I just got back from swear in about 15 minutes ago. I got a  9/11 posting.

Anyone else?

......sorry if I should know this

Georgia Defence Force?

yea, Georgia State Defense Force.

I might should of posted that in the OP......

GASDF

I'll take a look at the site. Thanks for the link.

do they issue brown shirts and have you swear your life to Obama?

I have been debating it for a year or more now.  The wife unit is not happy that it will take time away from her and the kid.  Are you talking about the 911th Support Command?  That is probably where I would end up since I work in IT.

Is this a full time deal or is it like the reserves?

These are the guys that ban the carry of firearms, right?

I looked through their FAQ.  Yes, they prohibit carrying a firearm during the performance of your duties.

The Governor currently has the power to order all guns be taken by force from ALL citizens in the event of an emergency or disaster.

Does this group have the authority to seize them in such an event?

WoW.  That would be funny if someone actually tried to "seize" guns from citizens.  All I know is that No "good" Military service member would break their oath to the constitution, and any one dumb enough to show up at a home and say give me your guns.... well, they would be dead and gone real quick.

Not much of a difference these days.

That would get ugly...real quick. Seize my weapons? I think not.

Do they carry hammers and sickles?

umm dude, where have you been lately. that has already happened in the last 5 years!  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm5PC7z79-8

give me a few minute and I will show you where they beat down an old lady to get her revolver.

This is a state function that has been around for a while, so forget the hammer and sickle crap.

I looked into it but decided against since I would not be allowed to carry even though I have a GFL.

In Georgia?

I thought Georgia passed a law prohibiting that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm5PC7z79-8

didn't even take a minute.

he didn't say in Ga.  he just said Seize gun from citizens.

that law did NOT pass in Ga I thought.

No.  And Gov. Perdue said he would not sign such a law removing that authority from a governor.  It is part of one of the bills that GCO is pushing this upcoming session.  All the candidates for governor that attented the Q&A session at the GCO convention said that they would remove that authority.

You right about that lol.

I looked into it myself and was very interested until i found out I would be unable to carry in the event I was sent out somewhere. I understand not having a gun on you during normal events.. If some big disaster happens I am not going to put myself in danger for this unit. If they allowed me to defend myself like i can as a normal citizen I would join.

Super pissed off now.
I just watched that video of police and N.G. taking citizens guns.  I heard about police and helicopters being shot at... I chalked it up to gangs and criminals... now I wonder...
Every Officer, Warrant Officer and NCO should be charged and arrested for disregarding the Constitution on our soil.
The only thing I can think of is that those Joes were not Regular Army, but N.G.
Not a lawful order at all.
I wonder how many of them said no, or if they are all just tools like the clip made them out to be.?

Yes. I'm in the HeadQuarter's PAO office. Stop in and say hi.

PFC Taylor

HQ HAAF, Stewart?  I would love to hear all about it.
CW2 Zabel

I saw some of these guys in the GASDF and I'm sorry but its laughable. Its like the other "State Defense Forces" out there that do nothing but add more (and very little) bodies to the National Guard. I get the idea but if you're a "defense force" and you're not armed then you're just playing with yourself. The other thing I noticed is that many of these guys were so out of shape I imagine they are double retirees or couldn't get into the Guard or active Army and so this was their next best shot.

If you feel this is a way for you to serve your State and community then go for it but work to change this organization into a true militia and not just guys playing GI Joe every so often. The Guard can be federalized but the SDF can not be, yet the Guard has weapons and the SDF does not? Is that what I'm getting from this?

I wonder how robust the "intelligence" section is and if they actually take steps to develop threats to the state? I'm sure there's no Georgia equivilant to EO 12333.

And please, don't feel like I've pissed on your parade. I'm a nine-year regular Army veteran and I appreciate and thank everyone who steps up to serve the nation, their state, or community in any fashion. But I've never seen these SDF guys anywhere else other than Atlanta Motor Speedway walking aroung with hotdogs in their hands.

If I'm wrong on the lack of weapons then please correct me. But if you're augmenting a combat force (the GAANG) then you need to bring your own pea-shooters to the party, at least.

I know the local red cross said they "would never call on them for any rime or reason". That was pretty much the quote I was told when asking one of the board members about the GA.S.D.F. They pretty much laughed them off as a joke (with a few other snide comments about the local GASDF liaison officer).

Ain't enough man power or dump trucks to seize weapons and ammo from this HTF alone.

Congrats on your swear in. Lack of weapons is sketchy for the job description. Please elaborate on what you know.

The answer is none said no.  

Some of them do look more than a little out of shape....




The quote about the guys never calling on them for any rime or reason seems very harsh.........But is it true? I'm not to judge.

The GASDF serves a nominal function. Its mostly a source of warm bodies to perform manual labor. A great many members have not even the smallest amount of military background and probably dont need to be carrying weapons while on duty to begin with. Besides, the GASDF is not a combat arm of anything nor would it be called on as such.

If one wishes to become involved, there are better ways to go in my opinion.  Still, this thread didnt need to degenerate into some bullshit gun grab crap. How about we just try to be happy for the guy.

Good God! I can't believe some of the crap that some of you have just said. You really should get your head out of your asses BEFORE you start typing.

The GASDF isn't CURRENTLY issued weapons. We have been in the past and apparently there was an incident. It is under consideration though for the future (unspecified). If we are put into a "radical" environment before getting the ok on carrying, we will be accompanied by police officers. The officers have the training and authority to arrest and confiscate personal property, NOT THE GASDF.

If we do get issued weapons (most other state defense forces do), we will be required to have additional training.

Read the newspaper or the NRA website sometime. The Mayor (Nagan) and Chief of Police of New Orleans got a good smack down by the NRA about their violations of the Second Amendment during Katrina. Also, pretty much all of police organizations have said that incident won't happen again. The cops were cut off from their home commands (i.e. Illinois State Police) and were told to follow the orders from Mayor Nagan. He took advantage of that and told them they had to confiscate personal property. Don't blame the cops, blame the stupid Mayor.

Many of the GASDF are former/current military, as well as members of the NRA. Even if told to confiscate your weapons, we have the right to refuse any mission since we are volunteers. The National Guard doesn't have this option.

The GASDF currently trains a lot for search and rescue operations as well as first aid in case of natural disasters. If you're sorry ass gets lost in the North Georgia mountains, we'll be the ones trying to find you.

Yes. Many of the members are older and overweight. If they can't pass the Search and Rescue physical, they act in a supporting role.

If you don't want to help your community and state, that's fine... be worthless. However, it pisses me off when you ridicule those who do care enough to help out.

It only takes one weekend a month, it isn't hard. However, I guess even that's too much for you.

IIRC, some elderly lady said no, and received a bit of a beat down.

There's a video somewhere. Gotta go, don't have time to search for it.

willstill: Not knocking the group and I applaud the guys for trying to help out. I just know for a fact our local red cross is not going to use the GSDF, period. Several adjacent county SAR teams are not going to use yall either.....that includes a good portion of the north ga mtns.

I wish you well, but you all are facing a hard time getting accepted by local county governments as a legitimate organization that can make a difference. All first hand reports I am hearing are not looking good on yall getting a mutual aide call out from any county's around here.

Again, I am not knocking what your doing (I applaud you for it). Just realized nobody (ie: county/city government) around here wants your help and think yall are a joke.

Does being in the GASDF give the users the same concealed carry advantages that GA law gives to the military?  If so, that might be a significant incentive for some people....

It can't be all that bad, Clark Howard is one of the officers. He talks about it on his radio show every once in a while. LOL

hehe... well you do get a Military ID, which gets you into all the PX's in GA as well as into all bases in GA. I'm doing it to get all of my S&R certs.

Clark Howard....Bawaaahaha!!!.......officer...Bawaaahaha!!!

Sorry, I like his radio show, but it's just hard for me to visualize Howard barking orders to anyone.

Keep your day job Clark.

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?title=16&chapter=11§ion=130

O.C.G.A. § 16-11-130
Exemptions from Code Sections 16-11-126 through 16-11-128


(a) Code Sections 16-11-126 through 16-11-128 shall not apply to or affect any of the following persons if such persons are employed in the offices listed below or when authorized by federal or state law, regulations, or order:

(3) Persons in the military service of the state or of the United States

So according to some of you retards these guys suck. Damn you and the horse you rode in on.



So what if some are overweight, they are doing something for their country. They have life experience some are 50+. Some are ex-mil with a lot of training but too old  to be in but at least willing to do something as our country is at war.  



The nerve of you retards... amazing.


  I earned my tabs a long time ago, so now I'm over 50, I got a belly, hut my weapons  are tight and so are my groups.  My training and time in country are still in my brain and it still works.



They perform a service to their country, wtf did you do last weekend. Drink beer, eat, shit and fart?



Thank for showing us what asshats you guys are.




 
 

C'mon buddy.  This is HTF, not GD.

Wow this is the first time I have been embarrassed to be a part of the HTF.  It has taken a turn for the worse to bash people who volunteer for their state and the GA DOD, all for free.  The troops in the GSDF serve without pay, buy their own uniforms, gear, etc, all so they can serve the people of GA.  And folks here use that as an opportunity to bash them.  I cannot speak about BDE's or BN's from other parts of the state but the BN I serve in is professional and spends a great deal of time on SAR training, actual SAR missions, and performing OPFOR duties for the National Guard.  In the last 2-3 years I have been on 4-5 SAR missions and 4-5 OPFOR missions helping train NG troops who are getting ready to deploy to Iraq or Afghanistan.  How many of you can say you have done that?  My guess is not very many of you.

caver, this may come as a shock to you but our job is not to support the Red Cross.  We don't train with them or to assist them.  It is not in our METL.  The only interaction we have with them is to receive CPR/First Aid training from them.  So it does not shock me that they don't know much about us, as we don't work with them.  As for WSAR and SAR in North GA, your facts are just wrong.  The BN's we have up there do extensive training with local LEO and GEMA on SAR and are called out all of the time.  Troops from my BN (which is not in North GA) just went up a few weekends ago to help look for a missing child in North GA.  We work with GEMA and a lot of us are GEMA SAR Specialist trained, etc.

Our MEDDET and Chaplain CORP's support and augment the National Guard quite extensively.  Our MEDDET folks even stage and give shots, etc, to NG troops getting ready to deploy overseas.

As for guns, we are authorized to carry them, we just currently do not.  This is a topic that can be discussed until the cows come home.  It is something that I believe you will see change in the future.  I doubt we will ever carry them as a normal course of our duties, as most of our duties do not require them.  But I think you will see a move to get us trained up on them and yearly certification much like most non-combat soldiers do in the regular Guard/Army.

As for Clark Howard, he works in the Public Affairs Office, so his job is not to run around yelling orders.  He does do an excellent job at getting the word out about us, which is the job of a PAO officer.

My two cents.

My question was about being able to carry weapons.  I could understand not empowering/authorizing people to carry weaspons, but I didn't (and don't) understand disallowing/prohibiting people who already have that right and ability under U.S. and GA state law.

Thanks for the civilized reply Spasm. Again, I am not bashing anybody. I applaud you guys for donating your time to help out. I was just passing along info as told first hand to me by county officials and one of your "officers". I am glad to hear yall are actually getting used up here. I think its great that the gov is using some outside help, lord knows they need it. I thought about joining because I like helping others, but after talking with local county officials I found out it would do no good up here.

For the other fella that thinks I am bashing yall and says we all just sat around and drank beer/farted ect...
I spent years on a local gubment SAR team and went through lots of SAR training and NASR certifications/classes. I would have served in the MIL, but due to a bout with cancer I don't fit the heath requirements. And due to that illness and a sister with down syndrome I spend a good deal of my time volunteering for organizations/events/folks less fortunate than me.

shoot me a email if you want to discuss it further - [email protected]

ps:
You may want to check in with your local "red cross liaison officer" (his words not mine).  Thats where the problem lies up here

Roger that M4-Stag !!!

Good for you krazy, dont let the naysayers bother ya.  You serving with 1st brigade 1st batallion?

Not bashing, as I considered joining.  What I read on the website about not being allowed to carry seems to be in confict with your statement.

So, if you are authorized to carry, why does the website say the opposite?

http://www.gasdf.com/regs/GSDFR_600-95_Weapons.pdf

Page 2.

That is a GSDF regulation that we impose on ourselves.  I am not sure when it came to be but I imagine that JAG decided we didn't need them for whatever reason so they prohibit us from carrying them.  The GA State Law on the other hand that sanctions us and carves out our rights, what we have access to, etc, allows us those rights. That's why I said I think you will start to see some stuff changing.  I don't think you will ever see them letting troops with concealed carry permits carry when in uniform, no more than you can when your in the NG or Army.  I do think you will start to see us getting weapons safety taught and hopefully getting qualified once a year like a non-combat Army troop would.