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Posted: 4/11/2017 5:05:16 PM EDT
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We need laws that favor the assailants and the aggressors, who cares about the person defending themselves ?
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Posted: 4/11/2017 5:33:39 PM EDT
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Zero chance of passing. Not a news story but an editorial.
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:06:56 PM EDT
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If the comments in that article are representative of the loudmouth majority of antis, we have cause for concern.
An R next to a name doesn't mean much these days. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:47:21 PM EDT
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This is not just a "Stand Your Ground" rollback, it institutes dozens of other regulations including the requirement of gun owners to purchase $100,000 worth of life insurance, the banning of magazines with a capacity over 15 rounds, the ability of ANYBODY to file an order requiring that a gun owner surrender ALL firearms and ALL ammunition to law enforcement... why did the news article focus on 'stand your ground'.
BTW, "Stand Your Ground" is an inaccurate description of the law as it is. The correct terminology would be that the law reinstates the 'duty to retreat' requiring that you run away and hide, even from your own home, if you are threatened with deadly force. The 'duty to retreat' is a de facto and de jure ban on self defense. It is a cornerstone to a criminal's bill of rights. Further, it makes gun owners liable if somebody living in their home takes their firearm and uses it. If you'd like to get your dander up, read through this crap-pile of a bill. Looks like Sarah Brady wrote it after getting drunk. http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2017/Bills/House/HTML/H723v0.html |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:25:09 PM EDT
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Utterly infuriating nonsense
Whoever wrote that bill lives in some kind of alternate universe.
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:42:58 PM EDT
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This is not just a "Stand Your Ground" rollback, it institutes dozens of other regulations including the requirement of gun owners to purchase $100,000 worth of life insurance, the banning of magazines with a capacity over 15 rounds, the ability of ANYBODY to file an order requiring that a gun owner surrender ALL firearms and ALL ammunition to law enforcement... why did the news article focus on 'stand your ground'. BTW, "Stand Your Ground" is an inaccurate description of the law as it is. The correct terminology would be that the law reinstates the 'duty to retreat' requiring that you run away and hide, even from your own home, if you are threatened with deadly force. The 'duty to retreat' is a de facto and de jure ban on self defense. It is a cornerstone to a criminal's bill of rights. Further, it makes gun owners liable if somebody living in their home takes their firearm and uses it. If you'd like to get your dander up, read through this crap-pile of a bill. Looks like Sarah Brady wrote it after getting drunk. http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2017/Bills/House/HTML/H723v0.html "§ 14-51.5. Use of deadly physical force against an intruder. (a) A lawful occupant within a home or other place of residence is justified in using any degree of force that the occupant reasonably believes is necessary, including deadly force, against an intruder to prevent a forcible entry into the home or residence or to terminate the intruder's unlawful entry (i) if the occupant reasonably apprehends that the intruder may kill or inflict serious bodily harm to the occupant or others in the home or residence or (ii) if the occupant reasonably believes that the intruder intends to commit a felony in the home or residence. (b) A lawful occupant within a home or other place of residence does not have a duty to retreat from an intruder in the circumstances described in this section. (c) This section is not intended to repeal, expand, or limit any other defense that may exist under the common law." |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 11:56:59 PM EDT
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(b) A lawful occupant within a home or other place of residence does not have a duty to retreat from an intruder in the circumstances described in this section. (c) This section is not intended to repeal, expand, or limit any other defense that may exist under the common law." |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 12:11:44 AM EDT
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No it doesn't and even states that in the bill text. "§ 14-51.5. Use of deadly physical force against an intruder. (a) A lawful occupant within a home or other place of residence is justified in using any degree of force that the occupant reasonably believes is necessary, including deadly force, against an intruder to prevent a forcible entry into the home or residence or to terminate the intruder's unlawful entry (i) if the occupant reasonably apprehends that the intruder may kill or inflict serious bodily harm to the occupant or others in the home or residence or (ii) if the occupant reasonably believes that the intruder intends to commit a felony in the home or residence. (b) A lawful occupant within a home or other place of residence does not have a duty to retreat from an intruder in the circumstances described in this section. (c) This section is not intended to repeal, expand, or limit any other defense that may exist under the common law." |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 7:04:33 PM EDT
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I just read the bill and it pisses me off. Complete bull shit.
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Posted: 4/13/2017 11:13:45 PM EDT
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Not going to bother reading the rest of that section? Whose side are you on? May I infer that you support the law? |
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Posted: 4/14/2017 12:16:25 AM EDT
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No I don't support the law period but that doesn't mean I can't point out you being incorrect about the law. You said the law will require quote "'duty to retreat' requiring that you run away and hide, even from your own home" which is not the case. |
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Posted: 4/14/2017 9:07:47 PM EDT
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This thing is so full of stupid it makes my head spin.
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Posted: 4/15/2017 2:01:47 PM EDT
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If only we had a group dedicated to defending us from the raging loons.. a group with a sturdy record of wins since 1994, an all volunteer organization so nobody is having 3-martini lunches on donated funds....
Oh wait, we do! 
https://www.grnc.org Don't fret folks, this bill is going to fail, now is the time to push for other wins like constitutional carry and campus carry. 
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Posted: 4/15/2017 2:39:55 PM EDT
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https://www.grnc.org Don't fret folks, this bill is going to fail, now is the time to push for other wins like constitutional carry, eliminating the Pistol Purchase Permit, and campus carry. |
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Posted: 4/16/2017 5:02:34 PM EDT
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https://www.grnc.org Don't fret folks, this bill is going to fail, now is the time to push for other wins like constitutional carry, eliminating the Pistol Purchase Permit, and campus carry. You can thank Sherrif Schatzman of Forsyth county as part of the problem. His keeping the waiting times about 5 months long is absurd.
However campus carry is my main hope... I had a temp job at a local school and despite it being a rich kids school, the place was amazingly vulnerable... I cannot understand how schools are still so weak... 
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Posted: 4/16/2017 8:04:43 PM EDT
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However campus carry is my main hope... I had a temp job at a local school and despite it being a rich kids school, the place was amazingly vulnerable... I cannot understand how schools are still so weak... |
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Posted: 4/16/2017 9:57:42 PM EDT
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We need all the things, of course. I put Constitutional Carry second to eliminating the arbitrary PPP and decriminalizing School carry. Yes, Constitutional Carry is important, but it is not as much of a game changer. I'll take all three and then some, though. Not like we have to settle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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However campus carry is my main hope... I had a temp job at a local school and despite it being a rich kids school, the place was amazingly vulnerable... I cannot understand how schools are still so weak... |
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Posted: 4/16/2017 11:18:12 PM EDT
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Amen. Constitutional carry would be nice, but we need to solve the PPP and school carry first. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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However campus carry is my main hope... I had a temp job at a local school and despite it being a rich kids school, the place was amazingly vulnerable... I cannot understand how schools are still so weak...
Then there are the Judas's who do training classes and just see money going out the door with this law due to their own selfish desires. 
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Posted: 4/17/2017 12:11:47 AM EDT
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Agreed but the problem with constitutional carry is all the misinformation about the bill, thinking it does away with the current system so folks think all the states that currently recognize our permit will stop doing so.
Then there are the Judas's who do training classes and just see money going out the door with this law due to their own selfish desires. Yeah, NC really needs the PPP gone and I'd be happy to see constitutional carry along with it. Why isn't GRNC pushing the PPP repeal this time around? |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 1:02:42 AM EDT
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Yeah, NC really needs the PPP gone and I'd be happy to see constitutional carry along with it. Why isn't GRNC pushing the PPP repeal this time around? 
Don't you folks get the alerts? I've been emailing representatives so frequently it borders on nagging. 
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Posted: 4/17/2017 1:32:45 AM EDT
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Just on facebook, no email. Don't think I would have signed up for email anyhow.
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Posted: 4/17/2017 6:48:33 AM EDT
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Just on facebook, no email. Don't think I would have signed up for email anyhow.
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Posted: 4/17/2017 12:58:52 PM EDT
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Just got a new alert today about this very law. I'd tell you what they said, but would rather you sign up and find out.
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Posted: 4/17/2017 2:38:28 PM EDT
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Just got a new alert today about this very law. I'd tell you what they said, but would rather you sign up and find out. |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 3:23:47 PM EDT
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Well, that's just silly not to post them on FarceBook as well. I check that daily and I only check my email when I feel like sifting through spam. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just got a new alert today about this very law. I'd tell you what they said, but would rather you sign up and find out. They really need more volunteers. I can't understand how folks would rather watch football or etc instead of doing more to fight against 2A restrictions. If as many people actually meant "from my cold dead hands" like their shirts or stickers say, we would have enough folks to make M249's available like Hershey bars...
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Posted: 4/18/2017 4:02:43 PM EDT
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My understanding is that they are.
Don't you folks get the alerts? I've been emailing representatives so frequently it borders on nagging. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Yeah, NC really needs the PPP gone and I'd be happy to see constitutional carry along with it. Why isn't GRNC pushing the PPP repeal this time around?
Don't you folks get the alerts? I've been emailing representatives so frequently it borders on nagging. There are three bills in the house and three in the senate, and the crossover date is coming up soon (May I think?). Just because there is a majority in both houses doesn't mean we should rest on our laurels. |
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