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Posted: 10/6/2014 6:25:20 PM EDT
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if there is no sign, you're good to go.
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Posted: 10/6/2014 6:54:47 PM EDT
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if there is no sign, you're good to go. Quote HistoryQuoted:
if there is no sign, you're good to go. This sounds a lot like the conversation going on in the Mom's Demand Action thread Quoted:
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SHOP AT KROGER COMPETITORS THAT HAVE GUN SENSE This weekend, do your grocery shopping at a store that has stood up for customer safety by prohibiting open carry. Send us photos of where you shopped instead of Kroger, what you bought or your receipt, and include a sign that says #GroceriesNotGuns. Tweet your pics to @Kroger and post them to Kroger’s Facebook page. Then email them to [email protected]. Stores with gun sense policies include: Costco Target Giant Whole Foods Sprouts Farmers Market http://momsdemandaction.org/groceriesnotguns/ Oh, I understand what they're taking as a "win", or "gun sense" policies. But of the stores we have in Illinois none have actually posted - making their property actual GFZ's under Illinois law - with the exception of Whole Foods, who didn't need the Marxists to do so. The OC types - the same people pushing the envelope using press events instead of becoming involved on a local or state political level and causing a large negative reaction against all gun owners - take any comment, policy or statement, no matter how ineffective or unenforced, as a restriction, and jump on the "THEY BE RESTRICTING MAH TWO AY RIGHTS!!!" bandwagon... Meanwhile, the Marxists Disarming America aren't as insistent on having the chain post or issue and enforce a strict no-gun policy. They take any and all vague statements with no force of law as supporting their position - kind of like including suicides and lawfully justified homiceds as "victims of gun violence" to artificially inflate their numbers. Consider one of the purported "wins" - this one from the Target website: As you’ve likely seen in the media, there has been a debate about whether guests in communities that permit “open carry” should be allowed to bring firearms into Target stores. Our approach has always been to follow local laws, and of course, we will continue to do so. But starting today we will also respectfully request <emphasis added> that guests not bring firearms to Target – even in communities where it is permitted by law. And of course here's another much ballyhooed "win" by the Marxists - the famous Starbuck OMG! guns letter (PDF) We are respectfully requesting <emphasis added> that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas—even in states where “open carry” is permitted—unless they are authorized law enforcement personnel, The two Targets I have near me have not posted. Neither has the Costco, and neither has any Starbucks. A request is not a demand, nor a lawful prohibition, and concealed means concealed, not walking through the aisles on parade for the press photo op (after contacting them the week before) in my snow boots, duck camo and flannel with an AK on my back, a shotgun in high-ready and a bandoleer of shotgun shells Pancho Villa style "just because I can". |
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Posted: 10/7/2014 9:35:50 AM EDT
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if there is no sign, you're good to go. this - now I think Costco has something in the membership agreement - if you get detected and they ask you to leave I'd do so immediately ... |
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Posted: 10/7/2014 12:17:10 PM EDT
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this - now I think Costco has something in the membership agreement - if you get detected and they ask you to leave I'd do so immediately ... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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if there is no sign, you're good to go. this - now I think Costco has something in the membership agreement - if you get detected and they ask you to leave I'd do so immediately ... Still wouldn't be a violation of the statute without a valid posted sign. |
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Posted: 10/7/2014 4:24:21 PM EDT
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The costco and target deal appears to be them requesting people not to open carry.
And given that assholes have at some point decided to do "demonstrations" there and sling up their AK's to go buy tampons, I don't blame them. They are not posted and at least target has stated they will follow local laws but would prefer that the OC'ers toss a jacket over their sidearm. Neither has stated you cannot CONCEAL carry in there stores. Out of sight, out of mind. Funny, that coincides with the tactical advantage too. |
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Posted: 10/7/2014 5:25:32 PM EDT
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Carried into Costco this weekend, no sign. I can't speak as to the membership agreement as I was a guest of a member.
No sign in the Target either. As long as it isn't posted nor one of the many places where carrying isn't allowed by law, school, museum, post office, etc, I am armed |
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Posted: 10/7/2014 10:44:31 PM EDT
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Carried into Costco this weekend, no sign. I can't speak as to the membership agreement as I was a guest of a member. No sign in the Target either. As long as it isn't posted nor one of the many places where carrying isn't allowed by law, school, museum, post office, etc, I am armed I carry at Target all the time. I'm with Photosarv, I carry all the time unless there's a sign or it isn't allowed by law. |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 9:09:53 AM EDT
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The costco and target deal appears to be them requesting people not to open carry. And given that assholes have at some point decided to do "demonstrations" there and sling up their AK's to go buy tampons, I don't blame them. They are not posted and at least target has stated they will follow local laws but would prefer that the OC'ers toss a jacket over their sidearm. Neither has stated you cannot CONCEAL carry in there stores. Out of sight, out of mind. Funny, that coincides with the tactical advantage too. This post is definitely on point. |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 3:04:39 PM EDT
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Still wouldn't be a violation of the statute without a valid posted sign. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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if there is no sign, you're good to go. this - now I think Costco has something in the membership agreement - if you get detected and they ask you to leave I'd do so immediately ... Still wouldn't be a violation of the statute without a valid posted sign. true enough but in the unlikely event you get outed and a store employee asks you to leave seems to be best thing to do is just leave, preferably leaving a big shopping cart full of frozen stuff they'll have to scramble around to get back into the freezer case behind 
barking with some min wage earner at Costco seems a bad idea while armed. |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 8:07:38 PM EDT
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Based on the membership agreement, one can presume a violation of a general policy could result in a revocation of your membership.
Not hotlinked on purpose: http://www.costco.com/member-privileges-conditions.html Membership Membership is available to all qualifying individuals 18 years of age and over. Costco reserves the right to refuse membership to any applicant and membership is revocable without cause. Membership is subject to any and all rules adopted by Costco including our privacy policies and practices, and they may be amended from time to time without notice. General Policies Shirts and shoes are required. Members are welcome to bring their children and up to two guests into the warehouse, however, only Costco members may purchase items. Parents are responsible for their children and should not leave them unattended. Members are responsible for their guests and other family members. Costco reserves the right to inspect any container, backpack, briefcase, etc., upon entering or leaving the warehouse. To ensure that all members are correctly charged for the merchandise purchased, all receipts and merchandise will be inspected as you leave the warehouse. Liquor and tobacco sales cannot be made to minors. Costco policy prohibits firearms to be brought into the warehouse, except in the case of authorized law enforcement officers. |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 9:14:21 PM EDT
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SNIP In the case of Costco, concealed means concealed. I don't give a fuck what your "store policy" says. |
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Posted: 10/8/2014 11:53:07 PM EDT
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Based on the membership agreement, one can presume a violation of a general policy could result in a revocation of your membership. Not hotlinked on purpose: http://www.costco.com/member-privileges-conditions.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
Based on the membership agreement, one can presume a violation of a general policy could result in a revocation of your membership. Not hotlinked on purpose: http://www.costco.com/member-privileges-conditions.html Membership Membership is available to all qualifying individuals 18 years of age and over. Costco reserves the right to refuse membership to any applicant and membership is revocable without cause. Membership is subject to any and all rules adopted by Costco including our privacy policies and practices, and they may be amended from time to time without notice. General Policies Shirts and shoes are required. Members are welcome to bring their children and up to two guests into the warehouse, however, only Costco members may purchase items. Parents are responsible for their children and should not leave them unattended. Members are responsible for their guests and other family members. Costco reserves the right to inspect any container, backpack, briefcase, etc., upon entering or leaving the warehouse. To ensure that all members are correctly charged for the merchandise purchased, all receipts and merchandise will be inspected as you leave the warehouse. Liquor and tobacco sales cannot be made to minors. Costco policy prohibits firearms to be brought into the warehouse, except in the case of authorized law enforcement officers. In Illinois wouldn't they still have to be posted. You have to be a member to buy but not to enter |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 1:00:58 AM EDT
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In Illinois wouldn't they still have to be posted. You have to be a member to buy but not to enter Yes. |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 10:12:40 AM EDT
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In Illinois wouldn't they still have to be posted. You have to be a member to buy but not to enter Yes. true but if they detected you and revoked your membership and then you refused to leave that would be a problem seems like just keep it concealed and carry on ... |
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Posted: 10/9/2014 11:57:25 PM EDT
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true but if they detected you and revoked your membership and then you refused to leave that would be a problem seems like just keep it concealed and carry on ... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In Illinois wouldn't they still have to be posted. You have to be a member to buy but not to enter Yes. true but if they detected you and revoked your membership and then you refused to leave that would be a problem seems like just keep it concealed and carry on ... I carry in both Costco and Target. My wife is a family add-on to a Costco employee membership, I am not a member. I'm torn between no sign = good to go and anti-gun policy = none of my money. |
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Posted: 10/10/2014 4:43:40 AM EDT
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I carry in both Costco and Target. My wife is a family add-on to a Costco employee membership, I am not a member. I'm torn between no sign = good to go and anti-gun policy = none of my money. If they were serious about "no guns" - on the part of good guys and bad - they'd install magnetometers and/or arm their security. While Costco's prohibition is boilerplate, the Target ban is the direct result of attention whoring, and the response is one that allows those of us who don't need to impress others by the presence of our firearms, but gives the appearance of "doing something" that shuts the Marxists up. Well, at least not until the legal need arises. 
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Posted: 10/10/2014 9:48:56 AM EDT
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If they were serious about "no guns" - on the part of good guys and bad - they'd install magnetometers and/or arm their security. While Costco's prohibition is boilerplate, the Target ban is the direct result of attention whoring, and the response is one that allows those of us who don't need to impress others by the presence of our firearms, but gives the appearance of "doing something" that shuts the Marxists up. Well, at least not until the legal need arises. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I carry in both Costco and Target. My wife is a family add-on to a Costco employee membership, I am not a member. I'm torn between no sign = good to go and anti-gun policy = none of my money. If they were serious about "no guns" - on the part of good guys and bad - they'd install magnetometers and/or arm their security. While Costco's prohibition is boilerplate, the Target ban is the direct result of attention whoring, and the response is one that allows those of us who don't need to impress others by the presence of our firearms, but gives the appearance of "doing something" that shuts the Marxists up. Well, at least not until the legal need arises. [humor] Be gone you and your common sense [/humor] |
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Posted: 10/14/2014 9:19:32 PM EDT
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Carried all the time at Costco and Target in TX when we were down there and certainly was not the only other ones. Like it's been said before, concealed means concealed.
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Posted: 10/14/2014 11:45:34 PM EDT
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In Illinois wouldn't they still have to be posted. You have to be a member to buy but not to enter Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Based on the membership agreement, one can presume a violation of a general policy could result in a revocation of your membership. Not hotlinked on purpose: http://www.costco.com/member-privileges-conditions.html Membership Membership is available to all qualifying individuals 18 years of age and over. Costco reserves the right to refuse membership to any applicant and membership is revocable without cause. Membership is subject to any and all rules adopted by Costco including our privacy policies and practices, and they may be amended from time to time without notice. General Policies Shirts and shoes are required. Members are welcome to bring their children and up to two guests into the warehouse, however, only Costco members may purchase items. Parents are responsible for their children and should not leave them unattended. Members are responsible for their guests and other family members. Costco reserves the right to inspect any container, backpack, briefcase, etc., upon entering or leaving the warehouse. To ensure that all members are correctly charged for the merchandise purchased, all receipts and merchandise will be inspected as you leave the warehouse. Liquor and tobacco sales cannot be made to minors. Costco policy prohibits firearms to be brought into the warehouse, except in the case of authorized law enforcement officers. In Illinois wouldn't they still have to be posted. You have to be a member to buy but not to enter That is my understanding, but I am an engineer, not a lawyer. (d) Signs stating that the carrying of firearms is
prohibited shall be clearly and conspicuously posted at the entrance of a building, premises, or real property specified in this Section as a prohibited area, unless the building or premises is a private residence. Signs shall be of a uniform design as established by the Department and shall be 4 inches by 6 inches in size. The Department shall adopt rules for standardized signs to be used under this subsection |
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Posted: 10/15/2014 10:05:39 AM EDT
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That is my understanding, but I am an engineer, not a lawyer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
That is my understanding, but I am an engineer, not a lawyer. (d) Signs stating that the carrying of firearms is
prohibited shall be clearly and conspicuously posted at the entrance of a building, premises, or real property specified in this Section as a prohibited area, unless the building or premises is a private residence. Signs shall be of a uniform design as established by the Department and shall be 4 inches by 6 inches in size. The Department shall adopt rules for standardized signs to be used under this subsection true - they can't have you arrested under FCCA (well shouldn't be able) without a compliant sign. I don't know that anybody has been arrested under Sect 65 D yet so we don't know how compliant a sign needs to be Now if you were caught in Costco and they instantly revoked your membership and asked you to leave and you refused - then 1. you're being an ass clown 2. they might be able to pinch you on trespassing Carry on and carry concealed |
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