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Posted: 4/4/2014 5:55:09 AM EDT
He actually attended a rally that supported the legalization of cock fighting? Does he really think this will help him? How could he be so stupid?
http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2014/04/02/matt-bevin-attended-cockfighting-rally/7223291/ |
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He didn't know the rally was about legalizing cock-fighting just like he didn't know the Entrepreneurial Masters Program he took at MIT's Endicott campus was in no way affiliated with MIT?
IMO, this guy is a liar and/or a fool? Either way, I wouldn't vote for him. |
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IMO, this guy is a liar and/or a fool? Either way, I wouldn't vote for him. View Quote ^ This ^ Public speaking 101, you need to know your audience. I'm not a fan of cockfighting but quite frankly I don't give a damn about it. We have bigger problems to deal with. If he wants to go speak to some "controversial" group about states rights, thats fine. If he goes to that group then says "I didn't know who they were" thats just dumb. What sucks is the GOP primary is just making Grimes look not quite as dumb as she really is. Check out the list of candidates here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Kentucky,_2014 |
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Oh and don't forget this will hurt Bevin less than McConnells dumbassery on his basketball themed ad.
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He actually attended a rally that supported the legalization of cock fighting? Does he really think this will help him? How could he be so stupid? http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2014/04/02/matt-bevin-attended-cockfighting-rally/7223291/ View Quote Just saw the story on WKYT. This will not go well for him. I tend to see more people today beating the animal right drum than I have in the past. He's done. While I'm not pro-cockfighting, I think it ranks pretty low on our list of problems. I still see people I know post negative shit about Michael Vick on social media and that was YEARS ago. First McConnell's add showed Duke basketball instead of KY, now this...Why does the GOP continue to do retard level shit during election time? It is like they are actively trying to lose. |
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Refreshing seeing a politician with a "don't give a rats a** " attitude and attend such a rally.
Unfortunately, he's backpedaling now |
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He didn't know the rally was about legalizing cock-fighting just like he didn't know the Entrepreneurial Masters Program he took at MIT's Endicott campus was in no way affiliated with MIT? IMO, this guy is a liar and/or a fool? Either way, I wouldn't vote for him. View Quote Amen |
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He didn't know the rally was about legalizing cock-fighting just like he didn't know the Entrepreneurial Masters Program he took at MIT's Endicott campus was in no way affiliated with MIT? IMO, this guy is a liar and/or a fool? Either way, I wouldn't vote for him. View Quote ...and apparently a freind of and financial supporter of Greg Fisher... Sick and tired of Mitch but we HAVE to beat Grimes... |
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...and apparently a freind of and financial supporter of Greg Fisher... Sick and tired of Mitch but we HAVE to beat Grimes... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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He didn't know the rally was about legalizing cock-fighting just like he didn't know the Entrepreneurial Masters Program he took at MIT's Endicott campus was in no way affiliated with MIT? IMO, this guy is a liar and/or a fool? Either way, I wouldn't vote for him. ...and apparently a freind of and financial supporter of Greg Fisher... Sick and tired of Mitch but we HAVE to beat Grimes... Who is Greg Fisher? |
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He didn't know the rally was about legalizing cock-fighting just like he didn't know the Entrepreneurial Masters Program he took at MIT's Endicott campus was in no way affiliated with MIT? IMO, this guy is a liar and/or a fool? Either way, I wouldn't vote for him. ...and apparently a freind of and financial supporter of Greg Fisher... Sick and tired of Mitch but we HAVE to beat Grimes... Who is Greg Fisher? Mayor of Louisville |
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It just highlights how big of an armature politician Bevin's is. Everything about his campaign has felt like that and now this issue pretty much proves it. No wonder the Dems keep supporting him in the primary.
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It just highlights how big of an armature politician Bevin's is. Everything about his campaign has felt like that and now this issue pretty much proves it. No wonder the Dems keep supporting him in the primary. View Quote That's what I'm thinking. Where is all this money coming from for Bevin's commercials? More than likely Dems that want to see McConnell spend a load of his cash to counteract them. I like Matt, but no track record or resume...think I'm gonna stick with Mitch again. |
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Have you guys heard Bevin at all? This thread makes me want to stab forks in my eyes.
I will vote for Grimes over Mitch. In a heartbeat. It's Bevin or bust. |
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So you are hoping for Obama in dress instead of Mitch who is a strong 2A supporter. Party comes first and if Obama pushes a gun control bill Grimes will have her arm twisted until she is on board. Grimes being will then be our Senator for another 30+ years. Why are you even on this site if that is what you want to happen?
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Quoted: Have you guys heard Bevin at all? View Quote As for that question, yes I have. I had to track down videos of him speaking. There is no way an amateur like Bevin can with that strategy because he is not getting his message out. He is waiting for people to come to him. Meanwhile I've received multiple mailings from McConnell. McConnell got his message out Bevin has not. I was hoping Bevin would step up and play at the pro level but he hasn't.
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And a member of Mayors Against Illegal Guns. This brings Bevins' 2A credentials into question. Can you cite a source that Bevin supported Fischer? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Mayor of Louisville And a member of Mayors Against Illegal Guns. This brings Bevins' 2A credentials into question. Can you cite a source that Bevin supported Fischer? Well, I can't remember so I searched and found THIS |
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Quoted: View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Have you guys heard Bevin at all? As for that question, yes I have. I had to track down videos of him speaking. There is no way an amateur like Bevin can with that strategy because he is not getting his message out. He is waiting for people to come to him. Meanwhile I've received multiple mailings from McConnell. McConnell got his message out Bevin has not. I was hoping Bevin would step up and play at the pro level but he hasn't. That is 180° from what I'm seeing. Bevin yard signs, I've seen hundreds. I think I've seen ONE McConnell. Yes I've gotten phony, smarmy mailings from McConnell but plenty from Matt, too (at least 3, definitely more than I've gotten from McConnell). Bevin has been getting all the press lately on Glenn Beck, on the 55KRC morning show (I forget that host's name) plus the big event last weekend from FreedomWorks in Louisville. Bevin is criss-crossing the state speaking at every event he can; McConnell is in Washington from what I can tell. The polls aren't showing it close yet but I can't imagine McConnell voters being motivated to get out for the primary. Bevin voters definitely are. And yes I'd rather have Obama in a dress than McConnell. |
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So you are hoping for Obama in dress instead of Mitch who is a strong 2A supporter. Party comes first and if Obama pushes a gun control bill Grimes will have her arm twisted until she is on board. Grimes being will then be our Senator for another 30+ years. Why are you even on this site if that is what you want to happen? View Quote The same Mitch who voted for the Violent Crime and Law Enforcement Act before voting against just before it went to the president? The same Mitch who voted for the PATRIOT Act, one of the largest violations of the 4th Amendment in the last fifty years? The same Mitch who still says he is for smaller government? If Mitch wins the primary, I'll vote third party. |
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If Mitch wins the primary, I'll vote third party. View Quote I'll hold you to that. David Patterson Libertarian for Senate He'll need people to help collect signatures for ballot access too. If you want your "out" make sure you support the LPKY. |
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I'll hold you to that. David Patterson Libertarian for Senate He'll need people to help collect signatures for ballot access too. If you want your "out" make sure you support the LPKY. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If Mitch wins the primary, I'll vote third party. I'll hold you to that. David Patterson Libertarian for Senate He'll need people to help collect signatures for ballot access too. If you want your "out" make sure you support the LPKY. I've been following his progress, and hope he makes it to the ballot. |
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I will absolutely NOT vote for Mitch. I am DONE voting for progressives just because they have an R behind their name.
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Sorry it irks you; I'd rather have overtly not-conservative than covertly not-conservative. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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And yes I'd rather have Obama in a dress than McConnell. Brilliant! Sorry it irks you; I'd rather have overtly not-conservative than covertly not-conservative. So...as a self proclaimed gun guy you would rather vote for the candidate that would readily abridge your 2A rights vs. the guy that won't? Makes sense |
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Quoted: So...as a self proclaimed gun guy you would rather vote for the candidate that would readily abridge your 2A rights vs. the guy that won't? Makes sense View Quote So...a Republican who has betrayed your values on some issues surely won't betray your values on others, right? I don't want to ramp things up here in HTF. This isn't GD. I've met a lot of you guys. We probably aren't going to agree on this. I can see your side; a Republican is better because the R's could gain control of the Senate, etc. I have just passed the point where I can no longer vote with a "Hollywood Squares" strategy of picking someone "for the block" or to prevent someone worse from getting in. If a candidate doesn't represent my values, he's not getting my vote. I've heard all the arguments about letting the perfect be the enemy of the good, and I get that. I just can't abide it any more. You vote the way you want, I'll vote the way I want. I am very encouraged by all the support I see for Bevin around the state, and I'm glad that in this thread I've learned of an alternative to Mitch if Bevin does not prevail in the primary. Because no matter what happens, Mitch will not be getting another vote from me. |
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Sorry it irks you; I'd rather have overtly not-conservative than covertly not-conservative. View Quote It doesn't irk me, I just think its stupid and short sighted. Quoted:
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So...as a self proclaimed gun guy you would rather vote for the candidate that would readily abridge your 2A rights vs. the guy that won't? Makes sense View Quote So...a Republican who has betrayed your values on some issues surely won't betray your values on others, right? View Quote How do you know what my values are or that he betrayed them? Either way, I'd still prefer a Republican who may let me down on some issues as opposed to a Democrat who is all but guaranteed to let me down on most of them. I do find it funny (in an ironic sort of way) that some uber-conservatives seem to think he's too weak and willing to compromise yet the Democrats think he's too powerful, uncompromising and one of the main reasons why the democrats have failed to pass most of their agenda this term. |
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-snip- I do find it funny (in an ironic sort of way) that some uber-conservatives seem to think he's too weak and willing to compromise yet the Democrats think he's too powerful, uncompromising and one of the main reasons why the democrats have failed to pass most of their agenda this term. View Quote Modern Democrats are Socialists. If Jack Kennedy tried to run today, he would be laughed out of the Democrat primary, and the Republican party probably wouldn't run him either. Barry Goldwater? He would have been turned down day one as far too conservative. |
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http://www.wdrb.com/story/25300150/sen-mcconnell-will-not-attend-mondays-republican-primary-debate
Mitch won't be attending the KET primary debate. Its smart politics but it seems really callous and disconnected from the voters. |
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Look boys, the bottom line is this, McConnell isn't perfect, he also isn't the devil.
All you guys hating on him ought to walk a mile in his shoes and get back to us. His job has not been an easy one since O and company took over but he has held his people together for the most part. He is also the Senate Minority Leader and hopefully soon to become the Majority leader. That is a powerful position that a state like KY probably won't have again in our lifetimes. Now he needs to STFU about any "war on the TEA party" and get on with business. Nobody is going to beat him except himself. Barring any serious revelations I can't stomach, he'll get my vote, AGAIN. My 2 cents and worth exactly what you paid for it. |
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^this
Losing the senate minority leader would be a huge loss for republicans. The democrats are gunning for Mitch because of this. I wouldn't be surprised if they are secretly backing or funding Bevin. |
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^this Losing the senate minority leader would be a huge loss for republicans. The democrats are gunning for Mitch because of this. I wouldn't be surprised if they are secretly backing or funding Bevin. View Quote I'd bet money on it. The easiest / cheapest way to get rid of him is to beat him in the primary. The Dems will be out in force stuffing every ballot box they can on primary day. Count on it. |
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http://www.redstate.com/2013/10/20/chuck-schumer-introduces-the-mcconnell-rule/ http://www.redstate.com/2014/02/04/matt-bevin-in-kentucky-polls-better-against-the-democrat-than-mcconnell-does/ View Quote Yawn. So Schumer decides to take an op to make Mitch look bad...... mkay. And the other link is meh as well, written by what looks to be a rabid anti incumbant or at least anti Mitch publication. Like I said, Mitch isn't perfect but he will be in a very advantageous position for us as majority leader. He won't get too far out of hand because Rand can sic the TEA party on him at will and again, I'd rather have Mitch in the Leader's seat than Bevin as a rookie swimming upstream for years before HOPEFULLY becoming a mover/shaker. We can get more out of Mitch than Bevin will deliver for many years, if ever. A bird in the hand and all..... YMMV |
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If you mean this as in earmarks and federal money, you're right. But that's not what I'm after. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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We can get more out of Mitch than Bevin will deliver for many years, if ever. If you mean this as in earmarks and federal money, you're right. But that's not what I'm after. I worded that poorly, however, I assume you're referring to the earmark for the bridge replacement at Cincinnati that made the headlines awhile back, yes, that IS one of the things the Maj. Ldr. can do for KY. And it is a serious need, not pork. That structure is coming on 50 years old and needs to be replaced before something very bad happens. Not to mention that it is a major structure in the interstate system of the United States. I would imagine it is classified as "critical Infrastructure". But as to my previous post, I meant more that going forward, the interests of KY will be factored into bills introduced on many issues. That can't be a bad thing and if we lose the Maj Ldr. all specific considerations of Kentuckians will have to be conveyed to and through someone that may not be inclined to care what a small state with few electoral votes in flyover country thinks or needs. |
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Look boys, the bottom line is this, McConnell isn't perfect, he also isn't the devil. All you guys hating on him ought to walk a mile in his shoes and get back to us. His job has not been an easy one since O and company took over but he has held his people together for the most part. He is also the Senate Minority Leader and hopefully soon to become the Majority leader. That is a powerful position that a state like KY probably won't have again in our lifetimes. Now he needs to STFU about any "war on the TEA party" and get on with business. Nobody is going to beat him except himself. Barring any serious revelations I can't stomach, he'll get my vote, AGAIN. My 2 cents and worth exactly what you paid for it. View Quote +1 |
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Quoted: But as to my previous post, I meant more that going forward, the interests of KY will be factored into bills introduced on many issues. That can't be a bad thing and if we lose the Maj Ldr. all specific considerations of Kentuckians will have to be conveyed to and through someone that may not be inclined to care what a small state with few electoral votes in flyover country thinks or needs. View Quote I understand this; it means we have different goals and things that we're voting for, but at least I can see your logic. Thanks for explaining. |
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I understand this; it means we have different goals and things that we're voting for, but at least I can see your logic. Thanks for explaining. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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But as to my previous post, I meant more that going forward, the interests of KY will be factored into bills introduced on many issues. That can't be a bad thing and if we lose the Maj Ldr. all specific considerations of Kentuckians will have to be conveyed to and through someone that may not be inclined to care what a small state with few electoral votes in flyover country thinks or needs. I understand this; it means we have different goals and things that we're voting for, but at least I can see your logic. Thanks for explaining. Now, can you explain to me how any realistic successor to Mitch will be of more benefit to KY or the country than Mitch in the Maj. Ldr. role? |
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Can Rand Paul hold both Senate seats? :D View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Now, can you explain to me how any realistic successor to Mitch will be of more benefit to KY or the country than Mitch in the Maj. Ldr. role? Can Rand Paul hold both Senate seats? :D You know, even though Rand is the "junior" Senator, I think he's holdin Mitch's balls pretty tight. It's a win win. |
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You know, Rand Paul seems to be walking a fine line and doing it very well. For the most part he's staying true to his principles, but he's keeping it reined in enough that he's very electable. He's being respectful to Mitch while not always agreeing with him. It did piss me off when he endorsed Mitch, but when asked about it he said "He was running un-opposed when he asked for my endorsement so I gave it." Again that's walking a very fine line, but so far it seems to be working.
Quoted: Now, can you explain to me how any realistic successor to Mitch will be of more benefit to KY or the country than Mitch in the Maj. Ldr. role? View Quote Again, you and I have different goals. I want to vote for people who will be a poison pill in Washington: to tear down FedGov from the inside. So the "benefit" I'm looking for is gridlock, at worst, and reduction of services, spending, scope and reach of the Federal Government at best. Yes someone in a leader role CAN make those things happen, but Mitch has shown no desire to do so. He's a progressive on the right. I have no use for him. And in fact he can be more of a detriment to my cause than a progressive on the left, because other folks on the right will go along with him. Grimes would face opposition from the right (I hope). |
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So you would rather give up all the possible good that can come KY's way with Mitch in the leadership and Rand keeping watch on him to a rookie who may or may not beat greasy Grimes in the general.
Do you have any idea how much money the Demagogues will put behind her if Bevin wins the primary? And the national Republicans won't invest shit in a rookie to fight for a seat with no power when the KY people just shot themselves in the face by primarying Mitch out. They'll leave Bevin twisting in the wind for sure and how could you blame them? It sounds like a perfect scenario to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory doesn't it? Sorry, but I see no upside to your position because even if Bevin gets in there, nobody is going to give a shit what he thinks or says for years if at all. To this point he has not shown any great leadership abilities or much of anything that distinguishes him from the pack. Rand did much better and continues to impress. Mitch knows that he stepped in shit when Rand was running and he also knows that if Rand comes out hard against him, he's toast. Hence my previous statement regarding Mitch's balls. And this all ASSUMES that Bevin gets by grimey Grimes which would by no means be a certainty. What happens if she gets in there? You know how hard it typically is to beat an incumbent. How would you like to be saddled with her for 30 or 40 years? It seems to me you're willing to make a Hell of a bet with very poor pot odds but hey, it's your vote and I thank you for the explanation. |
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...so... did I really hear Bevin say that our founding fathers were cockfighters?
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Bevin does not have the money to compete with the other two , Grimes is Obama in a dress , McConnell is a crook . But I have had enough of Obama and his shit !
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For those of you who want another option, please grab a petition for David Patterson: http://david4senate.com/d4s_petition_download
If you don't help get other options on the ballot you're left with a None Of The Above vote which isn't ever counted. If you vote new party instead of D or R, it is counted and sends a strong signal. |
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For those of you who want another option, please grab a petition for David Patterson: http://david4senate.com/d4s_petition_download If you don't help get other options on the ballot you're left with a None Of The Above vote which isn't ever counted. If you vote new party instead of D or R, it is counted and sends a strong signal. View Quote Why should I vote for that guy? His web site lists him as a strong supporter of gay rights and immigration reform but I don't see anything addressing 2nd Ammendment rights. |
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Why should I vote for that guy? His web site lists him as a strong supporter of gay rights and immigration reform but I don't see anything addressing 2nd Ammendment rights. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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For those of you who want another option, please grab a petition for David Patterson: http://david4senate.com/d4s_petition_download If you don't help get other options on the ballot you're left with a None Of The Above vote which isn't ever counted. If you vote new party instead of D or R, it is counted and sends a strong signal. Why should I vote for that guy? His web site lists him as a strong supporter of gay rights and immigration reform but I don't see anything addressing 2nd Ammendment rights. I'm not going to waste a vote for someone with no chance of getting elected (and I don't believe in that "sending a message" BS) but that said... What's wrong with supporting gay rights or immigration reform? Granted with any issue it comes down to the specifics. We may not all agree on what that reform should be but but in generally, nobody can argue that we don't need some type of immigration reform. As for gay rights, I'm not saying they deserve "special" rights or should be in a "protected class" (Nobody should IMO) but there is no reason IMO why gay people shouldn't have the same rights and protection as anybody else. Maybe you think homosexuality is somehow wrong, immoral or a sin against your God or whatever your hangup might be? That's fine, it's your right to think or believe whatever you want. However you don't have the right to push your beliefs onto others. If 2 men or 2 woman want to have sex, get married, have a family or whatever, that's their business and doesn't infringe on your rights or freedoms in any way, shape or form so how can you justify restricting theirs? Its really a shame but there are so many people in this country that really have no clue as to what Freedom and Liberty really means. |
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Look boys, the bottom line is this, McConnell isn't perfect, he also isn't the devil. All you guys hating on him ought to walk a mile in his shoes and get back to us. His job has not been an easy one since O and company took over but he has held his people together for the most part. He is also the Senate Minority Leader and hopefully soon to become the Majority leader. That is a powerful position that a state like KY probably won't have again in our lifetimes. Now he needs to STFU about any "war on the TEA party" and get on with business. Nobody is going to beat him except himself. Barring any serious revelations I can't stomach, he'll get my vote, AGAIN. My 2 cents and worth exactly what you paid for it. +1 +2 |
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Why should I vote for that guy? His web site lists him as a strong supporter of gay rights and immigration reform but I don't see anything addressing 2nd Ammendment rights. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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For those of you who want another option, please grab a petition for David Patterson: http://david4senate.com/d4s_petition_download If you don't help get other options on the ballot you're left with a None Of The Above vote which isn't ever counted. If you vote new party instead of D or R, it is counted and sends a strong signal. Why should I vote for that guy? His web site lists him as a strong supporter of gay rights and immigration reform but I don't see anything addressing 2nd Ammendment rights. He's a pro-gun LEO. We were both carrying when we met and regularly BS about firearms. I'll hit him with a stick and remind him to add that to his platform. Voting Libertarian in Kentucky does influence elections. LP candidates and LP votes remind the dixie-crats to leave our guns alone and reminds the red-staters to stay out of our bedrooms. I understand the Senate race is very very important and if its close I'll be using my vote strategically and voting for the lesser of two evils (McConnell or Bevin) instead of voting on principle and platform (Patterson). EDIT - One more reason to at least sign the petition for Patterson. David responded in 5 minutes on Facebook, https://www.facebook.com/DavidPatterson4Senate2014 . You won't get a fast response from any other candidate. |
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