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Posted: 5/6/2015 8:18:46 PM EDT
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No sir I didn't. To me it's just coming across as if LEO's are greater than thou. If I get arrested for DWI, I immediately loose my job before DA packet gets to courthouse... So much for innocent until proven guilty... Same scenario as I said above, I loose my job. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dont like it, petition the state. And if it was legal to be armed and drunk at the same time, I wouldnt be on a mission to make it illegal either. But its unlikely this will be going away. In the world we live in, there are better battles to fight that wont make one look dumb. What would that campaign look like " I want to carry while DRUNK because its my right ". Good luck with that one. You realize it is generally legal to carry while drunk right? LEOS are fully exempt. CHLs can not carry handgun drunk. Non-CHLs cannot carry handgun drunk while in car. That is about it. Pretty much all other guns (rifles, etc) can be carried drunk by anybody, anywhere. So follow your own advice - "Don't like it, petition the state". Let's say I was on private property shooting. Someone calls the police and my boss shows up and see's me with a pistol, rifle or shotgun in my possession while consuming alcohol. I would immediately be stripped of my badge and ID. So how am I exempt? Perhaps you missed the part where I used the word "Legal"? No sir I didn't. To me it's just coming across as if LEO's are greater than thou. If I get arrested for DWI, I immediately loose my job before DA packet gets to courthouse... So much for innocent until proven guilty... Same scenario as I said above, I loose my job. You getting fired from your job is not a criminal court process. "Innocent before proven guilty" has no meaning whatsoever within a private employee / employer contract. Not the first time i've seen an LE on this board conflate the two. And, by the way, your's is not the only job where getting arrested (not convicted) for DUI will result in being fired. Plenty of employers have that stance. |
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Posted: 5/6/2015 8:25:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You realize it is generally legal to carry while drunk right? LEOS are fully exempt. CHLs can not carry handgun drunk. Non-CHLs cannot carry handgun drunk while in car. That is about it. Pretty much all other guns (rifles, etc) can be carried drunk by anybody, anywhere. So follow your own advice - "Don't like it, petition the state". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Dont like it, petition the state. And if it was legal to be armed and drunk at the same time, I wouldnt be on a mission to make it illegal either. But its unlikely this will be going away. In the world we live in, there are better battles to fight that wont make one look dumb. What would that campaign look like " I want to carry while DRUNK because its my right ". Good luck with that one. You realize it is generally legal to carry while drunk right? LEOS are fully exempt. CHLs can not carry handgun drunk. Non-CHLs cannot carry handgun drunk while in car. That is about it. Pretty much all other guns (rifles, etc) can be carried drunk by anybody, anywhere. So follow your own advice - "Don't like it, petition the state". We arent talking about generally. We are talking about DWI + UCW or CHL Carry. We werent talking about long guns. Different subject. |
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Posted: 5/6/2015 8:27:34 PM EDT
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And if it was legal to be armed and drunk at the same time.... For curiosity's sake... what makes you concerned about "armed and drunk" in our earlier hypothetical of a guy wearing his .45 while having some beers at the bar? Or, to stay closer to topic: Why should a handgun in the console of a vehicle being operated by an intoxicated driver be illegal? What is the concern factor here? |
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Posted: 5/6/2015 8:28:31 PM EDT
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I've been saying for decades the switchblades should be legal as any other knife. But, being DRUNK and armed is not mere possession, by its own description. I may be in the minority around here on this opinion, but thats my opinion. One should educate thy-self before going armed on when its CURRENTLY not legal to do some things while armed. Theres a segment of the population who refuses to get a CHL. " they arent putting ME on a list ". Well, if you did get the CHL, even if you dont want to use it, you would have been told carrying while armed is illegal, CHL or not, most likely. Maybe someone wouldn't have had their gun with them if they are a stupid drunk by practice. Dont like it, petition the state. And if it was legal to be armed and drunk at the same time, I wouldnt be on a mission to make it illegal either. But its unlikely this will be going away. In the world we live in, there are better battles to fight that wont make one look dumb. What would that campaign look like " I want to carry while DRUNK because its my right ". Good luck with that one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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UCW just needs to go in general. TINLEG nailed it, just mere possession should not be a crime. When you carve out special snowflake niches for this and that the law becomes to cumbersome, for the enforcers and enforcees. I'm sooooo glad automatic knives got removed from the prohibited list. 
I've been saying for decades the switchblades should be legal as any other knife. But, being DRUNK and armed is not mere possession, by its own description. I may be in the minority around here on this opinion, but thats my opinion. One should educate thy-self before going armed on when its CURRENTLY not legal to do some things while armed. Theres a segment of the population who refuses to get a CHL. " they arent putting ME on a list ". Well, if you did get the CHL, even if you dont want to use it, you would have been told carrying while armed is illegal, CHL or not, most likely. Maybe someone wouldn't have had their gun with them if they are a stupid drunk by practice. Dont like it, petition the state. And if it was legal to be armed and drunk at the same time, I wouldnt be on a mission to make it illegal either. But its unlikely this will be going away. In the world we live in, there are better battles to fight that wont make one look dumb. What would that campaign look like " I want to carry while DRUNK because its my right ". Good luck with that one. |
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Posted: 5/6/2015 8:29:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For curiosity's sake... what makes you concerned about "armed and drunk" in our earlier hypothetical of a guy wearing his .45 while having some beers at the bar? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And if it was legal to be armed and drunk at the same time.... For curiosity's sake... what makes you concerned about "armed and drunk" in our earlier hypothetical of a guy wearing his .45 while having some beers at the bar? Quote the whole thing. I didnt say having a beer while wearing his 45. I said wearing his .45 and toasted ( or DRUNK ) |
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Posted: 5/6/2015 8:30:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Spoke to my buddy a while ago. He met with his attorney who said he most likely won't get the gun back. Again, congrats and high fives all around for the gun grabbers and police for getting another gun off the street. He started out legal just like any other day and drank too much that evening and for that lost not only his gun but the right to defend himself. Yeah, I know, he did it to himself. But that gun or another one has been a fixture in his truck for years as he travels in some pretty rough areas in his business. Not many people even knew it was there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: UCW just needs to go in general. TINLEG nailed it, just mere possession should not be a crime. When you carve out special snowflake niches for this and that the law becomes to cumbersome, for the enforcers and enforcees. I'm sooooo glad automatic knives got removed from the prohibited list. I've been saying for decades the switchblades should be legal as any other knife. But, being DRUNK and armed is not mere possession, by its own description. I may be in the minority around here on this opinion, but thats my opinion. One should educate thy-self before going armed on when its CURRENTLY not legal to do some things while armed. Theres a segment of the population who refuses to get a CHL. " they arent putting ME on a list ". Well, if you did get the CHL, even if you dont want to use it, you would have been told carrying while armed is illegal, CHL or not, most likely. Maybe someone wouldn't have had their gun with them if they are a stupid drunk by practice. Dont like it, petition the state. And if it was legal to be armed and drunk at the same time, I wouldnt be on a mission to make it illegal either. But its unlikely this will be going away. In the world we live in, there are better battles to fight that wont make one look dumb. What would that campaign look like " I want to carry while DRUNK because its my right ". Good luck with that one. He should have known where his gun was, and not driven drunk. |
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Posted: 5/6/2015 8:31:36 PM EDT
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Quote the whole thing. I didnt say having a beer while wearing his 45. I said wearing his .45 and toasted ( or DRUNK ) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And if it was legal to be armed and drunk at the same time.... For curiosity's sake... what makes you concerned about "armed and drunk" in our earlier hypothetical of a guy wearing his .45 while having some beers at the bar? Quote the whole thing. I didnt say having a beer while wearing his 45. I said wearing his .45 and toasted ( or DRUNK ) What's the difference? ETA: Seriously. If you can explain the difference it makes to you, it may answer the question. |
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Posted: 5/6/2015 8:32:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For curiosity's sake... what makes you concerned about "armed and drunk" in our earlier hypothetical of a guy wearing his .45 while having some beers at the bar? Or, to stay closer to topic: Why should a handgun in the console of a vehicle being operated by an intoxicated driver be illegal? What is the concern factor here? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And if it was legal to be armed and drunk at the same time.... For curiosity's sake... what makes you concerned about "armed and drunk" in our earlier hypothetical of a guy wearing his .45 while having some beers at the bar? Or, to stay closer to topic: Why should a handgun in the console of a vehicle being operated by an intoxicated driver be illegal? What is the concern factor here? Drunk, High, stoned, wasted, no rational reason to be armed, period. Especially in public. |
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Posted: 5/6/2015 8:32:58 PM EDT
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Spoke to my buddy a while ago. He met with his attorney who said he most likely won't get the gun back. Again, congrats and high fives all around for the gun grabbers and police for getting another gun off the street. He started out legal just like any other day and drank too much that evening and for that lost not only his gun but the right to defend himself. Yeah, I know, he did it to himself. But that gun or another one has been a fixture in his truck for years as he travels in some pretty rough areas in his business. Not many people even knew it was there. How did he lose his right to defend himself? He hasn't even lost his right to own guns.... |
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Posted: 5/6/2015 8:38:17 PM EDT
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Drunk, High, stoned, wasted, no rational reason to be armed, period. Especially in public. From your "especially in public" comment it appears you also think being in control of a firearm while 'drunk' should be illegal in private or on private land as well. Do you think so? I surmise a drunk person may wish to be armed for the same reasons any other person may wish to. But i'm not really interested in discussing motivations or reasons. I'm interested in discovering and understanding your thought processes on why it should be illegal. Perhaps to ask a question another way: What is immoral about wearing a gun on your hip and drinking enough to blow a .08 or higher? Is it immoral to have a pistol in the center console of a vehicle? (I presume everyone agrees the answer to this is no) Why does the firearm in the console suddenly become immoral when the operator is DUI? |
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Posted: 5/6/2015 8:42:27 PM EDT
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I'm interested in discovering why you feel it should be illegal. Only for handguns, and not LEOs. The logic is silly. Like guzzle before you drive law. |
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Posted: 5/6/2015 9:32:36 PM EDT
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How did he lose his right to defend himself? He hasn't even lost his right to own guns.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Spoke to my buddy a while ago. He met with his attorney who said he most likely won't get the gun back. Again, congrats and high fives all around for the gun grabbers and police for getting another gun off the street. He started out legal just like any other day and drank too much that evening and for that lost not only his gun but the right to defend himself. Yeah, I know, he did it to himself. But that gun or another one has been a fixture in his truck for years as he travels in some pretty rough areas in his business. Not many people even knew it was there. How did he lose his right to defend himself? He hasn't even lost his right to own guns.... Not a literal right as he has other guns and can buy another one but if it had been his only gun and he couldn't afford to replace it... It was more important to disarm him, after all protection is what the police are for. (sarcasm) I was reading other comments and it made me think in the days when a gun was a survival tool. You get drunk in a cantina while armed you get thrown in jail and might get pistol whipped if you're belligerent but when you sober up and pay the fine you got your gun back. Because it was your property and you had a right to it to defend yourself. |
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Posted: 5/6/2015 9:59:18 PM EDT
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Spoke to my buddy a while ago. He met with his attorney who said he most likely won't get the gun back. Again, congrats and high fives all around for the gun grabbers and police for getting another gun off the street. He started out legal just like any other day and drank too much that evening and for that lost not only his gun but the right to defend himself. Yeah, I know, he did it to himself. But that gun or another one has been a fixture in his truck for years as he travels in some pretty rough areas in his business. Not many people even knew it was there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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UCW just needs to go in general. TINLEG nailed it, just mere possession should not be a crime. When you carve out special snowflake niches for this and that the law becomes to cumbersome, for the enforcers and enforcees. I'm sooooo glad automatic knives got removed from the prohibited list.
I've been saying for decades the switchblades should be legal as any other knife. But, being DRUNK and armed is not mere possession, by its own description. I may be in the minority around here on this opinion, but thats my opinion. One should educate thy-self before going armed on when its CURRENTLY not legal to do some things while armed. Theres a segment of the population who refuses to get a CHL. " they arent putting ME on a list ". Well, if you did get the CHL, even if you dont want to use it, you would have been told carrying while armed is illegal, CHL or not, most likely. Maybe someone wouldn't have had their gun with them if they are a stupid drunk by practice. Dont like it, petition the state. And if it was legal to be armed and drunk at the same time, I wouldnt be on a mission to make it illegal either. But its unlikely this will be going away. In the world we live in, there are better battles to fight that wont make one look dumb. What would that campaign look like " I want to carry while DRUNK because its my right ". Good luck with that one. Your criticism of the police is misplaced and juvenile. The comments about "gun grabbers" are just inane. |
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Posted: 5/6/2015 10:04:15 PM EDT
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Your criticism of the police is misplaced and juvenile. The comments about "gun grabbers" are just inane. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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UCW just needs to go in general. TINLEG nailed it, just mere possession should not be a crime. When you carve out special snowflake niches for this and that the law becomes to cumbersome, for the enforcers and enforcees. I'm sooooo glad automatic knives got removed from the prohibited list.
I've been saying for decades the switchblades should be legal as any other knife. But, being DRUNK and armed is not mere possession, by its own description. I may be in the minority around here on this opinion, but thats my opinion. One should educate thy-self before going armed on when its CURRENTLY not legal to do some things while armed. Theres a segment of the population who refuses to get a CHL. " they arent putting ME on a list ". Well, if you did get the CHL, even if you dont want to use it, you would have been told carrying while armed is illegal, CHL or not, most likely. Maybe someone wouldn't have had their gun with them if they are a stupid drunk by practice. Dont like it, petition the state. And if it was legal to be armed and drunk at the same time, I wouldnt be on a mission to make it illegal either. But its unlikely this will be going away. In the world we live in, there are better battles to fight that wont make one look dumb. What would that campaign look like " I want to carry while DRUNK because its my right ". Good luck with that one. Your criticism of the police is misplaced and juvenile. The comments about "gun grabbers" are just inane. You've inspired me, I need a membership and an ignore button. |
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Posted: 5/6/2015 11:03:55 PM EDT
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You've inspired me, I need a membership and an ignore button. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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UCW just needs to go in general. TINLEG nailed it, just mere possession should not be a crime. When you carve out special snowflake niches for this and that the law becomes to cumbersome, for the enforcers and enforcees. I'm sooooo glad automatic knives got removed from the prohibited list.
I've been saying for decades the switchblades should be legal as any other knife. But, being DRUNK and armed is not mere possession, by its own description. I may be in the minority around here on this opinion, but thats my opinion. One should educate thy-self before going armed on when its CURRENTLY not legal to do some things while armed. Theres a segment of the population who refuses to get a CHL. " they arent putting ME on a list ". Well, if you did get the CHL, even if you dont want to use it, you would have been told carrying while armed is illegal, CHL or not, most likely. Maybe someone wouldn't have had their gun with them if they are a stupid drunk by practice. Dont like it, petition the state. And if it was legal to be armed and drunk at the same time, I wouldnt be on a mission to make it illegal either. But its unlikely this will be going away. In the world we live in, there are better battles to fight that wont make one look dumb. What would that campaign look like " I want to carry while DRUNK because its my right ". Good luck with that one. Your criticism of the police is misplaced and juvenile. The comments about "gun grabbers" are just inane. You've inspired me, I need a membership and an ignore button. 
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Posted: 5/7/2015 8:55:00 AM EDT
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"Juvenile, inane"
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Posted: 5/7/2015 9:58:32 AM EDT
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So in your opinon its okay to drive drunk? Lets just remove all of section 49 from the penal code? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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at your buddy driving drunk..... Thank god this DRUNK didn't kill someone! He drove drunk, broke two laws and I hope he doesn't get his gun back and it is destroyed...
Maybe this will be enough to teach him a lesson to phone a friend or a cab.... ZERO TOLERANCE FOR DRUNK DRIVERS Apparently, a local MADD chapter is missing their spokesperson. So in your opinon its okay to drive drunk? Lets just remove all of section 49 from the penal code? It was legal for years to drink and drive in Texas before we had fancy equipment to tell how drunk we were. Op's friend having a gun and possibly losing it has nothing to do with drunk driving in my way of thinking but Texas law differs with my view. OP's friend should have kept his mouth shut about the gun but was trying to do the right thing. Another thing if you are ever carrying a gun and get picked up for any reason by a cop do not let them take you into the jail with the gun in your pocket you will go from a relatively low charge into a felony even though you are not going of your own will. |
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Posted: 5/7/2015 10:02:20 AM EDT
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"Juvenile, inane" Folks, this is why people equate cops with hypocrite losers ^.Are you a cop? The reason I ask is because I equate those terms with '15ers. |
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Posted: 5/7/2015 10:05:02 AM EDT
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so because he was so intoxicated he decided to drive over calling a cab. Has nothing to do with gun grabbers has to do with someone so impaired he was not thinking correctly.
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Spoke to my buddy a while ago. He met with his attorney who said he most likely won't get the gun back. Again, congrats and high fives all around for the gun grabbers and police for getting another gun off the street. He started out legal just like any other day and drank too much that evening and for that lost not only his gun but the right to defend himself. Yeah, I know, he did it to himself. But that gun or another one has been a fixture in his truck for years as he travels in some pretty rough areas in his business. Not many people even knew it was there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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UCW just needs to go in general. TINLEG nailed it, just mere possession should not be a crime. When you carve out special snowflake niches for this and that the law becomes to cumbersome, for the enforcers and enforcees. I'm sooooo glad automatic knives got removed from the prohibited list.
I've been saying for decades the switchblades should be legal as any other knife. But, being DRUNK and armed is not mere possession, by its own description. I may be in the minority around here on this opinion, but thats my opinion. One should educate thy-self before going armed on when its CURRENTLY not legal to do some things while armed. Theres a segment of the population who refuses to get a CHL. " they arent putting ME on a list ". Well, if you did get the CHL, even if you dont want to use it, you would have been told carrying while armed is illegal, CHL or not, most likely. Maybe someone wouldn't have had their gun with them if they are a stupid drunk by practice. Dont like it, petition the state. And if it was legal to be armed and drunk at the same time, I wouldnt be on a mission to make it illegal either. But its unlikely this will be going away. In the world we live in, there are better battles to fight that wont make one look dumb. What would that campaign look like " I want to carry while DRUNK because its my right ". Good luck with that one. |
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Posted: 5/7/2015 10:14:13 AM EDT
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"Juvenile, inane" Folks, this is why people equate cops with hypocrite losers ^.You gone to wear out that ignore button when you get it. Hell I paid my money and I want all my moneys worth. I don't use no stinking ignore button edit the red quote referred to a reply I deleted about the DEA agent who got into trouble at his bachelor party at a Houston strip club years ago......... |
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Posted: 5/7/2015 10:14:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Spoke to my buddy a while ago. He met with his attorney who said he most likely won't get the gun back. Again, congrats and high fives all around for the gun grabbers and police for getting another gun off the street. He started out legal just like any other day and drank too much that evening and for that lost not only his gun but the right to defend himself. Yeah, I know, he did it to himself. But that gun or another one has been a fixture in his truck for years as he travels in some pretty rough areas in his business. Not many people even knew it was there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: UCW just needs to go in general. TINLEG nailed it, just mere possession should not be a crime. When you carve out special snowflake niches for this and that the law becomes to cumbersome, for the enforcers and enforcees. I'm sooooo glad automatic knives got removed from the prohibited list. I've been saying for decades the switchblades should be legal as any other knife. But, being DRUNK and armed is not mere possession, by its own description. I may be in the minority around here on this opinion, but thats my opinion. One should educate thy-self before going armed on when its CURRENTLY not legal to do some things while armed. Theres a segment of the population who refuses to get a CHL. " they arent putting ME on a list ". Well, if you did get the CHL, even if you dont want to use it, you would have been told carrying while armed is illegal, CHL or not, most likely. Maybe someone wouldn't have had their gun with them if they are a stupid drunk by practice. Dont like it, petition the state. And if it was legal to be armed and drunk at the same time, I wouldnt be on a mission to make it illegal either. But its unlikely this will be going away. In the world we live in, there are better battles to fight that wont make one look dumb. What would that campaign look like " I want to carry while DRUNK because its my right ". Good luck with that one. I am sure he is a real good guy. I have nothing at all against your buddy, except he wasn't smart enough to know to wait after drinking, to drive. You have to know this?? The people who don't know this end up getting what they get. It sucks sometimes. I hope your buddy learns his lesson in life with the minimal amount of pain possible. But whatever pain he does experience pales in comparison to all the families who have lost members permanently, or maybe even worse yet, spend a lifetime taking care of somebody who lived enough to vegatate. So pardon me if I can't muster much sympathy for your stupid inane whoa is my buddy gun grabber story. And yes quit being a freeloader and buy a membership so you can ignore me too. One of the worst threads I have seen in a long time with OP derp, but I just can't look away. |
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Posted: 5/7/2015 3:17:16 PM EDT
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"Juvenile, inane" Folks, this is why people equate cops with hypocrite losers ^.Log out. Don't come back. Our moron quota is at it's limit. You'd enjoy the Texas Hunting forum much more. |
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Posted: 5/7/2015 3:39:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: so because he was so intoxicated he decided to drive over calling a cab. Has nothing to do with gun grabbers has to do with someone so impaired he was not thinking correctly. The cab would have been way cheeper. Quote HistoryQuoted: so because he was so intoxicated he decided to drive over calling a cab. Has nothing to do with gun grabbers has to do with someone so impaired he was not thinking correctly. The cab would have been way cheeper. Exactly my point. People who are " NOT THINKING CORRECTLY " Shouldn't be armed with more than their wallet to call a taxi. |
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Posted: 5/7/2015 4:56:32 PM EDT
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"Juvenile, inane" Folks, this is why people equate cops with hypocrite losers ^.I'm not a cop. But you sound like a liberal when you resort to attacks after having no valid argument. |
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Posted: 5/7/2015 5:03:44 PM EDT
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What would be the charge if legally drunk driver had a passenger in the car? Wouldn't the passenger negate the charge since they were also in close proximity of the handgun in question? What if passenger was also drunk? Passenger can't get charged with DWI but I guess LE could force the passenger to get out of the car where they could be charged with PI (Class C charge, correct?). Where am I wrong with this logic? Quote HistoryQuoted:
What would be the charge if legally drunk driver had a passenger in the car? Wouldn't the passenger negate the charge since they were also in close proximity of the handgun in question? What if passenger was also drunk? Passenger can't get charged with DWI but I guess LE could force the passenger to get out of the car where they could be charged with PI (Class C charge, correct?). Where am I wrong with this logic? Passenger could claim the firearm if it was reasonable that it was his, AND the vehicle was owned by him/under his control. (PC 46.02) Police would not have to force anyone out of a vehicle for them to be PI. Drunk in the passenger seat of a vehicle in a public place is "public" for PI. Quoted:
Exactly my point. People who are " NOT THINKING CORRECTLY " Shouldn't be armed with more than their wallet to call a taxi. If you are attempting to make phone calls with your wallet, you probably are a danger to yourself and others 
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Posted: 5/7/2015 6:21:08 PM EDT
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Passenger could claim the firearm if it was reasonable that it was his, AND the vehicle was owned by him/under his control. (PC 46.02) Police would not have to force anyone out of a vehicle for them to be PI. Drunk in the passenger seat of a vehicle in a public place is "public" for PI. If you are attempting to make phone calls with your wallet, you probably are a danger to yourself and others Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What would be the charge if legally drunk driver had a passenger in the car? Wouldn't the passenger negate the charge since they were also in close proximity of the handgun in question? What if passenger was also drunk? Passenger can't get charged with DWI but I guess LE could force the passenger to get out of the car where they could be charged with PI (Class C charge, correct?). Where am I wrong with this logic? Passenger could claim the firearm if it was reasonable that it was his, AND the vehicle was owned by him/under his control. (PC 46.02) Police would not have to force anyone out of a vehicle for them to be PI. Drunk in the passenger seat of a vehicle in a public place is "public" for PI. Quoted:
Exactly my point. People who are " NOT THINKING CORRECTLY " Shouldn't be armed with more than their wallet to call a taxi. If you are attempting to make phone calls with your wallet, you probably are a danger to yourself and others Great information. Is being pulled over along the roadside considered "a public place"? |
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Posted: 5/7/2015 8:34:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great information. Is being pulled over along the roadside considered "a public place"? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What would be the charge if legally drunk driver had a passenger in the car? Wouldn't the passenger negate the charge since they were also in close proximity of the handgun in question? What if passenger was also drunk? Passenger can't get charged with DWI but I guess LE could force the passenger to get out of the car where they could be charged with PI (Class C charge, correct?). Where am I wrong with this logic? Passenger could claim the firearm if it was reasonable that it was his, AND the vehicle was owned by him/under his control. (PC 46.02) Police would not have to force anyone out of a vehicle for them to be PI. Drunk in the passenger seat of a vehicle in a public place is "public" for PI. Quoted: Exactly my point. People who are " NOT THINKING CORRECTLY " Shouldn't be armed with more than their wallet to call a taxi. If you are attempting to make phone calls with your wallet, you probably are a danger to yourself and others Great information. Is being pulled over along the roadside considered "a public place"? Is operating a motor vehicle on IH35 a public place? |
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Posted: 5/7/2015 8:35:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Passenger could claim the firearm if it was reasonable that it was his, AND the vehicle was owned by him/under his control. (PC 46.02) Police would not have to force anyone out of a vehicle for them to be PI. Drunk in the passenger seat of a vehicle in a public place is "public" for PI. If you are attempting to make phone calls with your wallet, you probably are a danger to yourself and others Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What would be the charge if legally drunk driver had a passenger in the car? Wouldn't the passenger negate the charge since they were also in close proximity of the handgun in question? What if passenger was also drunk? Passenger can't get charged with DWI but I guess LE could force the passenger to get out of the car where they could be charged with PI (Class C charge, correct?). Where am I wrong with this logic? Passenger could claim the firearm if it was reasonable that it was his, AND the vehicle was owned by him/under his control. (PC 46.02) Police would not have to force anyone out of a vehicle for them to be PI. Drunk in the passenger seat of a vehicle in a public place is "public" for PI. Quoted: Exactly my point. People who are " NOT THINKING CORRECTLY " Shouldn't be armed with more than their wallet to call a taxi. If you are attempting to make phone calls with your wallet, you probably are a danger to yourself and others You know what I meant.........  |
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Posted: 5/7/2015 10:28:07 PM EDT
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What would be the charge if legally drunk driver had a passenger in the car? Wouldn't the passenger negate the charge since they were also in close proximity of the handgun in question? What if passenger was also drunk? Passenger can't get charged with DWI but I guess LE could force the passenger to get out of the car where they could be charged with PI (Class C charge, correct?). Where am I wrong with this logic? Passenger could claim the firearm if it was reasonable that it was his, AND the vehicle was owned by him/under his control. (PC 46.02) Police would not have to force anyone out of a vehicle for them to be PI. Drunk in the passenger seat of a vehicle in a public place is "public" for PI. Quoted:
Exactly my point. People who are " NOT THINKING CORRECTLY " Shouldn't be armed with more than their wallet to call a taxi. If you are attempting to make phone calls with your wallet, you probably are a danger to yourself and others Great information. Is being pulled over along the roadside considered "a public place"? Is operating a motor vehicle on IH35 a public place? Is it procedure to charge passengers with PI? Or do they talk themselves into that charge? What is your agency's policy about carrying a firearm when drinking? |
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Posted: 5/7/2015 11:44:35 PM EDT
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I'm not a cop. But you sound like a liberal when you resort to attacks after having no valid argument. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Juvenile, inane" Folks, this is why people equate cops with hypocrite losers ^.I'm not a cop. But you sound like a liberal when you resort to attacks after having no valid argument. But you just play one? I'm not a Liberal either. And if you don't think most cops in the Austin area, where guns are bad and 'guns for food vouchers' is good, and rather you don't have them then your thinking is retarded, Sir. So don't let the door hit you in the ass. And you can take that other retard, Charr, with you. |
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Posted: 5/7/2015 11:46:50 PM EDT
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But you just play one? I'm not a Liberal either. And if you don't think most cops in the Austin area, where guns are bad and 'guns for food vouchers' is good, and rather you don't have them then your thinking is retarded, Sir. So don't let the door hit you in the ass. And you can take that other retard, Charr, with you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Juvenile, inane" Folks, this is why people equate cops with hypocrite losers ^.I'm not a cop. But you sound like a liberal when you resort to attacks after having no valid argument. But you just play one? I'm not a Liberal either. And if you don't think most cops in the Austin area, where guns are bad and 'guns for food vouchers' is good, and rather you don't have them then your thinking is retarded, Sir. So don't let the door hit you in the ass. And you can take that other retard, Charr, with you. Zaminski lives!!!!!!!! |
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Posted: 5/7/2015 11:54:47 PM EDT
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But you just play one? I'm not a Liberal either. And if you don't think most cops in the Austin area, where guns are bad and 'guns for food vouchers' is good, and rather you don't have them then your thinking is retarded, Sir. So don't let the door hit you in the ass. And you can take that other retard, Charr, with you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Juvenile, inane" Folks, this is why people equate cops with hypocrite losers ^.I'm not a cop. But you sound like a liberal when you resort to attacks after having no valid argument. But you just play one? I'm not a Liberal either. And if you don't think most cops in the Austin area, where guns are bad and 'guns for food vouchers' is good, and rather you don't have them then your thinking is retarded, Sir. So don't let the door hit you in the ass. And you can take that other retard, Charr, with you. You fail at grammar and life. |
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Posted: 5/8/2015 12:17:07 AM EDT
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"Juvenile, inane" Folks, this is why people equate cops with hypocrite losers ^.I'm not a cop. But you sound like a liberal when you resort to attacks after having no valid argument. But you just play one? I'm not a Liberal either. And if you don't think most cops in the Austin area, where guns are bad and 'guns for food vouchers' is good, and rather you don't have them then your thinking is retarded, Sir. So don't let the door hit you in the ass. And you can take that other retard, Charr, with you. You fail at grammar and life. It's "generic, ad hominem insults because I'm a loser" time.^ |
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Posted: 5/8/2015 12:59:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's "generic, ad hominem insults because I'm a loser" time.^ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You fail at grammar and life. It's "generic, ad hominem insults because I'm a loser" time.^ And telling other folks to hit the road? |
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Posted: 5/8/2015 1:03:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's "generic, ad hominem insults because I'm a loser" time.^ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "Juvenile, inane" Folks, this is why people equate cops with hypocrite losers ^.I'm not a cop. But you sound like a liberal when you resort to attacks after having no valid argument. But you just play one? I'm not a Liberal either. And if you don't think most cops in the Austin area, where guns are bad and 'guns for food vouchers' is good, and rather you don't have them then your thinking is retarded, Sir. So don't let the door hit you in the ass. And you can take that other retard, Charr, with you. You fail at grammar and life. It's "generic, ad hominem insults because I'm a loser" time.^ |
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Posted: 5/8/2015 7:30:18 AM EDT
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But you just play one? I'm not a Liberal either. And if you don't think most cops in the Austin area, where guns are bad and 'guns for food vouchers' is good, and rather you don't have them then your thinking is retarded, Sir. So don't let the door hit you in the ass. And you can take that other retard, Charr, with you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Juvenile, inane" Folks, this is why people equate cops with hypocrite losers ^.I'm not a cop. But you sound like a liberal when you resort to attacks after having no valid argument. But you just play one? I'm not a Liberal either. And if you don't think most cops in the Austin area, where guns are bad and 'guns for food vouchers' is good, and rather you don't have them then your thinking is retarded, Sir. So don't let the door hit you in the ass. And you can take that other retard, Charr, with you. Play one? WTF does that even mean? I didn't write that you are liberal, just that you act like one. Your next sentence is nonsensical. ( and you call me retarded...) Door hit me on the ass? Again, WTF does that even mean? |
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Posted: 5/8/2015 7:39:55 AM EDT
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But you just play one? I'm not a Liberal either. And if you don't think most cops in the Austin area, where guns are bad and 'guns for food vouchers' is good, and rather you don't have them then your thinking is retarded, Sir. So don't let the door hit you in the ass. And you can take that other retard, Charr, with you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Juvenile, inane" Folks, this is why people equate cops with hypocrite losers ^.I'm not a cop. But you sound like a liberal when you resort to attacks after having no valid argument. But you just play one? I'm not a Liberal either. And if you don't think most cops in the Austin area, where guns are bad and 'guns for food vouchers' is good, and rather you don't have them then your thinking is retarded, Sir. So don't let the door hit you in the ass. And you can take that other retard, Charr, with you. COC 6 |
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Posted: 5/8/2015 7:40:37 AM EDT
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