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Posted: 8/26/2014 9:26:19 AM EDT
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I answered Mostly Yes on every question except "Court Houses"
All the ones that said incorrect had a caveat "Depends" The wording of the questions are wrong, because it doesn't distinguish between CC and Open Carry. I answered all the questions as Conceal Carry. So the method of their questions is flawed and supposed to be confusing. That's why you could only answer "Mostly" yes or "Mostly" no because that gives wiggle room. Oh wait they said this was written up by lawyers, that explains it all!! |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 10:57:05 AM EDT
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I would not be using BamaCarry as experts,
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Posted: 8/26/2014 11:59:40 AM EDT
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Where you can carry and where you can carry Legally are two different things.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:40:10 PM EDT
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Aren't "Mostly Yes", "Mostly No", and "It Depends" all saying the same thing?
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Posted: 8/26/2014 5:55:36 PM EDT
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al.com is featuring a lot of gun topics recently. Wondering if that's motivated by the furguson business or some other shinanigans.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 6:14:49 PM EDT
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al.com is featuring a lot of gun topics recently. Wondering if that's motivated by the furguson business or some other shinanigans. One year anniversery of the new CCW law was Augst 1st. IMO, the new law and existing law make it very complicated. Trust me we have been hashing this thing out. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 7:36:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One year anniversery of the new CCW law was Augst 1st. IMO, the new law and existing law make it very complicated. Trust me we have been hashing this thing out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: al.com is featuring a lot of gun topics recently. Wondering if that's motivated by the furguson business or some other shinanigans. One year anniversery of the new CCW law was Augst 1st. IMO, the new law and existing law make it very complicated. Trust me we have been hashing this thing out. Any opinion if any one or other of the state rights groups working as active and constructive shapers of policy reform? Do we need something more organized, focused, and disciplined that what already exists? My point of reference for an effective organization is AZCDL ETA: appologies for threadjack |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 7:58:49 PM EDT
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Any opinion if any one or other of the state rights groups working as active and constructive shapers of policy reform? Do we need something more organized, focused, and disciplined that what already exists? My point of reference for an effective organization is AZCDL ETA: appologies for threadjack Quote HistoryQuoted:
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al.com is featuring a lot of gun topics recently. Wondering if that's motivated by the furguson business or some other shinanigans. One year anniversery of the new CCW law was Augst 1st. IMO, the new law and existing law make it very complicated. Trust me we have been hashing this thing out. Any opinion if any one or other of the state rights groups working as active and constructive shapers of policy reform? Do we need something more organized, focused, and disciplined that what already exists? My point of reference for an effective organization is AZCDL ETA: appologies for threadjack The best chance was BamaCarry, IMO they went the way of the dodo bird when the leaders went anti-LE. They lost their best supporter when Beason left. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 8:34:55 PM EDT
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That's what worries me. Post Beason I'm not seeing anything coherant that's going to push reforms forward as a partnership with the legislature and other stakeholders
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Posted: 8/26/2014 9:15:49 PM EDT
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The best chance was BamaCarry, IMO they went the way of the dodo bird when the leaders went anti-LE. They lost their best supporter when Beason left. Why can't we do better? The BC site is dogmeat, and all but useless. My eyes bleed every time I visit, and it really doesn't seem like much is going on there. I could provide the server and hosting, as well as some expertise in getting it started to make it much more aesthetically pleasing and usable. We'll actively pursue LE participation, and maybe even make it an online exchange for dialog between .GOV, LE, and "We the people..." Once sufficiently operational, we could see if some TV / Radio / News would pick it up and give it a mention or two. I think it could be done, with a concerted, combined effort. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 10:00:53 PM EDT
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This is where my dread of the work and cost needed to build an effective org grapples with my dread of the consequences of not doing something.
ETA: Even now I'm dusting off my notes and roadmap outline... grrr. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 10:37:33 PM EDT
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This is where my dread of the work and cost needed to build an effective org grapples with my dread of the consequences of not doing something. ETA: Even now I'm dusting off my notes and roadmap outline... grrr. Umm... "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." 
I know, not helping. 
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Posted: 8/27/2014 5:59:00 AM EDT
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The best chance was BamaCarry, IMO they went the way of the dodo bird when the leaders went anti-LE. They lost their best supporter when Beason left. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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al.com is featuring a lot of gun topics recently. Wondering if that's motivated by the furguson business or some other shinanigans. One year anniversery of the new CCW law was Augst 1st. IMO, the new law and existing law make it very complicated. Trust me we have been hashing this thing out. Any opinion if any one or other of the state rights groups working as active and constructive shapers of policy reform? Do we need something more organized, focused, and disciplined that what already exists? My point of reference for an effective organization is AZCDL ETA: appologies for threadjack The best chance was BamaCarry, IMO they went the way of the dodo bird when the leaders went anti-LE. They lost their best supporter when Beason left. ALOC/AGR predates BC and in fact most of the BC guys came from ALOC but either got disgusted with the ALOC site owner or got sideways with him for various reasons. But like BC, there's not much activity over there (no new posts since I last visited, which was a couple weeks ago). Here's the ALOC/AGR site forum: ALOC/AGR forum I'm not aware of any other AL gun organizations. 
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Posted: 8/27/2014 7:47:49 AM EDT
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So here's my short description of what I think Alabama needs, and maybe some of what it doesn't.
It doesn't need another gun forum for on-line discussions. What it does need is a set of dedicated folks willing to develop a sustained and coordinated statewide effort that will participate actively with the legislature and other stake holders/interests to further improvements in the RKBA legal posture of Alabama. It means having a well thought out policy roadmap toward RKBA improvements, identifying current shortcomings and highlighting the best "next steps" in policy. It means coordinating that roadmap and proposed policies with legislative and other stakeholders to achieve the most progress politically possible on RKBA each year while avoiding deleterious compromise. It means developing a volunteer base and organizing information campaigns to develop and direct public support. My view anyway. Not a trivial undertaking but without that sort of effort I'm concerned the stuttering progress we've made over the last few years may stall and potentially be eroded in the coming decades. I've been kind of watching the last few years to see if one of the existing outfits would pull that sort of vision off, but what I've been hearing isn't encouraging. ETA: end threadjack |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 8:06:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aren't "Mostly Yes", "Mostly No", and "It Depends" all saying the same thing? |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 8:52:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. What a stupidly worded test. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Aren't "Mostly Yes", "Mostly No", and "It Depends" all saying the same thing? |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 8:59:30 AM EDT
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During the comment time when they were working on getting no permit vehicle carry passed one of the leaders of an open carry group stated that no one should open carry at Walmart.
I have personally attended the gun rights rallies in Montgomery. BamaCarry has had booths at the B'ham area gun shows I don't know about the rest of the state and seemed to me be the group to align with. However from what I have observed they have taken their hate for the sheriffs to all LE. I totally understand the sheriff issue but every time I almost sign up to join they do or post something stupid. I have not seen any action on the state level NRA. I use to see Friends of the NRA banquets advertised but that has been a couple of years maybe. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 9:24:26 AM EDT
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One year anniversery of the new CCW law was Augst 1st. IMO, the new law and existing law make it very complicated. Trust me we have been hashing this thing out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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al.com is featuring a lot of gun topics recently. Wondering if that's motivated by the furguson business or some other shinanigans. One year anniversery of the new CCW law was Augst 1st. IMO, the new law and existing law make it very complicated. Trust me we have been hashing this thing out. The problem is Not the law but the Liberals that Interpret the law.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 9:38:20 PM EDT
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Before the new law, CCW was legal virtually everywhere in AL. Now, the places it is proscribed are numerous.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 11:45:33 PM EDT
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Before the new law, CCW was legal virtually everywhere in AL. Now, the places it is proscribed are numerous. I don't believe that it increases the number of places that Concealed Carry is banned. 
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Posted: 8/28/2014 10:14:30 AM EDT
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I don't believe that it increases the number of places that Concealed Carry is banned. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Before the new law, CCW was legal virtually everywhere in AL. Now, the places it is proscribed are numerous. I don't believe that it increases the number of places that Concealed Carry is banned. Actually, it did. Places that didn't have signs, like schools (BJHS in Madison for example) and fire stations (Bobo) now have signs that they didnt' before SB286. In addition, it didn't help that some sheriff's decided to make up "no guns" signs out of their - you guessed it - CCW permit fee slush fund and then hand them out to businesses. |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 5:12:04 PM EDT
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The best chance was BamaCarry, IMO they went the way of the dodo bird when the leaders went anti-LE. They lost their best supporter when Beason left. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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al.com is featuring a lot of gun topics recently. Wondering if that's motivated by the furguson business or some other shinanigans. One year anniversery of the new CCW law was Augst 1st. IMO, the new law and existing law make it very complicated. Trust me we have been hashing this thing out. Any opinion if any one or other of the state rights groups working as active and constructive shapers of policy reform? Do we need something more organized, focused, and disciplined that what already exists? My point of reference for an effective organization is AZCDL ETA: appologies for threadjack The best chance was BamaCarry, IMO they went the way of the dodo bird when the leaders went anti-LE. They lost their best supporter when Beason left. yep, they have been over run with idiots lately. the FB page is a riot. |
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Posted: 8/28/2014 7:23:40 PM EDT
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Actually, it did. Places that didn't have signs, like schools (BJHS in Madison for example) and fire stations (Bobo) now have signs that they didnt' before SB286. In addition, it didn't help that some sheriff's decided to make up "no guns" signs out of their - you guessed it - CCW permit fee slush fund and then hand them out to businesses. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Before the new law, CCW was legal virtually everywhere in AL. Now, the places it is proscribed are numerous. I don't believe that it increases the number of places that Concealed Carry is banned. Actually, it did. Places that didn't have signs, like schools (BJHS in Madison for example) and fire stations (Bobo) now have signs that they didnt' before SB286. In addition, it didn't help that some sheriff's decided to make up "no guns" signs out of their - you guessed it - CCW permit fee slush fund and then hand them out to businesses. These were carry places before the law? 
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Posted: 8/28/2014 8:38:12 PM EDT
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Yea, you could carry into BJHS, I know because both my kids went there (we lived a quarter mile from the place). The no gun signs went up +Aug. 2013 after SB286 passed.
So back at ya, bubba!
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Posted: 8/28/2014 9:28:23 PM EDT
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Yea, you could carry into BJHS, I know because both my kids went there (we lived a quarter mile from the place). The no gun signs went up +Aug. 2013 after SB286 passed. So back at ya, bubba!
BJHS? Is that anything like Porn School?
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Posted: 8/29/2014 9:08:19 AM EDT
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Not that I know of.
Bob Jones HS, Madison. They put the same signs up at Discovery MS also. Discovery is where that little shit executed a 13 year old back in 2010. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 12:18:29 PM EDT
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I don't believe that it increases the number of places that Concealed Carry is banned. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Before the new law, CCW was legal virtually everywhere in AL. Now, the places it is proscribed are numerous. I don't believe that it increases the number of places that Concealed Carry is banned. Keep in mind that, before the law, there was virtually no law forbidding CCW anywhere. And no law allowed a business to create a no-firearm zones the violation of which was a crime. Numerous places where CCW was previously fine but now illegal: Hospitals (most hospitals have mental health facilities) Courthouses (these doesn't seem like a big deal until you understand that this isn't just referring to courtroom. The place you obtain your CCW, drivers license, car tag, etc in Montgomery is technically a courthouse or "Annex") Most importantly: Anyplace with controlled access and a no weapons policy. Theaters, convention centers, ball parks, etc. Previously, if you violated the policy, you were trespassing and had to leave if asked. Now, it is a misdemeanor. Carrying in these places was perfectly legal before the new law. The new law is mostly, but maybe not wholly, a disaster. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 6:21:44 PM EDT
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Keep in mind that, before the law, there was virtually no law forbidding CCW anywhere. And no law allowed a business to create a no-firearm zones the violation of which was a crime. Numerous places where CCW was previously fine but now illegal: Hospitals (most hospitals have mental health facilities) Courthouses (these doesn't seem like a big deal until you understand that this isn't just referring to courtroom. The place you obtain your CCW, drivers license, car tag, etc in Montgomery is technically a courthouse or "Annex") Most importantly: Anyplace with controlled access and a no weapons policy. Theaters, convention centers, ball parks, etc. Previously, if you violated the policy, you were trespassing and had to leave if asked. Now, it is a misdemeanor. Carrying in these places was perfectly legal before the new law. The new law is mostly, but maybe not wholly, a disaster. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Before the new law, CCW was legal virtually everywhere in AL. Now, the places it is proscribed are numerous. I don't believe that it increases the number of places that Concealed Carry is banned. Keep in mind that, before the law, there was virtually no law forbidding CCW anywhere. And no law allowed a business to create a no-firearm zones the violation of which was a crime. Numerous places where CCW was previously fine but now illegal: Hospitals (most hospitals have mental health facilities) Courthouses (these doesn't seem like a big deal until you understand that this isn't just referring to courtroom. The place you obtain your CCW, drivers license, car tag, etc in Montgomery is technically a courthouse or "Annex") Most importantly: Anyplace with controlled access and a no weapons policy. Theaters, convention centers, ball parks, etc. Previously, if you violated the policy, you were trespassing and had to leave if asked. Now, it is a misdemeanor. Carrying in these places was perfectly legal before the new law. The new law is mostly, but maybe not wholly, a disaster. And this I think, was one of the major reasons for the split between ALOC and Bama Carry. ALOC ownership and mgmt. said it was good, without asking nor getting support from their forum members. ALOC was all like "tough shit, this is the way it is, my way or the hiway!" and the BC types said: "the hiway!". Lots of drama and handwringing, I got bored and left both of them. |
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Posted: 8/30/2014 12:52:59 AM EDT
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There may be an alternative in the future.
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Posted: 9/1/2014 5:48:41 PM EDT
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There may be an alternative in the future. Let's here it! |
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Posted: 9/1/2014 8:42:31 PM EDT
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Due time. A lot of writing and coordinating to do first.
ETA: That said, if anyone wants to give their input on what a rights organization in Alabama should and shouldn't be, or any other input, feel free to PM me. |
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