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Posted: 5/22/2015 7:54:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Effective Date listed before and after the relevant section is August 1st. I hope I'm wrong but I need to find out for sure prior to jumping on the plane. Randy Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Pretty sure effective date proceeds the language of the section. That effective date is for previous section. The Effective Date listed before and after the relevant section is August 1st. I hope I'm wrong but I need to find out for sure prior to jumping on the plane. Randy |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 8:03:26 PM EDT
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There is no date for that section. So it reverts to july 1 i beleive. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Thank you. I hope that's the way it works. I want to put together a silencer shoot at the Northwoods Shooting Sports range near Barnum. http://www.northwoodsshooting.com/ Anyone know this range? Randy |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 8:06:39 PM EDT
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https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/text.php?number=SF878&version=2&session=ls89&session_year=2015&session_number=0
Reading lines 4.31 to 5.17 There is no date for that section. The date on 4.29 and 4.30 is for the above section. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 8:31:41 PM EDT
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Awesome job all. This is going to be fun.
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Posted: 5/23/2015 9:39:07 AM EDT
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So just to clarify here....... Minnesota is now a suppressor state??
We can legally purchase and own?? 
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Posted: 5/23/2015 11:18:08 AM EDT
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A big round of THANK YOU's to everyone who put in those long hours fighting the good fight!! And thanks to everyone for the email/phone campaign!! Now... The only question left unanswered...
When can we start having cans transferred in to our SOT's? Does the law have to be in effect before the ATF approves the form 3? |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 11:29:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A big round of THANK YOU's to everyone who put in those long hours fighting the good fight!! And thanks to everyone for the email/phone campaign!! Now... The only question left unanswered... When can we start having cans transferred in to our SOT's? Does the law have to be in effect before the ATF approves the form 3? |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 12:42:11 PM EDT
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Good Job Everyone!    I would of never of guess he would sign it. I was betting he would just let it become law without his signature. Good job to all who made this possible Can't wait to bring my can up when I'm visiting the Grandkids. |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 12:44:59 PM EDT
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Wait...shit. I just realized. I'm gonna need a .22lr can, a .223 can, a .308 can, a 9mm can, a .45acp can...a DeLisle Carbine... Been there and have done that, plus I added a .40 can, and several .22lr cans. Hell my stamp just came back today for my SBS. 
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Posted: 5/23/2015 1:19:09 PM EDT
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Is there a good one that will work well on both a ruger 10/22 and a mk iii?
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Posted: 5/23/2015 7:16:18 PM EDT
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July 1st they are legal to possess. August 1st you can legally hunt with them.
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Posted: 5/23/2015 7:35:23 PM EDT
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July 1st they are legal to possess. August 1st you can legally hunt with them. Just to confirm... We can order them up now and have them waiting at our SOT's to be processed come July1? |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 8:07:04 PM EDT
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Your dealer can possess it for you now. I would talk to a dealer about this though.
I doubt the ATF will let you file your paperwork with them until July 1st though. I plan on sending in a form 1 suppressor (manufacture) a bit before July 1st to see what happens. I need to research that a bit first. I am not sure how long until the e-form gets processed or what happens if they reject it because the law hasn't changed yet. It would be nice if they would just hold it for you for a few days. Right now I have to research trusts. |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 10:55:21 AM EDT
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Your dealer can possess it for you now. I would talk to a dealer about this though. I doubt the ATF will let you file your paperwork with them until July 1st though. I plan on sending in a form 1 suppressor (manufacture) a bit before July 1st to see what happens. I need to research that a bit first. I am not sure how long until the e-form gets processed or what happens if they reject it because the law hasn't changed yet. It would be nice if they would just hold it for you for a few days. Right now I have to research trusts. Not just any dealer. Has to be an SOT. As for submitting your form 1 or 4 with the ATF, you'll be able to submit it any time, it's just that the examiner will deny it if the law isn't in effect when the form makes it to their desk. So it's a timing gamble. If you want some help in narrowing down the timing for how long it takes a form to get to an examiner, you can use NFA tracker. For paper form 4s, I'd feel OK submitting them right now. eForm 1s are going pretty fast though. http://www.nfatracker.com/ |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 4:47:49 PM EDT
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Been there and have done that, plus I added a .40 can, and several .22lr cans. Hell my stamp just came back today for my SBS.
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Wait...shit. I just realized. I'm gonna need a .22lr can, a .223 can, a .308 can, a 9mm can, a .45acp can...a DeLisle Carbine... Been there and have done that, plus I added a .40 can, and several .22lr cans. Hell my stamp just came back today for my SBS.
Nobody likes you... SBS is the final NFA toy we can't have. |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 6:10:23 PM EDT
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SBS is the final NFA toy we can't have. Not quite true...like MGs, they need to be C&R. But, good luck finding a registered SBS that's 50 years old or older. 
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Posted: 5/24/2015 8:22:58 PM EDT
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Nobody likes you... SBS is the final NFA toy we can't have. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wait...shit. I just realized. I'm gonna need a .22lr can, a .223 can, a .308 can, a 9mm can, a .45acp can...a DeLisle Carbine... Been there and have done that, plus I added a .40 can, and several .22lr cans. Hell my stamp just came back today for my SBS.
Nobody likes you... SBS is the final NFA toy we can't have. I have a shotgun that's 18.1" it kinda scares me. |
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Posted: 5/25/2015 1:23:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a shotgun that's 18.1" it kinda scares me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: SBS is the final NFA toy we can't have. I have a shotgun that's 18.1" it kinda scares me. I have three870's that are 18.1" I really want a 14" 870 |
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Posted: 5/25/2015 10:27:57 AM EDT
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Not quite true...like MGs, they need to be C&R. But, good luck finding a registered SBS that's 50 years old or older. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SBS is the final NFA toy we can't have. Not quite true...like MGs, they need to be C&R. But, good luck finding a registered SBS that's 50 years old or older. Could pin a suppressor to get the total length. |
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Posted: 5/25/2015 10:43:59 AM EDT
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I really want a 14" 870 Better get started then. I would recommend researching crime associated with SBS in MN. When and if you are able to prove that registered SBS in MN are not associated with crime in MN, then go shopping for a sponsor. I would recommend a blue dog Democrat; but settle for anyone who is willing to push the bill through like Cornish did with the silencer bill. Several years ago I was researching silencer crime in MN, never really found any useful data though as little was kept. Good luck. Randy |
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Posted: 5/25/2015 10:48:24 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/25/2015 5:55:34 PM EDT
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The Effective Date listed before and after the relevant section is August 1st. I hope I'm wrong but I need to find out for sure prior to jumping on the plane. Randy Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pretty sure effective date proceeds the language of the section. That effective date is for previous section. The Effective Date listed before and after the relevant section is August 1st. I hope I'm wrong but I need to find out for sure prior to jumping on the plane. Randy Is flying with a suppressor the same as flying with a firearm or will they let you carry it on so you can keep it under your personal control, since it doesn't actually shoot a projectile on its own? |
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Posted: 5/25/2015 7:11:01 PM EDT
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Is flying with a suppressor the same as flying with a firearm or will they let you carry it on so you can keep it under your personal control, since it doesn't actually shoot a projectile on its own? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pretty sure effective date proceeds the language of the section. That effective date is for previous section. The Effective Date listed before and after the relevant section is August 1st. I hope I'm wrong but I need to find out for sure prior to jumping on the plane. Randy Is flying with a suppressor the same as flying with a firearm or will they let you carry it on so you can keep it under your personal control, since it doesn't actually shoot a projectile on its own? They won't let you take most gun parts on via carryon, I can't imagine they'd let you take a suppressor into the cabin with you. There's a thread in the NFA forum with lots of helpful material, I've never personally done it but it doesn't seem to be that much more of a pain than flying with a regular firearm. If there's any doubt, call the airline and get it straight from the horse's mouth. |
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Posted: 5/25/2015 8:58:10 PM EDT
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I have three870's that are 18.1" I really want a 14" 870 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SBS is the final NFA toy we can't have. I have a shotgun that's 18.1" it kinda scares me. I have three870's that are 18.1" I really want a 14" 870 That's what my 870 started out as, with factory installed pistol grip and a over folding stock. Now that my stamp is back I have a 14'' barrel to install after I get it engraved. In Michigan I had to register it as a pistol because it was under 30'' OAL with the stock folded. Our state police fought to keep that law in place until people started to carry them as pistols under a CPL. Then they fought to have it changed to federal guidelines, but people like me are grandfathered in. Since it's a NFA gun now I won't try to carry it anymore. |
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Posted: 5/26/2015 10:23:07 AM EDT
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With the law change this creates a unique situation for us in MN. I plan on building my own can, and submitting a Form 1. Question is, do I need to wait for the law to become active, or do I submit my paperwork now seeing it'll take 5-6+ months before someone looks at it anyway? What are people going to do that are building their own? Curious your thoughts. Thanks for your help!
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Posted: 5/26/2015 10:27:51 AM EDT
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With the law change this creates a unique situation for us in MN. I plan on building my own can, and submitting a Form 1. Question is, do I need to wait for the law to become active, or do I submit my paperwork now seeing it'll take 5-6+ months before someone looks at it anyway? What are people going to do that are building their own? Curious your thoughts. Thanks for your help! Form 1 e-filing is actually rather quick right now. If you formed a trust, then filed on-line, it would be hit or miss as to whether or not it was on their "desk" prior to the law being in effect. |
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Posted: 5/26/2015 12:38:41 PM EDT
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Form 1 e-filing is actually rather quick right now. If you formed a trust, then filed on-line, it would be hit or miss as to whether or not it was on their "desk" prior to the law being in effect. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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With the law change this creates a unique situation for us in MN. I plan on building my own can, and submitting a Form 1. Question is, do I need to wait for the law to become active, or do I submit my paperwork now seeing it'll take 5-6+ months before someone looks at it anyway? What are people going to do that are building their own? Curious your thoughts. Thanks for your help! Form 1 e-filing is actually rather quick right now. If you formed a trust, then filed on-line, it would be hit or miss as to whether or not it was on their "desk" prior to the law being in effect. Form 1's are taking mini 75 days right now, GOCRA just posted this on their FB page "We talked to the ATF this morning, and they confirmed that even if you mailed in your paperwork today, it would almost certainly be later than July 1 before anyone actually looked at your eligibility.".. I filed a form 1 this morning and it went pending research, I am not to worried about it. If anything they will probably leave it in research status until July 1st. |
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Posted: 5/26/2015 1:11:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If this is true, it is going to get expensive for me. It's true. My Wife may be starting a "support" group for similarly affected "Wives of Gun Nuts". |
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Posted: 5/26/2015 7:44:01 PM EDT
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I think just for shits & giggles I'll show up to the range, and training classes with a Y-Comp / muzzle brake - because I'm an asshole like that.
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Posted: 5/26/2015 8:57:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think just for shits & giggles I'll show up to the range, and training classes with a Y-Comp / muzzle brake - because I'm an asshole like that. You clearly must have forgot on how much I hate muzzle brakes  |
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Posted: 5/26/2015 9:37:14 PM EDT
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I think just for shits & giggles I'll show up to the range, and training classes with a Y-Comp / muzzle brake - because I'm an asshole like that. Just don't line up next to me with any kind of brake. I did a class with EAG that had me between muzzle brakes. Waist of my time, ammo, and money. It was pure hell, and I wasn't allowed to change spots. 
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Posted: 5/26/2015 10:32:39 PM EDT
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I think just for shits & giggles I'll show up to the range, and training classes with a Y-Comp / muzzle brake - because I'm an asshole like that. The only reason to have a muzzle break is if it is inside of a can. |
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Posted: 5/27/2015 9:42:46 AM EDT
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This begs me to ask a few questions as a suppressor newbie.
I will be looking to add a few to the collection - 5.56 10.5" SBR - AAC SDN 762 300 BLK 10.5" SBR - AAC SDN 762 Spikes Tactical Mid-length ST-22 Upper - Silencerco Sparrow (SS?) The SBRs are not built yet so I have some flexibility in building them up. Seeing the talks on muzzle brakes, what will and wont work with the above. The ST-22 is already built, and I would have to look at what is currently installed. Are suppressors typically threaded and easy to remove? I would like to keep one each on the SBRs. I am going to root around in the other threads to teach myself some more, but figured I would ask the locals here first. |
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Posted: 5/27/2015 10:27:21 AM EDT
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This begs me to ask a few questions as a suppressor newbie. I will be looking to add a few to the collection - 5.56 10.5" SBR - AAC SDN 762 300 BLK 10.5" SBR - AAC SDN 762 Spikes Tactical Mid-length ST-22 Upper - Silencerco Sparrow (SS?) The SBRs are not built yet so I have some flexibility in building them up. Seeing the talks on muzzle brakes, what will and wont work with the above. The ST-22 is already built, and I would have to look at what is currently installed. Are suppressors typically threaded and easy to remove? I would like to keep one each on the SBRs. I am going to root around in the other threads to teach myself some more, but figured I would ask the locals here first. You're going to need an AAC 51T mount for the SDN. The sparrow will thread onto any 1/2x28 thread that is .400 long. Most AR barrels are threaded .600 long so you will need a spacer. My Spectre 2 came with one but that was a year ago when I bought it. I don't know if SiCo is still shipping them with spacers. |
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Posted: 5/27/2015 11:26:42 AM EDT
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This is great news. I'm moving to the state as we speak. I had amended my trust to add a relative as a Co-Trustee. Poor him doesn't get to enjoy my suppressor. I'll be bringing it with me.
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Posted: 5/27/2015 3:01:02 PM EDT
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Just don't line up next to me with any kind of brake. I did a class with EAG that had me between muzzle brakes. Waist of my time, ammo, and money. It was pure hell, and I wasn't allowed to change spots. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think just for shits & giggles I'll show up to the range, and training classes with a Y-Comp / muzzle brake - because I'm an asshole like that. Just don't line up next to me with any kind of brake. I did a class with EAG that had me between muzzle brakes. Waist of my time, ammo, and money. It was pure hell, and I wasn't allowed to change spots. You're kidding. Fuck that. I'd have been in someone's ass for shit like that. Put the clowns that rock those ultra loud brakes next to each other down on their own side of the range. Better yet, don't allow them in the class. I did a class a few years ago and had a dude with one of those Springfield M1A's that's shortened, has the massive brake, and a front sight post about six sizes too wide two positions down from me. It was still stupid loud and felt like someone was slapping me. Every time I felt him shoot, I'd look over to determine whether or not he fired his gun or had touched off a bomb. Hopefully suppressors will alleviate that crap to a massive degree. |
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Posted: 5/27/2015 4:55:09 PM EDT
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You're kidding. Fuck that. I'd have been in someone's ass for shit like that. Put the clowns that rock those ultra loud brakes next to each other down on their own side of the range. Better yet, don't allow them in the class. I did a class a few years ago and had a dude with one of those Springfield M1A's that's shortened, has the massive brake, and a front sight post about six sizes too wide two positions down from me. It was still stupid loud and felt like someone was slapping me. Every time I felt him shoot, I'd look over to determine whether or not he fired his gun or had touched off a bomb. Hopefully suppressors will alleviate that crap to a massive degree. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think just for shits & giggles I'll show up to the range, and training classes with a Y-Comp / muzzle brake - because I'm an asshole like that. Just don't line up next to me with any kind of brake. I did a class with EAG that had me between muzzle brakes. Waist of my time, ammo, and money. It was pure hell, and I wasn't allowed to change spots. You're kidding. Fuck that. I'd have been in someone's ass for shit like that. Put the clowns that rock those ultra loud brakes next to each other down on their own side of the range. Better yet, don't allow them in the class. I did a class a few years ago and had a dude with one of those Springfield M1A's that's shortened, has the massive brake, and a front sight post about six sizes too wide two positions down from me. It was still stupid loud and felt like someone was slapping me. Every time I felt him shoot, I'd look over to determine whether or not he fired his gun or had touched off a bomb. Hopefully suppressors will alleviate that crap to a massive degree. I didn't realize so many people had issues with brakes on rifles. I've purposely ran next to people with brakes at classes to see how it felt and had no issues. While I try to be as courteous as possible (my rifle is a 12.5" SBR with a Surefire brake) it's inevitable that it's going to get loud at a shooting range. I've even shot next to someone who borrowed said SBR and had no problems with shooting the drills. Maybe I'm just a masochist... |
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Posted: 5/27/2015 6:33:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't realize so many people had issues with brakes on rifles. I've purposely ran next to people with brakes at classes to see how it felt and had no issues. While I try to be as courteous as possible (my rifle is a 12.5" SBR with a Surefire brake) it's inevitable that it's going to get loud at a shooting range. I've even shot next to someone who borrowed said SBR and had no problems with shooting the drills. Maybe I'm just a masochist... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think just for shits & giggles I'll show up to the range, and training classes with a Y-Comp / muzzle brake - because I'm an asshole like that. Just don't line up next to me with any kind of brake. I did a class with EAG that had me between muzzle brakes. Waist of my time, ammo, and money. It was pure hell, and I wasn't allowed to change spots. You're kidding. Fuck that. I'd have been in someone's ass for shit like that. Put the clowns that rock those ultra loud brakes next to each other down on their own side of the range. Better yet, don't allow them in the class. I did a class a few years ago and had a dude with one of those Springfield M1A's that's shortened, has the massive brake, and a front sight post about six sizes too wide two positions down from me. It was still stupid loud and felt like someone was slapping me. Every time I felt him shoot, I'd look over to determine whether or not he fired his gun or had touched off a bomb. Hopefully suppressors will alleviate that crap to a massive degree. I didn't realize so many people had issues with brakes on rifles. I've purposely ran next to people with brakes at classes to see how it felt and had no issues. While I try to be as courteous as possible (my rifle is a 12.5" SBR with a Surefire brake) it's inevitable that it's going to get loud at a shooting range. I've even shot next to someone who borrowed said SBR and had no problems with shooting the drills. Maybe I'm just a masochist... |
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Posted: 5/27/2015 7:53:30 PM EDT
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You're going to need an AAC 51T mount for the SDN. The sparrow will thread onto any 1/2x28 thread that is .400 long. Most AR barrels are threaded .600 long so you will need a spacer. My Spectre 2 came with one but that was a year ago when I bought it. I don't know if SiCo is still shipping them with spacers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This begs me to ask a few questions as a suppressor newbie. I will be looking to add a few to the collection - 5.56 10.5" SBR - AAC SDN 762 300 BLK 10.5" SBR - AAC SDN 762 Spikes Tactical Mid-length ST-22 Upper - Silencerco Sparrow (SS?) The SBRs are not built yet so I have some flexibility in building them up. Seeing the talks on muzzle brakes, what will and wont work with the above. The ST-22 is already built, and I would have to look at what is currently installed. Are suppressors typically threaded and easy to remove? I would like to keep one each on the SBRs. I am going to root around in the other threads to teach myself some more, but figured I would ask the locals here first. You're going to need an AAC 51T mount for the SDN. The sparrow will thread onto any 1/2x28 thread that is .400 long. Most AR barrels are threaded .600 long so you will need a spacer. My Spectre 2 came with one but that was a year ago when I bought it. I don't know if SiCo is still shipping them with spacers. The main advantage to sticking with ONE specific manufacturer that utilizes a standardized muzzle device (flash/comp/whatever) with their own proprietary attachment method is that they are typically less susceptible to thread wear. The fine 1/2"-28 and 5/8-24 threaded suppressors are FINE threads. Meaning they are easily damaged if there is dirt & crap on the threads, and if you repeatedly swap it around from one weapon to another, those threads can wear out. Since my suppressor will live out 90% of its time on a 300 BLK, and 10% of its life on a 308 bolt gun, I went with a quality can from a lesser known brand that uses 5/8" threads. If I knew for sure I'd be swapping it around a lot, I'd do more research, choose carefully for attachment methods, pick the most robust & consistent, and buy numerous muzzle devices for all the weapons onto which it might be attached. This will increase the lifespan of the suppressor without wearing out the threaded muzzle end cap. So you have to weigh your options on how you will most likely use your suppressor. If your can is going to likely spend most of its time on ONE weapon - I'd say go with conventional 1/2" or 5/8" threads... If you're going to swap it around a lot, go with a dedicated attachment method to avoid wearing out your fine threads. |
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Posted: 5/27/2015 9:47:41 PM EDT
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The report of the brakes wasn't the issue, the muzzle blast was. I wore foam ear plugs under my electronic muffs.
Battle comp on the right, and a surefire on the left. I flinched every time one went off. So I waited for them to shot, and I get chastised for holding up the course of fire. Asked to be moved, said once we line up that's your assigned spot, for the next 3 days. The next class I'll take will be if brakes are not allowed. I'm starting to see that more and more. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 9:40:13 AM EDT
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The report of the brakes wasn't the issue, the muzzle blast was. I wore foam ear plugs under my electronic muffs. Battle comp on the right, and a surefire on the left. I flinched every time one went off. So I waited for them to shot, and I get chastised for holding up the course of fire. Asked to be moved, said once we line up that's your assigned spot, for the next 3 days. The next class I'll take will be if brakes are not allowed. I'm starting to see that more and more. I understand what you're saying. In my example above, I gave my 12.5" gun with Surefire to the shooter next to me for an extended drill and then altered my position in relation to the brake. At one point, I was directly even with the brake and about 4 feet to the left and didn't have any problem. I have taken a couple of classes where I've been next to some BattleComps, a Spike's Dynacomp, KAC Triple Tap and MAMS. To me, it's just a chance to practice shooting through distractions. Or, again, I may just be a masochist with respect to muzzle concussion... |
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