Posted: 4/23/2015 1:42:18 PM EDT
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I must be reading a different thread than you, because I haven't seen any of that from the comments posted.
Yea, you tried to call me and another poster out via IM, but guess what, there's the world we all want to happen, and the real world.
The way Congress works in Iowa, some of us are more rooted in the real world of what to expect. I won't be satisfied if the Omnibus Bill doesn't pass. There's no fucking reason it shouldn't. You might not like my stance of taking the wins we get this session, every win will be used in the future to gain more of our rights back.
I don't like it, but frankly, sometimes, that's just the way it is. If you can point me to a single post in this thread that actually advocated against advancing gun rights, and not your warped sense of all or nothing with this bill, I'll eat crow.
But for you to try and call out fellow 2nd Amendment activists is fucking shitty, and you have created more drama than the anti's.
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so how many of you guys are now working for the DNC?
seems like the desire to tank shit, second guess, and pontificate at the risk of sending mixed signals to elected officials, IFC, NRA, bloomberg, MDA, newspapers, news outlets, etc is proper form around here...
i've got a suggestion for you. head up to the capitol building, spend years building relationships that allow frank conversations with these people and see if you can figure out how to make the sausage. if you're willing to take on that role, it'll save a lot of us thousands of man hours, a ton of money, and many ulcers and sleepless nights.
have at it...
I must be reading a different thread than you, because I haven't seen any of that from the comments posted.
Yea, you tried to call me and another poster out via IM, but guess what, there's the world we all want to happen, and the real world.
The way Congress works in Iowa, some of us are more rooted in the real world of what to expect. I won't be satisfied if the Omnibus Bill doesn't pass. There's no fucking reason it shouldn't. You might not like my stance of taking the wins we get this session, every win will be used in the future to gain more of our rights back.
I don't like it, but frankly, sometimes, that's just the way it is. If you can point me to a single post in this thread that actually advocated against advancing gun rights, and not your warped sense of all or nothing with this bill, I'll eat crow.
But for you to try and call out fellow 2nd Amendment activists is fucking shitty, and you have created more drama than the anti's.
less crying towel, more big boy pants...
we've all got opinions, that isn't the problem. what is the problem is the way we voice them, where, and under what circumstance. mine you're commenting on specifically was a blend of humor and me being snarky. i'll concede quickly, the snarky isn't necessary to get the point across. i'll give you that one.
however, when we roll out a real public criticism of the way something is being handled and show division in public, it creates a serious problem. whether or not you accept it, your role as posters on this subject in this forum on this topic has changed. the media and legislators (i know this with 100% certainty) are watching the iahtf forum daily and reading this. so when people say 'all i care about it ______' it undermines all the work we're doing at the state house. we have people show us a copy of this thread and say "i just read this" and expect us to back up on the negotiations we've already put in place. kind of like a star athlete we have to hold ourselves differently than others, as we're being put under the microscope. that's the premise in which i called out iaredneck to begin with. he made his intent clear and off we go.
i'll apologize right here and now for being hot under the collar. i was. i'm sorry for that. hell, i probably still will be again. but if you think for one second somebody questioning another on the issue of our mission, our purpose, and our methods is a problem, you have a flawed and incorrect view of the process. nobody, is above reproach.
give me a holler and i can fill you in on the scoop that i can't air out here in public. it'll make a lot more sense then. unfortunately, i just can't spill the beans out here until after the session concludes.
we have to stay locked up together in order to break their lack of movement. we worked with everyone to set the terms and it's done. now the MDA and bloombergs are in town spending money coupled with IGO and senator bertrand playing games to fund their lifestyles and his reelection campaign, and it's imperative we hold solid. no more, no less.
tossing a bunch of guesses out there is ok, but do it in IMs or chats and not in threads aired to anyone with google and a keyboard...
does this shed some light on it?
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