Funny how when "conservative rights" ( which are constitutional rights for all in essence) are infringed upon, there is no outcry but when illegal alien immigrant criminals are treated as such for breaking the law, the world goes into a tail spin. Double standard anyone?? |
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Posted: 3/2/2017 10:56:54 AM EDT
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I'm on long Island so your fuck downstate idea can blow me. Apparently Long Island has signed on, now. Assemblyman Butler unveils bill that would repeal several portions of SAFE Act I don't like it. It will be claimed as a "compromise", when even a partial repeal maintains a pretty dramatic restriction of our 2A rights. |
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Posted: 3/2/2017 11:26:56 AM EDT
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We need the courts/SCOTUS to help out with the following...
The AWB and registration needs to go, entirely. No reverting back to the 2 feature test either. Mag restrictions need to go. At the very least, they can't ban mags we owned before the unSAFE act. Online ammo ban needs to go. Because there is no way in hell NY politicians will ever repeal any parts of the unSAFE act. Ever. Ever. Period. |
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Posted: 3/2/2017 4:00:33 PM EDT
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We need the courts/SCOTUS to help out with the following... The AWB and registration needs to go, entirely. No reverting back to the 2 feature test either. ... Online ammo ban needs to go. The online ammo ban may be tricky too. SCOTUS has upheld bans on online cigarette purchases as well as on online wine/alcohol purchases. The justices might have to reverse precedence in that case which they do not like doing. They should carve out an exception under the Second Amendment but as always, good luck with that. |
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Posted: 3/2/2017 5:06:57 PM EDT
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I can drive an hour and buy government-free cigs. Would be nice to do that with firearms, too.
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Posted: 3/2/2017 11:28:44 PM EDT
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The online ammo ban may be tricky too. SCOTUS has upheld bans on online cigarette purchases as well as on online wine/alcohol purchases. The justices might have to reverse precedence in that case which they do not like doing. They should carve out an exception under the Second Amendment but as always, good luck with that. Alcohol and tobacco are subject to excise taxes that vary by state. Justification for the online ban is to prevent loss of tax revenue. Ammo is not subject to state excise taxes. Has the court ever upheld an interstate purchase ban of widgets that are legal in both states? |
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Posted: 3/3/2017 11:06:12 AM EDT
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Alcohol and tobacco are subject to excise taxes that vary by state. Justification for the online ban is to prevent loss of tax revenue. Ammo is not subject to state excise taxes. Has the court ever upheld an interstate purchase ban of widgets that are legal in both states? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Alcohol and tobacco are subject to excise taxes that vary by state. Justification for the online ban is to prevent loss of tax revenue. Ammo is not subject to state excise taxes. Has the court ever upheld an interstate purchase ban of widgets that are legal in both states? Quoting one of a myriad of articles on the subject: https://www.cnet.com/news/supreme-court-clears-way-for-online-wine-sales/
In a 5-4 ruling, the court said that Michigan and New York had enacted protectionist laws that unconstitutionally discriminated against wineries from other states. Justice Anthony Kennedy said that the states' claims of possible lost taxes or shipments to minors could not justify taking such strong measures against direct shipping. "The states have not shown that tax evasion from out-of-state wineries poses such a unique threat that it justifies their discriminatory regimes," Kennedy wrote for the majority. |
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Posted: 3/12/2017 5:28:31 PM EDT
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any one have a good place to shoot in or near greene county ? it about that time guys. lets put something together. I'm about 10 minutes from thruway exit 21.
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Posted: 3/17/2017 6:39:33 PM EDT
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I doubt you will ever get rid of registration. That has been upheld for at least 60 years with regards to handguns. |
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Posted: 3/18/2017 3:00:18 PM EDT
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Reason cited for excluding the lower portion of the State are really pretty simple: NYC disproportionally controls State (which is how the Sullivan Act was passed, and ostensibly un-SAFE too).
Democrats (again disproportionally higher in NYC ) cite questionable Polls claiming overwhelming support for the Law. Local legislators KNOW the Sheeple are terrified of guns: (only criminals, Cops, and Soldiers in Uniform have them) so its a grandstanding gesture on their part to stand indignantly like they're the stalwart protector of their patrons in defense of Laws keeping the up=State heathens from having guns they don't need for Deeah hunt'n. In the tit-for-tat Legislature there stands a chance of passage if NYC area is excluded in repealing the Act. (Sorry Long Island, but you're the suburbs of the City's inhabitants and therefor lumped into it) Passage of the repeal will be quid pro quo.... only thing you'll get for free out of NYC is fucked over. A simple enough solution to the demographic issue at hand would be the restrictions placed upon Handgun Licenses holders: Anywhere a State issued Handgun Licenses isn't valid, the Act remains in effect.
Our Rights have been taken incrementally, and incrementally is the only Civil way they will return.
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Posted: 3/19/2017 5:37:25 PM EDT
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I live like 2 hours from the city. It's still super library here but not nearly as bad as far as gun laws. Don't lump in me and the others that live here aND disagree with progressive liberall policies. If we are completely outnumbered and the majority wins the decisions but we still stand for our rights but lose, don't lump us in with them. You're just finger pointing and blaming. You live in one of the most leftist states in the country. Don't blame "us" for that. I want the freedom as bad as you bruh. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 11:00:30 PM EDT
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Reason cited for excluding the lower portion of the State are really pretty simple: NYC disproportionally controls State (which is how the Sullivan Act was passed, and ostensibly un-SAFE too). Democrats (again disproportionally higher in NYC ) cite questionable Polls claiming overwhelming support for the Law. Local legislators KNOW the Sheeple are terrified of guns: Our Rights have been taken incrementally, and incrementally is the only Civil way they will return. |
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Posted: 3/21/2017 7:05:28 PM EDT
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Its not gonna happen, Downstate wont go for it and Il Duce will never sign it. Don't get your hopes up. We can only hope and pray that Justice Ginsberg finally croaks sometime in the next 4 years so Trump can appoint a conservative judge to replace her and then we can maybe get relief in the courts |
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