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Posted: 7/19/2016 1:36:51 PM EDT

Looking for info on good Gun rights Lawyers in upstate NY...

https://www.fundedjustice.com/en/projects/32147-Jim-Jones-Defense-Fund

He was on his way to NH from Florida...

Posted: 7/19/2016 2:41:20 PM EDT

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There has to be more details than this. This is plainly covered by FOPA if he was traveling with everything in a locked up and inaccessible manner, which he no doubt would have known about, being in the firearms industry.

Posted: 7/19/2016 2:47:28 PM EDT

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NYSP observes FOPA, more to the story. Hell, I just took a FOPA call an hour ago.

Posted: 7/19/2016 3:01:32 PM EDT

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Could it be that he was at a rest stop? I think rest stops prohibit firearms right? Isn't that in NYS law? Or is that BS? I remember a thread a while back mentioning how NY law prohibits guns in thruway rest stops.

Either way, his arrest sounds pretty stupid...Hope he gets off and sues the shit out of whoever arrested him wrongly.

Posted: 7/19/2016 5:33:03 PM EDT

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Could it be that he was at a rest stop? I think rest stops prohibit firearms right? Isn't that in NYS law? Or is that BS? I remember a thread a while back mentioning how NY law prohibits guns in thruway rest stops.

Either way, his arrest sounds pretty stupid...Hope he gets off and sues the shit out of whoever arrested him wrongly.

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NYSP observes FOPA, more to the story. Hell, I just took a FOPA call an hour ago.

Could it be that he was at a rest stop? I think rest stops prohibit firearms right? Isn't that in NYS law? Or is that BS? I remember a thread a while back mentioning how NY law prohibits guns in thruway rest stops.

Either way, his arrest sounds pretty stupid...Hope he gets off and sues the shit out of whoever arrested him wrongly.

No, no, no read the rule on it. It prohibits loaded weapons at rest stops. So just the same as driving down the road in NY state, no difference. And aren't firearms pistols in NY, so no pistols at any rest stops, you would need to leave your CCW at the side of the highway before you take the off ramp?

Posted: 7/19/2016 5:34:56 PM EDT

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Looking for info on good Gun rights Lawyers in upstate NY...

https://www.fundedjustice.com/en/projects/32147-Jim-Jones-Defense-Fund

He was on his way to NH from Florida...

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The 5k is only going to get you the consultation fee. Then the real money comes into play.

Posted: 7/19/2016 6:37:02 PM EDT

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I would suggest Paloma Campana in Webster...

She was one of the lawyers involved with the FOIA lawsuit against Cumhole to get registration number released, and has been working against SAFE from the beginning.

Have had several long conversations with her, she seems great.

She was on my speed dial before I got out of there....

Posted: 7/19/2016 9:55:13 PM EDT

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I don't know the details... but was told second hand this should have been FOPA

Posted: 7/20/2016 9:18:40 AM EDT

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Erm, no they don't...Maybe they used to but, not anymore.

I instruct in PA and CT - Make the I-84 drive frequently from CT --> Milford PA.

I've been told POINT BLANK by a NYSP that FOPA will not be observed if I bring my AR's through NY...On more than one occasion...Thus why I refuse to instruct in NY...Not worth it.

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Apparently James was taking a break at a rest stop which, abides by FOPA considering he is temporarily resting while passing through.

I find this ironic considering what half the LEOs in America carry...

Posted: 7/20/2016 9:59:32 AM EDT

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I'd just get a good criminal lawyer in the Albany area and forget about looking for someone who is a "gun rights lawyer." I don't really know anyone in that area anymore unfortunately

Posted: 7/20/2016 10:02:23 AM EDT

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Who knows, maybe the guy had guns in an suv and the cases weren't all locked, maybe the cop never heard of fopa, didn't care, found magazines and those aren't covered etc etc

It doesn't happen often but innocent people do get charged with crimes

(I hate innocent people, too stressful)

Posted: 7/20/2016 10:59:48 AM EDT

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What about Tresmond?

Posted: 7/20/2016 11:49:04 AM EDT

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There is much erroneous information in the thread which has lead many to a false conclusion. This is NOT the case to be used as an example of LE overreach. Cannot go into detail due to pending litigation but, again, this is NOT the case.

Posted: 7/20/2016 2:47:36 PM EDT

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Why is it not to be used as a violation of FOPA?

What facts do you know of?

It is important to note, the Jim Jones here is not the rapper who has had multiple interactions with police...

The arrest isn't even listed on the NYSP regional log: https://www.nyspnews.com/section_display.cfm?section_id=27&start_row=66

Is it possible for you to know and tell us the exact charges the guy is being charged with?

Posted: 7/20/2016 3:58:52 PM EDT

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So, you are saying it was a consent search or incident to a lawful arrest? Inquiring legal minds need to know.

IM or call me offline if you can share, please.

btw off topic, my Cousins boy made BCI in Troop K.

Posted: 7/20/2016 5:46:25 PM EDT

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Why is it not to be used as a violation of FOPA?

What facts do you know of?

It is important to note, the Jim Jones here is not the rapper who has had multiple interactions with police...

The arrest isn't even listed on the NYSP regional log: https://www.nyspnews.com/section_display.cfm?section_id=27&start_row=66

Is it possible for you to know and tell us the exact charges the guy is being charged with?

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There is much erroneous information in the thread which has lead many to a false conclusion. This is NOT the case to be used as an example of LE overreach. Cannot go into detail due to pending litigation but, again, this is NOT the case.

Why is it not to be used as a violation of FOPA?

What facts do you know of?

It is important to note, the Jim Jones here is not the rapper who has had multiple interactions with police...

The arrest isn't even listed on the NYSP regional log: https://www.nyspnews.com/section_display.cfm?section_id=27&start_row=66

Is it possible for you to know and tell us the exact charges the guy is being charged with?

I can't disclose the information on a public forum, it would be prejudicial to the defendant.

Posted: 7/21/2016 11:04:24 AM EDT

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There is much erroneous information in the thread which has lead many to a false conclusion. This is NOT the case to be used as an example of LE overreach. Cannot go into detail due to pending litigation but, again, this is NOT the case.

Why is it not to be used as a violation of FOPA?

What facts do you know of?

It is important to note, the Jim Jones here is not the rapper who has had multiple interactions with police...

The arrest isn't even listed on the NYSP regional log: https://www.nyspnews.com/section_display.cfm?section_id=27&start_row=66

Is it possible for you to know and tell us the exact charges the guy is being charged with?

I can't disclose the information on a public forum, it would be prejudicial to the defendant.

To even list the charges of which he is being charged with? I tried searching for anything in the news related to this arrest but I haven't found anything. Have you seen anything? If so, do you consider listing a news article prejudicial too?

Would you be able to answer a yes or no question to whether there is something more than just possession of firearms related charges? Non firearms related charges? I appreciate your sensitivity to prejudice towards the defendant.

Posted: 7/21/2016 11:28:53 AM EDT

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This is New York people.

We don't need any top secret material to know what that means.

Posted: 7/21/2016 12:00:36 PM EDT

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Wait for the facts to come out before jumping to conclusions and grabbing your pitchforks. We loudly complain about the media and BLM jumping to conclusions, we are better than that.

Posted: 7/21/2016 1:27:25 PM EDT

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Speak for yourself. :)

Then again, this isn't the General Discussion section.

Posted: 7/22/2016 12:06:52 AM EDT

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Posted: 7/22/2016 11:01:44 AM EDT

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Unless this guy was waving his rifles or pistols around in the air popping off rounds, NFA items of not, stored improperly, I dont care. He should not still be in jail for any firearms charges. Are you sure he didnt have any drugs on him? I mean he is still in the lock up since the 4th of july. Something is crazy here.

Posted: 7/25/2016 2:06:32 PM EDT

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Unless this guy was waving his rifles or pistols around in the air popping off rounds, NFA items of not, stored improperly, I dont care. He should not still be in jail for any firearms charges. Are you sure he didnt have any drugs on him? I mean he is still in the lock up since the 4th of july. Something is crazy here.

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I have heard nothing first hand... I have not heard the charges against him - I cannot even find his arrest report in a police log... All I know is what was listed on the fundraising page. I was hoping Natty_Bumppo would give some more info since he seems to know more than what was released.

Posted: 7/25/2016 4:42:30 PM EDT

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I have heard nothing first hand... I have not heard the charges against him - I cannot even find his arrest report in a police log... All I know is what was listed on the fundraising page. I was hoping Natty_Bumppo would give some more info since he seems to know more than what was released.

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Unless this guy was waving his rifles or pistols around in the air popping off rounds, NFA items of not, stored improperly, I dont care. He should not still be in jail for any firearms charges. Are you sure he didnt have any drugs on him? I mean he is still in the lock up since the 4th of july. Something is crazy here.

I have heard nothing first hand... I have not heard the charges against him - I cannot even find his arrest report in a police log... All I know is what was listed on the fundraising page. I was hoping Natty_Bumppo would give some more info since he seems to know more than what was released.

LMAO, the police are not going to help and give you ALL the info here. Yes they will find out for themselves, but not tell anyone else. The only way to find out would be to visit him in the lockup.

Posted: 7/26/2016 11:05:38 AM EDT

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LMAO, the police are not going to help and give you ALL the info here. Yes they will find out for themselves, but not tell anyone else. The only way to find out would be to visit him in the lockup.

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Unless this guy was waving his rifles or pistols around in the air popping off rounds, NFA items of not, stored improperly, I dont care. He should not still be in jail for any firearms charges. Are you sure he didnt have any drugs on him? I mean he is still in the lock up since the 4th of july. Something is crazy here.

I have heard nothing first hand... I have not heard the charges against him - I cannot even find his arrest report in a police log... All I know is what was listed on the fundraising page. I was hoping Natty_Bumppo would give some more info since he seems to know more than what was released.

LMAO, the police are not going to help and give you ALL the info here. Yes they will find out for themselves, but not tell anyone else. The only way to find out would be to visit him in the lockup.

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Posted: 7/26/2016 9:35:32 PM EDT

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Have you guys been getting the updates on this?

Hi,

This is just to let you know that Nick Martin posted a new update on Jim Jones Defense Fund's Update page:

Yesterday and today I spoke to Jim again. He is off lockdown early thankfully. He spoke to his attorney last night and they are seeking new bail terms. This is key in his defense as it is much easier to fight this from the outside. More info from the attorney tomorrow when he meets with jim again. Jim would like all of you to know that he deeply appreciates your efforts as he only just now found out about this fund raiser. He would also like you to know that due to the felony diet he has lost a significant amount of weight. That when he sees you next he will be bald as he shaved his head to the heat in the jail, and that he will be down to 225 lbs from 295 lbs. He looks like the guy who blew his head off in Full Metal Jacket. His words...not mine. He would also like to thank Cindy Tello, her family, his family and friends for the first $5000 to retain Lee Greenstein. It means the world to him and he cannot thank you enough. Finally, some headway, and some actual info from the man himself. There are so many people he wanted to thank that naming names would be impossible. Although I did try to name names of all of you that came out of the woodwork to help him. From the $10 donations to the $500 and you know who you are. One day he will be able to see this and knowing him, personally reach out to thank you all. Lastly, the funds will be available in two days. I am now coordinating with jim directly as to where to put the money to ensure he has access to it, and that no one else can lay claim to it. Some of you have asked why I closed the fund raiser. The simple answer is that we met the goal rather quickly and that had we carried on, the money would have became available weeks apart. This way, it's all in one lump sum and available much faster. Less importantly, I being the creator of the fund am responsible for the taxes of the total come tax time. It's not an issue and I hope that someone would do it for me if it came down to that. But there's your answer. Please be patient as the next few days unfold. We will all know more soon and hopefully I will be able to update you with positive information. Thank you all so much for everything you've done for our friend.

Click here to read it:

Posted: 7/27/2016 11:55:00 AM EDT

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interesting.. stickers on his vehicle.. make it a is lessons learned don't advertise. Your 1st amendment going to fook you on your 2nd.. Oh wait this is communist NY you have no rights your name is not Clinton or Cuomo.

Posted: 7/27/2016 12:37:31 PM EDT

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Cetane, That's basically just a long thank you. No links to an arrest report or news article etc...

Posted: 7/27/2016 1:56:46 PM EDT

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Cetane, That's basically just a long thank you. No links to an arrest report or news article etc...

Yea I know, just wondering if anybody else was getting the updates from the fund page as well. Ya know, keepin it alive.

Posted: 7/28/2016 3:04:10 AM EDT

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The people running the fundraising page get pretty snippy if you ask them for more details about the circumstances of the arrest too.

Posted: 7/28/2016 2:43:24 PM EDT

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There is much erroneous information in the thread which has lead many to a false conclusion. This is NOT the case to be used as an example of LE overreach. Cannot go into detail due to pending litigation but, again, this is NOT the case.

The people running the fundraising page get pretty snippy if you ask them for more details about the circumstances of the arrest too.

Well you were the smart one to move the fook out..

Posted: 8/16/2016 2:27:02 PM EDT

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http://www.thedailystar.com/news/police_blotter/police-blotter-july/article_3f8baa39-e03d-5aaa-8d5a-83e33c01e91f.html

Posted: 8/16/2016 2:44:41 PM EDT

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James G. Jones, 54, Hudson, New Hampshire, July 4, fourth-degree criminal possession of a weapon, driving while intoxicated, aggravated driving while intoxicated and felony third-degree criminal possession of a weapon: assault rifle.

Posted: 8/16/2016 2:59:54 PM EDT

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Well, that changes the narrative quite a bit.

Posted: 8/16/2016 3:57:31 PM EDT

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Hence my call not to rush to judgment. This was not the hill to die on for gun rights.

Posted: 8/16/2016 5:52:19 PM EDT

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James G. Jones, 54, Hudson, New Hampshire, July 4, fourth-degree criminal possession of a weapon, driving while intoxicated, aggravated driving while intoxicated and felony third-degree criminal possession of a weapon: assault rifle.

hmm ok,.. so this guy was at a rest stop. was his keys in the ignition ? some isn't still not adding up right here

Jim was resting at a rest area since it was the weekend of the 4th and hotels raise their rates to ridiculous prices and he only had 4 hours to go before he was back home. A state trooper pulled up and noticed his firearm company stickers on his vehicle.

Posted: 8/16/2016 9:30:31 PM EDT

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This is the problem, we are not seeing straight unsafe violation arrests. I dont believe (FOPA) covers you if you commit a felony. And I found this today after telling my mother about the story, she used to be a deputy NYSAG and didnt believe the story. So we started to google search. Now not to get into this guys life too much but she said anyone can also get the arrest report that would spell out exactly what the trooper observed and arrested him for. I just dont like being asked for money under false pretenses. Its not as it was explained.

Posted: 8/16/2016 9:33:00 PM EDT

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James G. Jones, 54, Hudson, New Hampshire, July 4, fourth-degree criminal possession of a weapon, driving while intoxicated, aggravated driving while intoxicated and felony third-degree criminal possession of a weapon: assault rifle.

hmm ok,.. so this guy was at a rest stop. was his keys in the ignition ? some isn't still not adding up right here

Jim was resting at a rest area since it was the weekend of the 4th and hotels raise their rates to ridiculous prices and he only had 4 hours to go before he was back home. A state trooper pulled up and noticed his firearm company stickers on his vehicle.

aggravated driving while intoxicated

usually means driving with no licence or suspended

Posted: 8/17/2016 5:54:56 AM EDT

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I have heard not to drink and drive and not to mix alcohol and guns. Looks like this is the case here. DWI and "illegal" guns.

"James G. Jones, 54, Hudson, New Hampshire, July 4, fourth-degree criminal possession of a weapon, driving while intoxicated, aggravated driving while intoxicated and felony third-degree criminal possession of a weapon: assault rifle".

If at a rest stop? More to follow....

Posted: 8/17/2016 8:19:19 AM EDT

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This is the problem, we are not seeing straight unsafe violation arrests. I dont believe (FOPA) covers you if you commit a felony. And I found this today after telling my mother about the story, she used to be a deputy NYSAG and didnt believe the story. So we started to google search. Now not to get into this guys life too much but she said anyone can also get the arrest report that would spell out exactly what the trooper observed and arrested him for. I just dont like being asked for money under false pretenses. Its not as it was explained.

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Eh, that's really not fair either.

If Jim had 1 drink, the same exact charges would've been thrown on.

Think about it - Long drive...Have a single beer...Same situation...

I personally, would like to see the arrest report myself but, it doesn't change the reality of the situation.

Posted: 8/17/2016 8:50:09 AM EDT

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Let's just say he did some bonehead things to get in the position he is in now. The defense page is far from accurate. But rationalization is what we do here apparently.

Posted: 8/17/2016 1:07:18 PM EDT

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At least in NY it doesn't matter if they were in the ignition. If you're intoxicated (that's not 1 beer unless you chug it) and you're in a vehicle without a sober driver at the wheel, you're DWI. Even if you're in the back seat sleeping. Being in control of all that weaponry while drinking is really stupid, having nothing to do with NY.

Posted: 8/21/2016 8:33:22 PM EDT

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James G. Jones, 54, Hudson, New Hampshire, July 4, fourth-degree criminal possession of a weapon, driving while intoxicated, aggravated driving while intoxicated and felony third-degree criminal possession of a weapon: assault rifle.

hmm ok,.. so this guy was at a rest stop. was his keys in the ignition ? some isn't still not adding up right here

Jim was resting at a rest area since it was the weekend of the 4th and hotels raise their rates to ridiculous prices and he only had 4 hours to go before he was back home. A state trooper pulled up and noticed his firearm company stickers on his vehicle.

aggravated driving while intoxicated

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Nope, that's aggravated unlicensed operation. Aggravated DWI is a .18 or higher BAC.

Posted: 8/22/2016 9:15:47 AM EDT

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So that explains the "sleeping it off" from the OP but, it's all speculation because there's no arrest report, actual BACL or anything else...

Posted: 8/24/2016 4:56:20 PM EDT

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Had nothing to do with it. He was a dumbass and nowhere near a rest stop.

Posted: 8/24/2016 5:58:14 PM EDT

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Had nothing to do with it. He was a dumbass and nowhere near a rest stop.

yea natty i figured that... It was on his go fun me page about stickers etc...

After being on grand jury for 5 months before i left NYS..I will say this about troopers in Dutchess county they are very professional and saw that again and again when they presented the cases at the grand jury phase..

Even the DA and ADA's side on caution prior to really charging anyone with a felony crime in the county..

Posted: 8/25/2016 5:54:30 AM EDT

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I'm still curious. No matter what he was originally arrested for, DWI or anything else, those gun charges are offensive to natural liberty. If he wasn't using the guns unlawfully, shouldn't the defense supported by FOPA still be relevant?

Posted: 8/25/2016 9:51:00 AM EDT

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Sure but, if you are picked up for a felony Im writing you for everything on the spot. And again, I dont believe FOPA is going to cover anyone that is committing a felony.

Posted: 8/25/2016 1:07:40 PM EDT

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Sure but, if you are picked up for a felony Im writing you for everything on the spot. And again, I dont believe FOPA is going to cover anyone that is committing a felony.

I heard that's how they role in the People's Republic of China.

Posted: 8/25/2016 8:22:48 PM EDT

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Sure but, if you are picked up for a felony Im writing you for everything on the spot. And again, I dont believe FOPA is going to cover anyone that is committing a felony.

I heard that's how they role in the People's Republic of China.

No it's how they roll in communist New York...

Posted: 8/25/2016 10:20:29 PM EDT

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I'm still curious. No matter what he was originally arrested for, DWI or anything else, those gun charges are offensive to natural liberty. If he wasn't using the guns unlawfully, shouldn't the defense supported by FOPA still be relevant?

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Lol I don't think fopa says anything about being sober or even not being involved in some other crime. I'm sure a judge would just make up some "well obviously the statute doesn't mean what it says when..." Exception

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