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Posted: 1/26/2015 9:35:17 PM EDT
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What's ATFP-41?
Does the Tarrant County Sheriff still sign? |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 9:54:18 PM EDT
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What's ATFP-41? Does the Tarrant County Sheriff still sign? For $130 you don't have to worry about again! The ATF admitted it is so backlogged from letters it will take 2 years before they can even start entertaining it. Hopefully by then we will not have an anti gun president who will trash that piece of shit rule. On the back burner because the ATF put it on the back burner. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 9:59:56 PM EDT
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ATF-41p isn't in effect yet, and may or may not be delayed. Shall sign may or may not be required long term.
TSRA spends a lot of time doing the coalition building necessary to pass bills. This session the priorities are removing CHL off limits locations (HB 308 and the most important to me) and OC. 2 years ago there was a ruckus that TSRA wasn't supporting OC. TSRA tries to advance legislation in the same priority as its members want. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 10:03:53 PM EDT
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What's ATFP-41? Does the Tarrant County Sheriff still sign? ATF41p was the bull shit rule that obummer tried to force quickly on the ATF that closes a what idiots call a "loop hole" making trusts and corporations get LEO signature for NFA. Right now trust and corps are exempt from that one step. Although there is literally no evidence to support that people use it as a loop hole obummer wanted to get rid of that part. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 10:16:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ATF41p was the bull shit rule that obummer tried to force quickly on the ATF that closes a what idiots call a "loop hole" making trusts and corporations get LEO signature for NFA. Right now trust and corps are exempt from that one step. Although there is literally no evidence to support that people use it as a loop hole obummer wanted to get rid of that part. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What's ATFP-41? Does the Tarrant County Sheriff still sign? ATF41p was the bull shit rule that obummer tried to force quickly on the ATF that closes a what idiots call a "loop hole" making trusts and corporations get LEO signature for NFA. Right now trust and corps are exempt from that one step. Although there is literally no evidence to support that people use it as a loop hole obummer wanted to get rid of that part. Of course people use it as a loop hole. All kinds of people use trusts specifically because their sheriff won't sign. That said, so what? The NFA is horseshit anyways. I know, I know, Obama is a gun grabber. Yes, that is true. But, I still want to know if Tarrant County will still sign. I am thinking of moving over there this summer and one of the big incentives is getting an SBR. I want an SBR and I would actually rather have it in my name than in a trust. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 11:26:33 PM EDT
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The ATF admitted it is so backlogged from letters it will take 2 years before they can even start entertaining it. Not what ATF Director Todd Jones told me at SHOT. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 12:19:42 AM EDT
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Of course people use it as a loop hole. All kinds of people use trusts specifically because their sheriff won't sign. That said, so what? The NFA is horseshit anyways. I know, I know, Obama is a gun grabber. Yes, that is true. But, I still want to know if Tarrant County will still sign. I am thinking of moving over there this summer and one of the big incentives is getting an SBR. I want an SBR and I would actually rather have it in my name than in a trust. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's ATFP-41? Does the Tarrant County Sheriff still sign? ATF41p was the bull shit rule that obummer tried to force quickly on the ATF that closes a what idiots call a "loop hole" making trusts and corporations get LEO signature for NFA. Right now trust and corps are exempt from that one step. Although there is literally no evidence to support that people use it as a loop hole obummer wanted to get rid of that part. Of course people use it as a loop hole. All kinds of people use trusts specifically because their sheriff won't sign. That said, so what? The NFA is horseshit anyways. I know, I know, Obama is a gun grabber. Yes, that is true. But, I still want to know if Tarrant County will still sign. I am thinking of moving over there this summer and one of the big incentives is getting an SBR. I want an SBR and I would actually rather have it in my name than in a trust. Sheriff Anderson will sign, so is Chief of FWPD... IIRC |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 9:34:45 AM EDT
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TSRA can only carry 2-3 bills at a time and if they are controversial...fewer. Not surprising that "shall sign" is not a priority right now.
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Posted: 1/27/2015 1:21:23 PM EDT
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Supposedly the Williamson Co sheriff won't sign, so my question is, does it have to be the Sheriff? Can I have the chief of Round Rock PD sign if I live there? or Liberty Hill? or Cedar Park?
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Posted: 1/27/2015 2:09:48 PM EDT
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Supposedly the Williamson Co sheriff won't sign, so my question is, does it have to be the Sheriff? Can I have the chief of Round Rock PD sign if I live there? or Liberty Hill? or Cedar Park? just do a trust? |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 2:13:24 PM EDT
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Lots of people can legally sign:
Chief of Police for your city County Sheriff District Attorney Head of State Police There are others I'm missing I'm sure. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 2:28:52 PM EDT
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Not what ATF Director Todd Jones told me at SHOT. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The ATF admitted it is so backlogged from letters it will take 2 years before they can even start entertaining it. Not what ATF Director Todd Jones told me at SHOT. Out of curiosity what did Director Jones say about timeline. My suspicion is that there is a good chance it will go into effect sometime this year, but would be interested if he conveyed a more defined timeframe, 3 month, 6, 9 etc. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 2:39:58 PM EDT
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just do a trust? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Supposedly the Williamson Co sheriff won't sign, so my question is, does it have to be the Sheriff? Can I have the chief of Round Rock PD sign if I live there? or Liberty Hill? or Cedar Park? just do a trust? I have one, but I was just considering contingency plans if 41p goes thru. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 4:34:23 PM EDT
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I just sent in a Form 1 to get it signed by Sheriff Dee Anderson a week and a half ago. His secretary did say he still signs off on the NFA stuff.
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Posted: 1/27/2015 7:25:07 PM EDT
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TSRA can only carry 2-3 bills at a time and if they are controversial...fewer. Not surprising that "shall sign" is not a priority right now. Looks like OC is in trouble too. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 7:26:11 PM EDT
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Out of curiosity what did Director Jones say about timeline. My suspicion is that there is a good chance it will go into effect sometime this year, but would be interested if he conveyed a more defined timeframe, 3 month, 6, 9 etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The ATF admitted it is so backlogged from letters it will take 2 years before they can even start entertaining it. Not what ATF Director Todd Jones told me at SHOT. Out of curiosity what did Director Jones say about timeline. My suspicion is that there is a good chance it will go into effect sometime this year, but would be interested if he conveyed a more defined timeframe, 3 month, 6, 9 etc. Summer, but no specific date. I took it to mean late summer, like Sept 1. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 7:42:03 PM EDT
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Supposedly the Williamson Co sheriff won't sign, so my question is, does it have to be the Sheriff? Can I have the chief of Round Rock PD sign if I live there? or Liberty Hill? or Cedar Park? Won't sign for suppressors. Everything else is GTG. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 10:36:16 AM EDT
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Won't sign for suppressors. Everything else is GTG. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Supposedly the Williamson Co sheriff won't sign, so my question is, does it have to be the Sheriff? Can I have the chief of Round Rock PD sign if I live there? or Liberty Hill? or Cedar Park? Won't sign for suppressors. Everything else is GTG. Georgetown PD will do a standard background check and sign as long as you don't have anything outstanding (the original intent of the law). Cedar Park does not, new guy aparently from California, decided to "defer" to WILCO Sheriff. |
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Posted: 1/29/2015 8:38:43 AM EDT
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Not what ATF Director Todd Jones told me at SHOT. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The ATF admitted it is so backlogged from letters it will take 2 years before they can even start entertaining it. Not what ATF Director Todd Jones told me at SHOT. I'm just paraphrasing a letter sent out last year once the June or July deadline passed, but they could have caught up. Plus my guess is the NRA is still watching this like a hawk as this would be a national law and Texas would have no choice but the follow it if it became a law. I am not sure what reach the TSRA has in Washington? |
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Posted: 1/29/2015 8:46:40 AM EDT
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You totally missed my point, there is not one piece of evidence that anybody can find that somebody used this as a loop hole to then commit a crime with the NFA item purchased. Also you sound like an Obama bot, having a legal trust or a corp is not a loop hole. The law was written that way, that is not a loop hole.
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Of course people use it as a loop hole. All kinds of people use trusts specifically because their sheriff won't sign. That said, so what? The NFA is horseshit anyways. I know, I know, Obama is a gun grabber. Yes, that is true. But, I still want to know if Tarrant County will still sign. I am thinking of moving over there this summer and one of the big incentives is getting an SBR. I want an SBR and I would actually rather have it in my name than in a trust. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's ATFP-41? Does the Tarrant County Sheriff still sign? ATF41p was the bull shit rule that obummer tried to force quickly on the ATF that closes a what idiots call a "loop hole" making trusts and corporations get LEO signature for NFA. Right now trust and corps are exempt from that one step. Although there is literally no evidence to support that people use it as a loop hole obummer wanted to get rid of that part. Of course people use it as a loop hole. All kinds of people use trusts specifically because their sheriff won't sign. That said, so what? The NFA is horseshit anyways. I know, I know, Obama is a gun grabber. Yes, that is true. But, I still want to know if Tarrant County will still sign. I am thinking of moving over there this summer and one of the big incentives is getting an SBR. I want an SBR and I would actually rather have it in my name than in a trust. |
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Posted: 1/29/2015 1:04:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You totally missed my point, there is not one piece of evidence that anybody can find that somebody used this as a loop hole to then commit a crime with the NFA item purchased. Also you sound like an Obama bot, having a legal trust or a corp is not a loop hole. The law was written that way, that is not a loop hole. Quote HistoryQuoted: You totally missed my point, there is not one piece of evidence that anybody can find that somebody used this as a loop hole to then commit a crime with the NFA item purchased. Also you sound like an Obama bot, having a legal trust or a corp is not a loop hole. The law was written that way, that is not a loop hole. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What's ATFP-41? Does the Tarrant County Sheriff still sign? ATF41p was the bull shit rule that obummer tried to force quickly on the ATF that closes a what idiots call a "loop hole" making trusts and corporations get LEO signature for NFA. Right now trust and corps are exempt from that one step. Although there is literally no evidence to support that people use it as a loop hole obummer wanted to get rid of that part. Of course people use it as a loop hole. All kinds of people use trusts specifically because their sheriff won't sign. That said, so what? The NFA is horseshit anyways. I know, I know, Obama is a gun grabber. Yes, that is true. But, I still want to know if Tarrant County will still sign. I am thinking of moving over there this summer and one of the big incentives is getting an SBR. I want an SBR and I would actually rather have it in my name than in a trust. Well, that's not what you said. You said there was no evidence that people were using trusts to get around CLEO sign off. People are absolutely using trusts to get around CLEO sign off. You never said anything about crimes. But, I don't care that people are using it as a loophole. I think the NFA is bullshit. As for me being an "Obama bot", that's ridiculous.
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Posted: 1/29/2015 2:47:02 PM EDT
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How closely is TSRA working with the folks who fell off the derp wagon?
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Posted: 1/29/2015 3:49:09 PM EDT
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Summer, but no specific date. I took it to mean late summer, like Sept 1. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The ATF admitted it is so backlogged from letters it will take 2 years before they can even start entertaining it. Not what ATF Director Todd Jones told me at SHOT. Out of curiosity what did Director Jones say about timeline. My suspicion is that there is a good chance it will go into effect sometime this year, but would be interested if he conveyed a more defined timeframe, 3 month, 6, 9 etc. Summer, but no specific date. I took it to mean late summer, like Sept 1. At an industry roundtable with ATF and a number of distributors, that the goal for 41P was June 30, 2015 . |
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Posted: 1/29/2015 8:56:16 PM EDT
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I just sent in a Form 1 to get it signed by Sheriff Dee Anderson a week and a half ago. His secretary did say he still signs off on the NFA stuff. If he still has the same secretary, she was the nicest lady. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 5:22:50 AM EDT
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If he still has the same secretary, she was the nicest lady. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just sent in a Form 1 to get it signed by Sheriff Dee Anderson a week and a half ago. His secretary did say he still signs off on the NFA stuff. If he still has the same secretary, she was the nicest lady. Sandra Codwell I believe. But yes, it's still the same lady. I received my Form 1 back. Sent it in 1/8/2015. It was signed 1/23/2015. There was a delay since one of the Chief passed away a couple of days after I mailed it in. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 1:44:51 PM EDT
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How closely is TSRA working with the folks who fell off the derp wagon? I read on another forum that they may have reached out to the OCTC folks, but OCTC basically has gone nuclear on everyone. OCTC and Watkins met with Dan Patrick's staff late last week. Hopefully the 'cool it' message got through. http://blog.chron.com/texaspolitics/2015/01/dan-patrick-staff-meets-with-open-carry-activists/ |
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Posted: 2/6/2015 1:14:26 PM EDT
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The bill's been filed in the house, call your state reps.
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/84R/billtext/html/HB01179I.htm |
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Posted: 2/6/2015 2:57:27 PM EDT
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The bill's been filed in the house, call your state reps. http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/84R/billtext/html/HB01179I.htm http://www.house.state.tx.us/members/find-your-representative/ This URL will give you links to your state representative and state senator. |
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Posted: 2/6/2015 3:21:51 PM EDT
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Calling your senator won't do much right now but I assume a companion bill will be filed in the Senate sometime soon.
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