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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:12:00 PM EDT
[#1]
Just wondering: How is it that Cuomo "defers" to a study that his office essentially wrote?
The larger issue could be that the profitability of fracking at this point, with gas prices down some $1/gal., might not make the venture worthwhile and supporters lack the incentive to pony up the bribes campaign contributions necessary to get the King's blessing. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:15:44 PM EDT
[#2]
Good, less tax dollars for the state.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:15:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The larger issue could be that the profitability of fracking at this point, with gas prices down some $1/gal., might not make the venture worthwhile and supporters lack the incentive to pony up the bribes campaign contributions necessary to get the King's blessing. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:16:04 PM EDT
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Why would he care about helping the upstate NY economy anyway?
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:17:37 PM EDT
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By New York leaving it in the ground now, it will become a more valuable commodity down the road. Prices will not remain low forever AND let the other states such as PA suck all the oil and NG out of the ground now for lower prices. When all the reserves start to be depleted, New York will be sitting on a much more valuable commodity. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The larger issue could be that the profitability of fracking at this point, with gas prices down some $1/gal., might not make the venture worthwhile and supporters lack the incentive to pony up the bribes campaign contributions necessary to get the King's blessing. Natural gas reserves won't be depleted any time soon...it's because Cuomo doesn't care about upstate votes or the upstate economy now that he won the election. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:28:57 PM EDT
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Typical. Passing the buck on a decision that will certainly result in negative economic consequences. Oh, and he's doing it as far away from the next election as he possibly can.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:30:50 PM EDT
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It's fatiguing to see this pattern over and over...
You can't have pistol! People in VT open carry with little to no issue and have almost no restrictions Fracking has dubious economic benefit! Yet it's widely done and PA and ND went from bust to boom? Fire works are bad mmm'kay! Nearly every person in every other state still has, as far as I know, 10 digits. Is it a coincidence that this report came 1 month after the election? I say no. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:33:37 PM EDT
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By New York leaving it in the ground now, it will become a more valuable commodity down the road. Prices will not remain low forever AND let the other states such as PA suck all the oil and NG out of the ground now for lower prices. When all the reserves start to be depleted, New York will be sitting on a much more valuable commodity. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The larger issue could be that the profitability of fracking at this point, with gas prices down some $1/gal., might not make the venture worthwhile and supporters lack the incentive to pony up the bribes campaign contributions necessary to get the King's blessing. pa is not doing much fracking due to it the purity of what they are getting out of the ground so the companies are sitting on it until the prices go back up.. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:38:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: By New York leaving it in the ground now, it will become a more valuable commodity down the road. Prices will not remain low forever AND let the other states such as PA suck all the oil and NG out of the ground now for lower prices. When all the reserves start to be depleted, New York will be sitting on a much more valuable commodity. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The larger issue could be that the profitability of fracking at this point, with gas prices down some $1/gal., might not make the venture worthwhile and supporters lack the incentive to pony up the bribes campaign contributions necessary to get the King's blessing. By then, President Elizabeth Warren will have banned fracking via executive order.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:40:12 PM EDT
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Natural gas reserves won't be depleted any time soon...it's because Cuomo doesn't care about upstate votes or the upstate economy now that he won the election. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The larger issue could be that the profitability of fracking at this point, with gas prices down some $1/gal., might not make the venture worthwhile and supporters lack the incentive to pony up the bribes campaign contributions necessary to get the King's blessing. Natural gas reserves won't be depleted any time soon...it's because Cuomo doesn't care about upstate votes or the upstate economy now that he won the election. That's it, what has he won, Johnny???? |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:42:45 PM EDT
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He's past the election and the price of oil has fallen to the point that hydrofracking is not financially viable; hardly a tough decision.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:12:43 PM EDT
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He's past the election and UPSTATE VOTED AGAINST HIM so he doesnt give a flying fuck; hardly a tough decision. FIFY |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:28:58 PM EDT
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Getting more excited to leave this State every day.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:32:41 PM EDT
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It doesn't make sense.
OK, so it has no benefit to NYC. And it is a FU to Upstate. But there MUST be big money behind fracking! Payoffs, contracts awarded to the faithful, etc etc. Are the Dems and RINOs so well off that they can turn their back on a significant corruption opportunity? |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:37:51 PM EDT
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Shut up and accept your punishment, Upstate. You shouldn't have opposed him.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:38:25 PM EDT
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It doesn't make sense. OK, so it has no benefit to NYC. And it is a FU to Upstate. But there MUST be big money behind fracking! Payoffs, contracts awarded to the faithful, etc etc. Are the Dems and RINOs so well off that they can turn their back on a significant corruption opportunity? This is to give him street cred with the liberal Eco greenies for his delusional POTUS run. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:41:33 PM EDT
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This is to give him street cred with the liberal Eco greenies for his delusional POTUS run. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It doesn't make sense. OK, so it has no benefit to NYC. And it is a FU to Upstate. But there MUST be big money behind fracking! Payoffs, contracts awarded to the faithful, etc etc. Are the Dems and RINOs so well off that they can turn their back on a significant corruption opportunity? This is to give him street cred with the liberal Eco greenies for his delusional POTUS run. Yup, downstate doesn't need fracking. They have lots of money, and because this election was so close he had to rebuild his support base. He's also in the mood to punish all those who have opposed him; the union(s) that supported Teachout for instance. Upstate needs the economic stimulation fracking would bring. Instead, he's fucking Upstate over and driving out those who dislike him. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:49:48 PM EDT
[#18]
why would you need capitalist sources of income when you can suck the taxpayers dry?
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:07:18 PM EDT
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Ban everything
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Posted: 12/17/2014 8:00:26 PM EDT
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Good, less tax dollars for the state. Yeah, you have plenty of money, you can just kick in some more. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 8:02:13 PM EDT
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Ban everything Well said. /end thread /the end is near anyhow :/ Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 8:06:11 PM EDT
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In other news NYers now have the freedom to use Medicaid for a sex change.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 8:47:14 PM EDT
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In other news NYers now have the freedom to use Medicaid for a sex change. When is cuomo going to get his/hers done |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 9:16:18 PM EDT
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In other news NYers now have the freedom to use Medicaid for a sex change. Old news. Has been that way since at least 1992. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 3:55:29 AM EDT
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this will make the north and western nys less economically viable and will further reduce the power of the population up there thereby guaranteeing a victory for progressives using the downstate vote. well everyone loved the dems for so long in nys that they couldnt see the hurt comng their way
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Posted: 12/18/2014 9:45:40 AM EDT
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Ban everything Great! You asked for it and now we get it: http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S3653422.shtml?cat=565 |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 9:57:51 AM EDT
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this will make the north and western nys less economically viable and will further reduce the power of the population up there thereby guaranteeing a victory for progressives using the downstate vote. well everyone loved the dems for so long in nys that they couldnt see the hurt comng their way We have a winner! Fracking would bring huge amounts of money into the conservative sections of the state. And politics has to follow money. The fact that NY using the old brine from fracking as a highway ice remover shows how dangerous he really thinks this stuff is o the environment. And of course out elected representatives have no issue with not having to vote on controversial issues. Not having any voting record is a good thing to a career politician. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:01:19 AM EDT
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We have a winner! Fracking would bring huge amounts of money into the conservative sections of the state. And politics has to follow money. The fact that NY using the old brine from fracking as a highway ice remover shows how dangerous he really thinks this stuff is o the environment. And of course out elected representatives have no issue with not having to vote on controversial issues. Not having any voting record is a good thing to a career politician. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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this will make the north and western nys less economically viable and will further reduce the power of the population up there thereby guaranteeing a victory for progressives using the downstate vote. well everyone loved the dems for so long in nys that they couldnt see the hurt comng their way We have a winner! Fracking would bring huge amounts of money into the conservative sections of the state. And politics has to follow money. The fact that NY using the old brine from fracking as a highway ice remover shows how dangerous he really thinks this stuff is o the environment. And of course out elected representatives have no issue with not having to vote on controversial issues. Not having any voting record is a good thing to a career politician. In July 2013, Riverkeeper wrote to the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (NYSDEC) and requested information about one method of handling fracking waste that New York is currently allowing: the use of production brine from conventional, low-volume fracking on New York roads for de-icing, dust control, and road stabilization. Specifically, we asked the agency to provide information regarding its approvals – known as Beneficial Use Determinations or BUDs – of the use of natural gas production brine for road spreading from June 2011 to July 2013. We wrote to NYSDEC again in February 2014 to request an update through early 2014.
In its response, NYSDEC indicated that its records did not differentiate between brine from different well types: “The records may reflect brine originating from oil extraction wells as well as natural gas extraction wells.” As a result, even though we only requested information regarding natural gas production brine BUDs, we received BUDs from other sources as well. In all, through early 2014, we received copies of 35 BUDs and modifications, 24 of which approve for the use of natural gas brine for road spreading purpose. Of the 24 natural gas brine BUDs, 13 appear to authorize road spreading of brine from natural gas storage facilities, while 11 authorize road spreading of production brine from natural gas wells. Of the remaining approved BUDs, 1 indicated that the brine was from oil wells, while the type of brine for the balance was not identified. www.riverkeeper.org/campaigns/safeguard/gas-drilling/the-facts-about-new-york-and-fracking-waste/ I did not even realize that was a thing to do to melt snow. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:29:57 AM EDT
[#29]
The protesters still aren't happy
They were out last night now going door to door demanding that Cuomo fund alternative energy sources with tax dollars |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:40:47 AM EDT
[#30]
So...
Libtards are against nuclear, against oil, against coal, against natural gas... How the hell do they expect to power the world? Unicorn tears and fairy farts? Wind and solar don't power shit. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:58:43 AM EDT
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So... Libtards are against nuclear, against oil, against coal, against natural gas... How the hell do they expect to power the world? Unicorn tears and fairy farts? Wind and solar don't power shit. They're convinced it can be done and within 15 years They keep citing Germany as an example of a nation switching over to 100% renewables They're protesting a simple gas supply line near my house, saying it'll prolong our dependence on fossil fuels They have "experts" on the topic More like 'expert protesters" Meanwhile NYSEG says their supply system is max'd out and they need additional capacity because customers by and large are picking gas over renewables I remember when the protesters used to push NG because it was the "cleaner" fossil fuel |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 12:00:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup, downstate doesn't need fracking. They have lots of money, and because this election was so close he had to rebuild his support base. In my area of Long Island there was a tie-in to the upstate fracking debate that turned locals against it. Part of the fracking plan was to send the contaminated fracking water to a sewage processing plant in Glen Cove. The locals in Glen Cove do not want the contaminated water as they are still cleaning up several superfund sites that were created from the 1940's through the 1980's (Li Tungsten is a good example that left toxic waste as well as radioactive substances in the local canal). Locals are jittery about bringing in new waste.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 12:16:55 PM EDT
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Good, the more pain and misery he can bring to actual working people, the faster they will leave. I would love to see this state populated with nothing but politicians and FSA shitbags, and see how it does...
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Posted: 12/18/2014 3:23:57 PM EDT
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They're convinced it can be done and within 15 years They keep citing Germany as an example of a nation switching over to 100% renewables They're protesting a simple gas supply line near my house, saying it'll prolong our dependence on fossil fuels They have "experts" on the topic More like 'expert protesters" Meanwhile NYSEG says their supply system is max'd out and they need additional capacity because customers by and large are picking gas over renewables I remember when the protesters used to push NG because it was the "cleaner" fossil fuel Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So... Libtards are against nuclear, against oil, against coal, against natural gas... How the hell do they expect to power the world? Unicorn tears and fairy farts? Wind and solar don't power shit. They're convinced it can be done and within 15 years They keep citing Germany as an example of a nation switching over to 100% renewables They're protesting a simple gas supply line near my house, saying it'll prolong our dependence on fossil fuels They have "experts" on the topic More like 'expert protesters" Meanwhile NYSEG says their supply system is max'd out and they need additional capacity because customers by and large are picking gas over renewables I remember when the protesters used to push NG because it was the "cleaner" fossil fuel They shouldn't tout Germany as the example. Germany is going the route of gassification, basically burning trash at such a high temp that it generates copious amounts of energy. It takes a HUGE amount of NG. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 3:45:20 PM EDT
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So... Libtards are against nuclear, against oil, against coal, against natural gas... How the hell do they expect to power the world? Unicorn tears and fairy farts? Wind and solar don't power shit. they are against anything we are for. its political gain, nothing more. they could give to flying fucks about water quality. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 4:33:55 PM EDT
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They shouldn't tout Germany as the example. Germany is going the route of gassification, basically burning trash at such a high temp that it generates copious amounts of energy. It takes a HUGE amount of NG. Tell that to the Ithaca hippies. They constantly talk about the number of solar panels being placed on German houses and how they'll supposedly be completely switched to alternative energy within a few years |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 4:39:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tell that to the Ithaca hippies. They constantly talk about the number of solar panels being placed on German houses and how they'll supposedly be completely switched to alternative energy within a few years Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They shouldn't tout Germany as the example. Germany is going the route of gassification, basically burning trash at such a high temp that it generates copious amounts of energy. It takes a HUGE amount of NG. Tell that to the Ithaca hippies. They constantly talk about the number of solar panels being placed on German houses and how they'll supposedly be completely switched to alternative energy within a few years I did the math one time on the percentage of NYS that would need to be covered in wind turbines to equal the output of the nuclear reactors in Oswego. I don't remember what the result was, but assuming customary distributions of so many turbines per so many acres, it was some absurd percentage. Solar energy would be great as a supplement to more traditional forms of energy if we had sufficient battery technology to make good use of it. Wind is a nonstarter for many reasons. If the environmentalists were intellectually honest they'd be pushing for more nuclear plants. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 9:51:09 PM EDT
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PA will simply start drilling horizontal under NY. Kuwait was doing that to Iraq, and it turned out well.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:00:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good, less tax dollars for the state. yea. i was getting worried our record setting economic rebounding growth was actually going a little too fast
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:55:20 PM EDT
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I did the math one time on the percentage of NYS that would need to be covered in wind turbines to equal the output of the nuclear reactors in Oswego. I don't remember what the result was, but assuming customary distributions of so many turbines per so many acres, it was some absurd percentage. Solar energy would be great as a supplement to more traditional forms of energy if we had sufficient battery technology to make good use of it. Wind is a nonstarter for many reasons. If the environmentalists were intellectually honest they'd be pushing for more nuclear plants. I think their plan is to put solar panels on every house and factory We have two fairly large solar farms going up near the county airport and a wind farm on the west side of the lake |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 4:12:50 AM EDT
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yea. i was getting worried our record setting economic rebounding growth was actually going a little too fast Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good, less tax dollars for the state. yea. i was getting worried our record setting economic rebounding growth was actually going a little too fast Don't worry soon enough this state will be full of people either working for the government or getting handouts from the government. Either way, the government will be in control. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 1:02:59 PM EDT
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Don't worry soon enough this state will be full of people either working for the government or getting handouts from the government. Either way, the government will be in control. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good, less tax dollars for the state. yea. i was getting worried our record setting economic rebounding growth was actually going a little too fast Don't worry soon enough this state will be full of people either working for the government or getting handouts from the government. Either way, the government will be in control. Check that they are already in control, how many are totally and completely dependent on the system? It won't get better unless we fight back. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 1:11:40 PM EDT
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Don't worry soon enough this state will be full of people either working for the government or getting handouts from the government. Either way, the government will be in control. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good, less tax dollars for the state. yea. i was getting worried our record setting economic rebounding growth was actually going a little too fast Don't worry soon enough this state will be full of people either working for the government or getting handouts from the government. Either way, the government will be in control. Not from us, the Princess just cancelled our next three academy classes. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 1:13:14 PM EDT
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Not from us, the Princess just cancelled our next three academy classes. You mean the Ithaca barracks wont get another cycle of fresh recruits for a while? Is your manpower strength somewhat restored now? |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 1:29:59 PM EDT
[#45]
Still low but he's punishing us for not backing him.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 3:17:16 PM EDT
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Still low but he's punishing us for not backing him. ORLY? How am I not surprised by the vindictiveness of the petty tyrant? |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 6:17:30 PM EDT
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Still low but he's punishing us for not backing him. How is not hiring recruits hurting you guys? Less manpower = more OT $$. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 7:33:34 AM EDT
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How is not hiring recruits hurting you guys? Less manpower = more OT $$. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Still low but he's punishing us for not backing him. How is not hiring recruits hurting you guys? Less manpower = more OT $$. They already have a decent amount of OT built into their standard schedule You start stacking a lot of OT on a standard 12 hour shift and it gets old pretty quick When all you're doing is working and sleeping, it gets old. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 9:22:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They already have a decent amount of OT built into their standard schedule You start stacking a lot of OT on a standard 12 hour shift and it gets old pretty quick When all you're doing is working and sleeping, it gets old. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Still low but he's punishing us for not backing him. How is not hiring recruits hurting you guys? Less manpower = more OT $$. They already have a decent amount of OT built into their standard schedule You start stacking a lot of OT on a standard 12 hour shift and it gets old pretty quick When all you're doing is working and sleeping, it gets old. and eventually dangerous. I've always thought mandatory rest periods were a good idea for leo/fire/ems .. pilots and truck drivers are subject to it, i know i would certainly appreciate it. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 11:32:20 AM EDT
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and eventually dangerous. I've always thought mandatory rest periods were a good idea for leo/fire/ems .. pilots and truck drivers are subject to it, i know i would certainly appreciate it. The only limitation here is you can't work more than a double shift, and there are still guys who slip around that limit from time to time. Factor in outside jobs that your primary employer isn't tracking and it gets pretty easy to start slipping up into some major hours over the course of a week |
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