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Posted: 7/30/2014 10:48:30 AM EDT
This was sent to me, and quite honestly I don't have the answer yet, still I though I'd throw it out fot he arm-chair experts.
I had a question from a fellow duck hunter. He and his buddy or two were duck hunting on the St. Lawrence River last fall within the boundaries of New York State. Upon boarding their boat they did the normal boat safety inspection, asked them to produce their hunting licenses and inspected their guns. During this process they recorded the make, model and serial numbers of each shotgun. We are not required to register this type of firearm in New York, is the Coast Guard within the law by asking for licenses, inspecting firearms and recording makes, models and serial numbers? What happens to this information recorded by the Coast Guard? Any insight would be appreciated. |
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Posted: 7/30/2014 11:45:25 AM EDT
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Coasties are DHS now, Holder has the information.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 12:14:08 PM EDT
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Coasties are DHS now, Holder has the information. heck even vol fire departments get stuff for the DHS. I see the mail all the time at my house from DHS for my son. Hes a local vol. fire fighter |
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Posted: 7/30/2014 1:05:32 PM EDT
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This was sent to me, and quite honestly I don't have the answer yet, still I though I'd throw it out fot he arm-chair experts.
I had a question from a fellow duck hunter. He and his buddy or two were duck hunting on the St. Lawrence River last fall within the boundaries of New York State. Upon boarding their boat they did the normal boat safety inspection, asked them to produce their hunting licenses and inspected their guns. During this process they recorded the make, model and serial numbers of each shotgun. We are not required to register this type of firearm in New York, is the Coast Guard within the law by asking for licenses, inspecting firearms and recording makes, models and serial numbers? What happens to this information recorded by the Coast Guard? Any insight would be appreciated. Ok so I did my share of boarding when I was attached to my MSST and I can tell you we never checked weapons other than if they were suspected of being illegal. Basically unless it looked like an AK we didn't even bother aside from asking the coxswain to declare all firearms and secure them on deck with a watchman. Recording a shotgun serial seems bizarre to tell the truth, especially since the majority of us puddle pirates are way to lazy to even check the life preservers. Maybe E-4 Coastie has a different experience but mine personally tells me that either a directive has changed or these weekend warrior reservists (assuming reserve since that's who causes trouble :P) were really bored! |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 5:37:38 PM EDT
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Ok so I did my share of boarding when I was attached to my MSST and I can tell you we never checked weapons other than if they were suspected of being illegal. Basically unless it looked like an AK we didn't even bother aside from asking the coxswain to declare all firearms and secure them on deck with a watchman. Recording a shotgun serial seems bizarre to tell the truth, especially since the majority of us puddle pirates are way to lazy to even check the life preservers. Maybe E-4 Coastie has a different experience but mine personally tells me that either a directive has changed or these weekend warrior reservists (assuming reserve since that's who causes trouble :P) were really bored! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This was sent to me, and quite honestly I don't have the answer yet, still I though I'd throw it out fot he arm-chair experts.
I had a question from a fellow duck hunter. He and his buddy or two were duck hunting on the St. Lawrence River last fall within the boundaries of New York State. Upon boarding their boat they did the normal boat safety inspection, asked them to produce their hunting licenses and inspected their guns. During this process they recorded the make, model and serial numbers of each shotgun. We are not required to register this type of firearm in New York, is the Coast Guard within the law by asking for licenses, inspecting firearms and recording makes, models and serial numbers? What happens to this information recorded by the Coast Guard? Any insight would be appreciated. Ok so I did my share of boarding when I was attached to my MSST and I can tell you we never checked weapons other than if they were suspected of being illegal. Basically unless it looked like an AK we didn't even bother aside from asking the coxswain to declare all firearms and secure them on deck with a watchman. Recording a shotgun serial seems bizarre to tell the truth, especially since the majority of us puddle pirates are way to lazy to even check the life preservers. Maybe E-4 Coastie has a different experience but mine personally tells me that either a directive has changed or these weekend warrior reservists (assuming reserve since that's who causes trouble :P) were really bored! my ears were ringing.... too busy figuring out where to eat lunch to care there are a lot of what-ifs in this post Recreational Boarding procedure SOPs obligate the Coastie to ask if there are weapons on board, Commandant Instruction says "must" record the serial numbers of title II firearms and "may"(but encouraged to) record all other firearm serial numbers. but if those weapons are not declared ..... whose to say you have any as long as none are in plain sight... that being said that info may or may not be recorded on the "4100 form" by the Boarding Officer and submitted to the Boat Station then inputted in the 4100 database then transmitted to the server then evaluated then cross checked with NCIC... blah blah blah... the short story is if you have guns in plain sight or someplace where the CG would have cause to go (IE:under a bilge plate)during the initial safety inspection you are better off declaring them to minimize the hassle. ...or the long story is... do you have any guns on board? nope whats that? an anchor looks like a shotgun to me yeah but i use for an anchor but... wait, what? gee nobody ever told me if i should record the serial number off an anchor...ahh fuck it and so it goes dont invite the man into your life especially when the the man is an 19 yr old kid who just got finishrd watching COPS and doent know any better than to drink Kool-aid |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:30:50 AM EDT
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my ears were ringing.... too busy figuring out where to eat lunch to care there are a lot of what-ifs in this post Recreational Boarding procedure SOPs obligate the Coastie to ask if there are weapons on board, Commandant Instruction says "must" record the serial numbers of title II firearms and "may"(but encouraged to) record all other firearm serial numbers. but if those weapons are not declared ..... whose to say you have any as long as none are in plain sight... that being said that info may or may not be recorded on the "4100 form" by the Boarding Officer and submitted to the Boat Station then inputted in the 4100 database then transmitted to the server then evaluated then cross checked with NCIC... blah blah blah... the short story is if you have guns in plain sight or someplace where the CG would have cause to go (IE:under a bilge plate)during the initial safety inspection you are better off declaring them to minimize the hassle. ...or the long story is... do you have any guns on board? nope whats that? an anchor looks like a shotgun to me yeah but i use for an anchor but... wait, what? gee nobody ever told me if i should record the serial number off an anchor...ahh fuck it and so it goes dont invite the man into your life especially when the the man is an 19 yr old kid who just got finishrd watching COPS and doent know any better than to drink Kool-aid Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This was sent to me, and quite honestly I don't have the answer yet, still I though I'd throw it out fot he arm-chair experts.
I had a question from a fellow duck hunter. He and his buddy or two were duck hunting on the St. Lawrence River last fall within the boundaries of New York State. Upon boarding their boat they did the normal boat safety inspection, asked them to produce their hunting licenses and inspected their guns. During this process they recorded the make, model and serial numbers of each shotgun. We are not required to register this type of firearm in New York, is the Coast Guard within the law by asking for licenses, inspecting firearms and recording makes, models and serial numbers? What happens to this information recorded by the Coast Guard? Any insight would be appreciated. Ok so I did my share of boarding when I was attached to my MSST and I can tell you we never checked weapons other than if they were suspected of being illegal. Basically unless it looked like an AK we didn't even bother aside from asking the coxswain to declare all firearms and secure them on deck with a watchman. Recording a shotgun serial seems bizarre to tell the truth, especially since the majority of us puddle pirates are way to lazy to even check the life preservers. Maybe E-4 Coastie has a different experience but mine personally tells me that either a directive has changed or these weekend warrior reservists (assuming reserve since that's who causes trouble :P) were really bored! my ears were ringing.... too busy figuring out where to eat lunch to care there are a lot of what-ifs in this post Recreational Boarding procedure SOPs obligate the Coastie to ask if there are weapons on board, Commandant Instruction says "must" record the serial numbers of title II firearms and "may"(but encouraged to) record all other firearm serial numbers. but if those weapons are not declared ..... whose to say you have any as long as none are in plain sight... that being said that info may or may not be recorded on the "4100 form" by the Boarding Officer and submitted to the Boat Station then inputted in the 4100 database then transmitted to the server then evaluated then cross checked with NCIC... blah blah blah... the short story is if you have guns in plain sight or someplace where the CG would have cause to go (IE:under a bilge plate)during the initial safety inspection you are better off declaring them to minimize the hassle. ...or the long story is... do you have any guns on board? nope whats that? an anchor looks like a shotgun to me yeah but i use for an anchor but... wait, what? gee nobody ever told me if i should record the serial number off an anchor...ahh fuck it and so it goes dont invite the man into your life especially when the the man is an 19 yr old kid who just got finishrd watching COPS and doent know any better than to drink Kool-aid Or if that kid is a reservist 
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