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Posted: 1/23/2015 9:12:19 PM EDT
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CHL on a brewery tour is a no go right? Supposed to do a tour tomorrow and just wanted to be sure. If memory serves breweries are not a named no-carry place in the law. Usually unless it is a brewpub, if they serve at all on-premises, most breweries have a small tasting room and it is free. so they almost surely don't derive 51% or more of their revenue from sales of alcohol for on-premises consumption. Unless it is 30.06 posted or you are notified by someone in charge (don't ask) it should be legal to carry. |
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Posted: 1/24/2015 5:35:30 PM EDT
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What ZIP code is the brewery located in? You can get a list of TABC licensees by ZIP code here:
http://www.tabc.state.tx.us/PublicInquiry/Roster.aspx Don't carry in locations that say "Gun Sign: RED"... |
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Posted: 1/24/2015 6:39:08 PM EDT
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Interesting, Witherspoon Distillery shows blank for gun sign, yet when I was there last year they were 51% posted.
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Posted: 1/25/2015 10:21:18 AM EDT
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if you are going to be imbibing said brews or distillations you should NOT be carrying...THAT will cost you your license.
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Posted: 1/25/2015 10:56:10 AM EDT
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if you are going to be imbibing said brews or distillations you should NOT be carrying...THAT will cost you your license. There is no law or regulation that makes it unlawful to consume alcohol while carrying. |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 5:27:57 PM EDT
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True, but after you turn in those 4 coopins you're probably legally drunk.
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Posted: 1/25/2015 9:06:18 PM EDT
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True, but after you turn in those 4 coopins you're probably legally drunk. "Legally drunk"...... What's the problem? Legally driving, legally carrying, legally drunk..... 
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:03:30 AM EDT
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Just ended up not taking it. Better safe than sorry.
Never saw a posted sign, but they were selling booze on premises. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:21:48 AM EDT
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if you are going to be imbibing said brews or distillations you should NOT be carrying...THAT will cost you your license. There is no law or regulation that makes it unlawful to consume alcohol while carrying. you are correct as usual Sir...Mea Culpa. BUT: I for one, after being stopped by John Law for what ever reason, after consuming 4 shots of a local distilleries finest while carrying my legally Concealed handgun would rather not be forced to explain it to the Judge that I was with in my rights after said street commando decided I was breaking the perceived law.. 
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:54:27 AM EDT
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Jester King in Austin has a 51 sign inside of their building but all they sell is great beer and a few sodas
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Posted: 1/26/2015 9:54:34 AM EDT
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Jester King in Austin has a 51 sign inside of their building but all they sell is great beer and a few sodas If you look up their TABC license (BG849017) it says "Gun Sign: RED". So their sign is correct. I don't know what the deal is with TABC licensees where the "Gun Sign" field is blank though... |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 3:17:33 PM EDT
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you are correct as usual Sir...Mea Culpa. BUT: I for one, after being stopped by John Law for what ever reason, after consuming 4 shots of a local distilleries finest while carrying my legally Concealed handgun would rather not be forced to explain it to the Judge that I was with in my rights after said street commando decided I was breaking the perceived law..
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if you are going to be imbibing said brews or distillations you should NOT be carrying...THAT will cost you your license. There is no law or regulation that makes it unlawful to consume alcohol while carrying. you are correct as usual Sir...Mea Culpa. BUT: I for one, after being stopped by John Law for what ever reason, after consuming 4 shots of a local distilleries finest while carrying my legally Concealed handgun would rather not be forced to explain it to the Judge that I was with in my rights after said street commando decided I was breaking the perceived law..
How about driving the car home and DWI? |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 3:40:34 PM EDT
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"Legally drunk"...... What's the problem? Legally driving, legally carrying, legally drunk.....
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True, but after you turn in those 4 coopins you're probably legally drunk. "Legally drunk"...... What's the problem? Legally driving, legally carrying, legally drunk.....
Funniest thing you've ever posted. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 3:41:30 PM EDT
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How about driving the car home and DWI? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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if you are going to be imbibing said brews or distillations you should NOT be carrying...THAT will cost you your license. There is no law or regulation that makes it unlawful to consume alcohol while carrying. you are correct as usual Sir...Mea Culpa. BUT: I for one, after being stopped by John Law for what ever reason, after consuming 4 shots of a local distilleries finest while carrying my legally Concealed handgun would rather not be forced to explain it to the Judge that I was with in my rights after said street commando decided I was breaking the perceived law..
How about driving the car home and DWI? Isn't the definition of DWI radically different than the benchmark for carrying while "under the influence"? |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 3:57:10 PM EDT
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Just ended up not taking it. Better safe than sorry. Never saw a posted sign, but they were selling booze on premises. Selling for off-site consumption is not an issue, CHL holders can legally carry in a package store. Not seeing a sign could be a TABC issue for them... IIRC, failure to do so by an establishment required to to post 51% is a defence to prosecution for a CHL holder. Even though TABC's guidelines say the signs need to be conspicuously posted, I have seen quite a few establishments that make it nearly impossible to find. From places with it behind the bar and other signs and stuff hiding it to one that put it way above the main entrance on the inside where you'd only see it if you looked up as you were exiting. Because of the way the ceiling joists were you couldn't see it unless you were right under... I really hate it when places don't prominently post their signage, be it the blue sign or 51%... Conversely I really appreciate places that do post it where it can't be missed... |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 4:11:05 PM EDT
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On an unrelated note. The pizza place down the street, that I fucking love, is now randomly posted 51% in the back of building, posted to the fridge. Gun sign on that tabc website above is blue.
Either gonna have to stop going there, or let TABC know they are selling above their license. There was a shooting in their parking lot and a body found in the woods behind them earlier this year at different times. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 4:13:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't the definition of DWI radically different than the benchmark for carrying while "under the influence"? Not that different. There's no specified BAC for making carrying illegal, just being "intoxicated" is it. For driving there is a set limit over which you're automatically considered intoxicated, but you can still be intoxicated if you're below that limit. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 5:27:59 PM EDT
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On an unrelated note. The pizza place down the street, that I fucking love, is now randomly posted 51% in the back of building, posted to the fridge. Gun sign on that tabc website above is blue. Either gonna have to stop going there, or let TABC know they are selling above their license. There was a shooting in their parking lot and a body found in the woods behind them earlier this year at different times. My experience complaining to TABC about places posting 51% even though they are by TABC's web site supposed to be sign=blue has not been very effective. I've entered complaints on TABC's web site a couple of times but Stubb's BBQ in Austin continues to post 51% even though it is highly unlikely to be true and TABC's web site shows only one license for that address and it is BLUE. On the other hand, TABC does apparently take it very serious if an establishment fails to post any sign. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 6:15:50 PM EDT
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My experience complaining to TABC about places posting 51% even though they are by TABC's web site supposed to be sign=blue has not been very effective. I've entered complaints on TABC's web site a couple of times but Stubb's BBQ in Austin continues to post 51% even though it is highly unlikely to be true and TABC's web site shows only one license for that address and it is BLUE. On the other hand, TABC does apparently take it very serious if an establishment fails to post any sign. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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On an unrelated note. The pizza place down the street, that I fucking love, is now randomly posted 51% in the back of building, posted to the fridge. Gun sign on that tabc website above is blue. Either gonna have to stop going there, or let TABC know they are selling above their license. There was a shooting in their parking lot and a body found in the woods behind them earlier this year at different times. My experience complaining to TABC about places posting 51% even though they are by TABC's web site supposed to be sign=blue has not been very effective. I've entered complaints on TABC's web site a couple of times but Stubb's BBQ in Austin continues to post 51% even though it is highly unlikely to be true and TABC's web site shows only one license for that address and it is BLUE. On the other hand, TABC does apparently take it very serious if an establishment fails to post any sign. Which Stubbs? Mean eye cat or the big one? |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 11:51:12 PM EDT
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Which Stubbs? Mean eye cat or the big one? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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On an unrelated note. The pizza place down the street, that I fucking love, is now randomly posted 51% in the back of building, posted to the fridge. Gun sign on that tabc website above is blue. Either gonna have to stop going there, or let TABC know they are selling above their license. There was a shooting in their parking lot and a body found in the woods behind them earlier this year at different times. My experience complaining to TABC about places posting 51% even though they are by TABC's web site supposed to be sign=blue has not been very effective. I've entered complaints on TABC's web site a couple of times but Stubb's BBQ in Austin continues to post 51% even though it is highly unlikely to be true and TABC's web site shows only one license for that address and it is BLUE. On the other hand, TABC does apparently take it very serious if an establishment fails to post any sign. Which Stubbs? Mean eye cat or the big one? The one on Red River. Mean Eyed Cat is probably legitimately 51% since it is mostly a bar. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 1:21:55 AM EDT
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Isn't the definition of DWI radically different than the benchmark for carrying while "under the influence"? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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if you are going to be imbibing said brews or distillations you should NOT be carrying...THAT will cost you your license. There is no law or regulation that makes it unlawful to consume alcohol while carrying. you are correct as usual Sir...Mea Culpa. BUT: I for one, after being stopped by John Law for what ever reason, after consuming 4 shots of a local distilleries finest while carrying my legally Concealed handgun would rather not be forced to explain it to the Judge that I was with in my rights after said street commando decided I was breaking the perceived law..
How about driving the car home and DWI? Isn't the definition of DWI radically different than the benchmark for carrying while "under the influence"? No. DWI uses the word intoxicated, just like Carrying While Intoxicatee. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 1:29:13 AM EDT
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Not that different. There's no specified BAC for making carrying illegal, just being "intoxicated" is it. For driving there is a set limit over which you're automatically considered intoxicated, but you can still be intoxicated if you're below that limit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Isn't the definition of DWI radically different than the benchmark for carrying while "under the influence"? Not that different. There's no specified BAC for making carrying illegal, just being "intoxicated" is it. For driving there is a set limit over which you're automatically considered intoxicated, but you can still be intoxicated if you're below that limit. Actually, DWI does not list a "set limit". Both DWI and Carrying While Intoxicated each make it unlawful to either operate a motor vehicle or carry a handgun "while intoxicated". Neither specific offense lists a definition of intoxication, nor specify a limit. The definition of intoxicated is found in penal code 49.01. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 2:20:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually, DWI does not list a "set limit". Both DWI and Carrying While Intoxicated each make it unlawful to either operate a motor vehicle or carry a handgun "while intoxicated". Neither specific offense lists a definition of intoxication, nor specify a limit. The definition of intoxicated is found in penal code 49.01. DWI (49.04) uses the definition in 49.01, which says (2) "Intoxicated" means: (A) not having the normal use of mental or physical faculties by reason of the introduction of alcohol, a controlled substance, a drug, a dangerous drug, a combination of two or more of those substances, or any other substance into the body; or (B) having an alcohol concentration of 0.08 or more. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 8:28:54 AM EDT
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DWI (49.04) uses the definition in 49.01, which says (2) "Intoxicated" means: (A) not having the normal use of mental or physical faculties by reason of the introduction of alcohol, a controlled substance, a drug, a dangerous drug, a combination of two or more of those substances, or any other substance into the body; or (B) having an alcohol concentration of 0.08 or more. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Actually, DWI does not list a "set limit". Both DWI and Carrying While Intoxicated each make it unlawful to either operate a motor vehicle or carry a handgun "while intoxicated". Neither specific offense lists a definition of intoxication, nor specify a limit. The definition of intoxicated is found in penal code 49.01. DWI (49.04) uses the definition in 49.01, which says (2) "Intoxicated" means: (A) not having the normal use of mental or physical faculties by reason of the introduction of alcohol, a controlled substance, a drug, a dangerous drug, a combination of two or more of those substances, or any other substance into the body; or (B) having an alcohol concentration of 0.08 or more. Yep, that's what I wrote. |
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