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Posted: 6/24/2014 2:10:08 PM EDT
I take it that this will be a tax increase? Is there any accurate research materiel on this with pros and cons?


APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF
AMENDATORY ACT TO REDUCE
STATE USE TAX AND REPLACE
WITH A LOCAL COMMUNITY
STABILIZATION SHARE TO MODERNI
ZE THE TAX SYSTEM TO HELP
SMALL BUSINESSES GROW AND CREATE JOBS
The amendatory act adopted by the Legislature would:
1. Reduce the state use tax and replace with a
local community stabilization share of the
tax for the purpose of modernizing the tax
system to help small businesses grow and
create jobs in Michigan.
2. Require Local Community Stabilization
Authority to provide revenue to local
governments dedicated for local purposes, in
cluding police safety,
fire protection, and
ambulance emergency services.
3. Increase portion of state use tax dedicat
ed for aid to local school districts.
4. Prohibit Authority from increasing taxes.
5. Prohibit total use tax rate from exceed
ing existing constitutional 6% limitation.
Should this law be approved?
Link Posted: 6/24/2014 8:04:22 PM EDT
[#1]
Doesn't sound like a tax increase. Read the last part, number 5. The total use tax is not to exceed 6%, which is what it is now. The change is that instead of that entire 6% going to the state to distribute as they see fit, it would now get separated and some goes to the state and some stays in the local government to distribute how they see fit.

I see pros and cons to it. On one hand, the local govs should know better which programs need the aid. However, the con is that this now opens the use tax to abuse by local govs who may not necessarily spend it on what it should really be spent on.

I have mixed opinions because I like the lowest levels of management deciding exactly where the money goes because they should be more in-touch with where it's actually needed; however, I hate having so many grubby fingers in the piggy bank. I'd probably vote know just because I think as few people as possible should touch that money before it's distributed.
Link Posted: 6/25/2014 4:35:56 AM EDT
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I'm sure the creation of "local community stabilization authority" will add new costs to the system. More hands in the bank. The existing constitutional limit is 6% so the last statement seems redundant as if they are trying to reassure us of the limit. I am inherently skeptical of any change unless there is a quantifiable benefit that is easy to articulate. It does not seem what they are trying to do is easy to articulate. Seems like more special interest nonsense. I like how they throw I the obligatory "its for the schools, it's for the children" statement.

Unless I see additional new information I would vote no.
Link Posted: 6/26/2014 6:16:54 PM EDT
[#3]
Shooting from the hip on this one, but my feeling is that the state already does a pretty good job of taking my tax dollars and not leaving me with the feeling that I got ripped off or that they are egregiously mis-handling the funds. I can't say that I can trust local jurisdictions to do the same.....

Can you guys imagine say..... Detroit, Warren, or Flint saying to themselves "We're going to Do The Right Thing with all this state funding!".....

I can't.
Link Posted: 6/27/2014 4:00:03 AM EDT
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Shooting from the hip on this one, but my feeling is that the state already does a pretty good job of taking my tax dollars and not leaving me with the feeling that I got ripped off or that they are egregiously mis-handling the funds. I can't say that I can trust local jurisdictions to do the same.....

Can you guys imagine say..... Detroit, Warren, or Flint saying to themselves "We're going to Do The Right Thing with all this state funding!".....

I can't.
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Hey now, don't group Warren in with those dumps. They're still doing alright considering the population decline and aging population bringing in less income.
Link Posted: 6/28/2014 5:57:50 AM EDT
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Hey now, don't group Warren in with those dumps. They're still doing alright considering the population decline and aging population bringing in less income.
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Shooting from the hip on this one, but my feeling is that the state already does a pretty good job of taking my tax dollars and not leaving me with the feeling that I got ripped off or that they are egregiously mis-handling the funds. I can't say that I can trust local jurisdictions to do the same.....

Can you guys imagine say..... Detroit, Warren, or Flint saying to themselves "We're going to Do The Right Thing with all this state funding!".....

I can't.

Hey now, don't group Warren in with those dumps. They're still doing alright considering the population decline and aging population bringing in less income.



They could have all the income in the world-it doesn't matter when you are universally known for corruption.
Link Posted: 7/15/2014 2:25:39 PM EDT
[#6]
I read up on prop 14-1 and it looks like they are dangling the carrot of lower PP taxes to entice us to establish a brand new local tax. No promises on how much exactly the PP tax will be decreased or for how long. Also it is left to an appointed board how much the new tax will be.
For example, let's say you buy a car from a private party for $3,000. Today you would pay the state $180 in PP tax. Period. If prop. 14-1 goes through you might only pay $120 for the PP tax on the car but you will be paying a new local tax every year whether you buy a car or not. Also, if it is decided that more of this new tax is needed for schools, fire, police protection, etc. then the appointed board will recommend a tax rate increase.I'm voting no.
It's pretty much a case of taking the tax burden off big business and putting it on the individual taxpayers to make up the difference. I'm not financially ready to take on that burden. They claim it will allow small businesses to hire more people but in similar situations, most small (and large) business owners said that their hiring depends on whether they need more production or not, NOT on whether or not they have extra money in their profit margin. They could be rolling in dough but if production is being met then theyhave no need to hire.
All this promise of jobs is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. Our governor is basicly a CEO who regards us as employees, not taxpayers to whom he is accountable. That's his mindset. To other CEO's he's Santa Claus who brings them tax breaks for Christmas at taxpayer's expense.
Link Posted: 7/17/2014 3:10:19 PM EDT
[#7]
Most of those morons in Lansing (both sides of the isle) never saw a tax that they didn't like. Further, both sides are equally adept at b-s-ing  their constituents about it too.
Link Posted: 7/17/2014 11:29:03 PM EDT
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I read up on prop 14-1 and it looks like they are dangling the carrot of lower PP taxes to entice us to establish a brand new local tax. No promises on how much exactly the PP tax will be decreased or for how long. Also it is left to an appointed board how much the new tax will be.
For example, let's say you buy a car from a private party for $3,000. Today you would pay the state $180 in PP tax. Period. If prop. 14-1 goes through you might only pay $120 for the PP tax on the car but you will be paying a new local tax every year whether you buy a car or not. Also, if it is decided that more of this new tax is needed for schools, fire, police protection, etc. then the appointed board will recommend a tax rate increase.I'm voting no.
It's pretty much a case of taking the tax burden off big business and putting it on the individual taxpayers to make up the difference. I'm not financially ready to take on that burden. They claim it will allow small businesses to hire more people but in similar situations, most small (and large) business owners said that their hiring depends on whether they need more production or not, NOT on whether or not they have extra money in their profit margin. They could be rolling in dough but if production is being met then theyhave no need to hire.
All this promise of jobs is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. Our governor is basicly a CEO who regards us as employees, not taxpayers to whom he is accountable. That's his mindset. To other CEO's he's Santa Claus who brings them tax breaks for Christmas at taxpayer's expense.
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Nailed it
Link Posted: 7/18/2014 2:12:31 AM EDT
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Switching deck chairs on the Titanic.
Link Posted: 7/18/2014 2:47:06 PM EDT
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I read up on prop 14-1 and it looks like they are dangling the carrot of lower PP taxes to entice us to establish a brand new local tax. No promises on how much exactly the PP tax will be decreased or for how long. Also it is left to an appointed board how much the new tax will be.
For example, let's say you buy a car from a private party for $3,000. Today you would pay the state $180 in PP tax. Period. If prop. 14-1 goes through you might only pay $120 for the PP tax on the car but you will be paying a new local tax every year whether you buy a car or not. Also, if it is decided that more of this new tax is needed for schools, fire, police protection, etc. then the appointed board will recommend a tax rate increase.I'm voting no.
It's pretty much a case of taking the tax burden off big business and putting it on the individual taxpayers to make up the difference. I'm not financially ready to take on that burden. They claim it will allow small businesses to hire more people but in similar situations, most small (and large) business owners said that their hiring depends on whether they need more production or not, NOT on whether or not they have extra money in their profit margin. They could be rolling in dough but if production is being met then theyhave no need to hire.
All this promise of jobs is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. Our governor is basicly a CEO who regards us as employees, not taxpayers to whom he is accountable. That's his mindset. To other CEO's he's Santa Claus who brings them tax breaks for Christmas at taxpayer's expense.

Nailed it


Ditto. Snyder can k**s my fat a**.
Link Posted: 8/3/2014 4:56:28 PM EDT
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The language is a bit too kludgy, and suspect the law will be interpreted by local and state authorities to create backdoor tax schemes to make up for revenue short falls.

I fully support getting rid of the State Use Tax...Lansing will need to devise a better way.  I voted NO on my absentee.
Link Posted: 8/4/2014 8:45:06 AM EDT
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www.voicenews.com/articles/2014/07/20/opinion/doc53c969eb906d2200253321.txt







Thus article makes it sound like the PPT is going away regardless of the vote.  The vote only takes money from the state and distributes it to localities.
Link Posted: 8/5/2014 4:58:16 AM EDT
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While I can get behind ending on-going personal property taxes on businesses, where this proposal fails for me is the creation of yet another bureaucratic entity to distribute state funds to localities.  More government is never the answer, even if it appears to be for a good reason.

NO for me.
Link Posted: 8/5/2014 6:07:17 AM EDT
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While I can get behind ending on-going personal property taxes on businesses, where this proposal fails for me is the creation of yet another bureaucratic entity to distribute state funds to localities.  More government is never the answer, even if it appears to be for a good reason.



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+1 We don't need more bureaucracy and ways for the government to manipulate funds.

 
If you're going to get rid of a tax than get rid of it period.
Link Posted: 8/5/2014 11:19:55 AM EDT
[#15]
I voted NO , so did my Elder.
Link Posted: 8/5/2014 6:33:03 PM EDT
[#16]
Looks like it is going to pass. Whoever wrote that was a master wordsmith. It didn't have a negative word in it only feel good phrases. Good job on that guy. Now we get to pay for the results.
Link Posted: 8/6/2014 12:09:14 PM EDT
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You guys feel that? That's the tip going in. They are going to go balls deep and break it off in our ass, you watch.
Link Posted: 8/6/2014 5:57:54 PM EDT
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You guys feel that? That's the tip going in. They are going to go balls deep and break it off in our ass, you watch.
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I can't believe how many of the proposals passed. Money must be good if people are voluntarily offering to pay more.
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