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Posted: 9/1/2015 9:03:24 PM EDT
I was all ready to pick up my new pistol today from my dealer. As he is calling it in, he said it is very possible I won't get the approval today. He said he has a very good customer who buys a gun a month, and he has not been approved for 4 days now.
I waited for a half hour, and the approval never came. He was going to call tonight if it came through and I haven't heard. I have never been delayed in the past. He said the holdup is with Wisconsin's system. He gets instant approval on long guns through the Feds. He said this system is worse now, as the state has up to 5 days to approve the transfer. 
He used to be able to have the pistol transfers picked up in 48 hours like clockwork, and now it is just a guessing game. He said perhaps 20% get instant approval. He said he can't understand the delays....especially for us CCW holders, as the state uses the same system to run checks. He suggested I write a letter to complain. Frankly this is bullshit. Anyone else experience this yet? |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 9:08:40 PM EDT
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I've seen a few people get delayed as well, but usually it's only a few hours.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 9:25:56 PM EDT
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I've seen a few people get delayed as well, but usually it's only a few hours. Yep, most go right through. A few get held up but not many. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 9:33:16 PM EDT
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Are you putting your SSN on the forms?
Some people have a similar name (or something else) that gets delayed sometimes. The SSN helps rule that stuff out. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 9:42:41 PM EDT
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Are you putting your SSN on the forms? Some people have a similar name (or something else) that gets delayed sometimes. The SSN helps rule that stuff out. I never have, and he suggested if I never have, no reason to start now. Are you guys referring to long guns? I am specifically referring to handguns transfers under the new rule. Odds are, I will get approved tomorrow, but I just think this wait should not happen with no good reason. Now it is another trip back to the dealer. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 9:44:25 PM EDT
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I've seen a few people get delayed as well, but usually it's only a few hours. I'm not waiting around a few hours. That is still bullshit. Especially for us law abiding CCW holders. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 9:58:31 PM EDT
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The last few I run through online have been no longer then an hour. I don't call anymore just do the checks online.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 10:49:24 PM EDT
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I just bought a handgun yesterday from a pawnshop. Instant approval.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 11:37:31 PM EDT
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Are you putting your SSN on the forms? Some people have a similar name (or something else) that gets delayed sometimes. The SSN helps rule that stuff out. I've acatully had better luck without the SSN, three guns in the same year all delayed, left off the SSN on the next one, instant approval 
FWIW, I have a very uncommon name. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 1:09:39 AM EDT
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The last few I run through online have been no longer then an hour. I don't call anymore just do the checks online. Mine does his online. Not sure the issue then. Well, looks like it might just be him. 
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Posted: 9/2/2015 6:21:41 AM EDT
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I'm not waiting around a few hours. That is still bullshit. Especially for us law abiding CCW holders. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've seen a few people get delayed as well, but usually it's only a few hours. I'm not waiting around a few hours. That is still bullshit. Especially for us law abiding CCW holders. These were all handguns. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 7:13:32 AM EDT
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Are you putting your SSN on the forms? Some people have a similar name (or something else) that gets delayed sometimes. The SSN helps rule that stuff out. Try having a cousin with your name that is currently in jail for attempted murder. What really sucks is we both grew up in Madison around the same time, and are about the same age, height, and weight. He's of mixed race, and I am nearly 100% Irish. But the NCIS database doesn't have "bi-racial" as an option, so he gets filed under caucasian. It was quite the shocker to learn of his existence. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 8:24:41 AM EDT
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These were all handguns. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've seen a few people get delayed as well, but usually it's only a few hours. I'm not waiting around a few hours. That is still bullshit. Especially for us law abiding CCW holders. These were all handguns. Thanks. I got an email late last night that I was approved. Still, it is another trip to the dealer. I guess I expected the approval to be more or less instant, like the federal check for rifles. Hard to believe the Feds have their act together over Wisconsin. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:58:41 AM EDT
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FWIW, the state handgun form doesn't have a line for SSN. The fed form does, but handguns go through the state. so...
Thinking back though, I don't believe I've bought a handgun since the repeal went into effect, just long guns, so quick approval. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:57:56 AM EDT
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I get delayed - guaranteed - so it's really not much of a difference in repealing the 48hr wait period. Honestly when the 48hr was in effect I would usually get handguns faster than long guns or receivers...
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Posted: 9/2/2015 12:45:17 PM EDT
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Only bought one pistol since the repeal. That was about 2 weeks ago.
Sailed right through without delay. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 1:26:08 PM EDT
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Got my first delay ever Friday, on a handgun. Not impressed, probably be 3-4 weeks before I can take off early enough from work again to make it during store hours.
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Posted: 9/3/2015 8:28:31 AM EDT
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I've only bought one handgun since the change, which I bought last week, mine was instant (over the phone).
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Posted: 9/4/2015 6:07:48 PM EDT
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I have a family member that works very close with the state doj, and the firearms dept. is extremely short handed right now.
apparently they just did a round of hiring, so after the new people start it should get better. |
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Posted: 9/5/2015 7:10:40 PM EDT
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Legally change your last name to "Longequieaxym", that should do it.
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Posted: 9/5/2015 7:39:34 PM EDT
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Legally change your last name to "Longequieaxym", that should do it. Is that Aztec? |
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Posted: 9/6/2015 3:24:49 PM EDT
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Are you putting your SSN on the forms? Some people have a similar name (or something else) that gets delayed sometimes. The SSN helps rule that stuff out. I put my SSN on every time, and still get delayed every time, since around 2009 (not even once before then). I have a spotless record, but I seem to have made their shit list, for some reason. Never denied, just delayed every time, regardless of whether it's a handgun or long gun. |
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Posted: 9/8/2015 11:36:23 PM EDT
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Got my first handgun since the repeal and it was the first time I was ever delayed. It took five days. My FFL does the checks online and he said this is common now, especially on weekends (I went in on a Saturday). It's bull...
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Posted: 9/9/2015 2:47:22 PM EDT
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Tried to purchase my first handgun today since the 48hr repel and...surprise!...delayed. The man behind the counter said last one he called in took about 2 hours from the call in to the call back.
I'll update my post when I receive my call back. Edit: Got the call back today which puts the delay around 26 hours. |
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Posted: 9/9/2015 8:18:39 PM EDT
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WI DOJ checks 11 different data bases. That is the hold up. NICS only checks 7 data bases. Nothing in the process changed they just did away with the 48hr mandatory wait. If ANYTHING hits on CCAP it sends up a flag and they have to review to see what it is. Most people have something on CCAP. You notice the time it takes now because you are expecting to walk out with your gun right away whereas before it was 48 minimum wait time. Most checks were completed easily within that time frame. I have seen 1 guy that clears instantly EVERY time. Most take at least 20 min or longer unless you know someone there and they can check one right away for you.
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Posted: 9/19/2015 10:54:50 PM EDT
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The handgun hotline closes at 5:00pm on Saturdays.
The clerk told me I would have been delayed anyway. |
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Posted: 9/20/2015 7:12:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WI DOJ checks 11 different data bases. That is the hold up. NICS only checks 7 data bases. Nothing in the process changed they just did away with the 48hr mandatory wait. If ANYTHING hits on CCAP it sends up a flag and they have to review to see what it is. Most people have something on CCAP. You notice the time it takes now because you are expecting to walk out with your gun right away whereas before it was 48 minimum wait time. Most checks were completed easily within that time frame. I have seen 1 guy that clears instantly EVERY time. Most take at least 20 min or longer unless you know someone there and they can check one right away for you. So? Databases don't sleep. Sure, you gotta reboot stuff once in a while and have an internet connection or two... That's a moderately complicated Perl script and a web form front end for a user interface. Mediocre effort at best. |
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Posted: 9/20/2015 11:25:21 PM EDT
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So? Databases don't sleep. Sure, you gotta reboot stuff once in a while and have an internet connection or two... That's a moderately complicated Perl script and a web form front end for a user interface. Mediocre effort at best. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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WI DOJ checks 11 different data bases. That is the hold up. NICS only checks 7 data bases. Nothing in the process changed they just did away with the 48hr mandatory wait. If ANYTHING hits on CCAP it sends up a flag and they have to review to see what it is. Most people have something on CCAP. You notice the time it takes now because you are expecting to walk out with your gun right away whereas before it was 48 minimum wait time. Most checks were completed easily within that time frame. I have seen 1 guy that clears instantly EVERY time. Most take at least 20 min or longer unless you know someone there and they can check one right away for you. So? Databases don't sleep. Sure, you gotta reboot stuff once in a while and have an internet connection or two... That's a moderately complicated Perl script and a web form front end for a user interface. Mediocre effort at best. BUT, we are talking government agencies keeping these records. I doubt they are fluid enough to do this without a lot of red tape. |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 4:43:44 AM EDT
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I'm not waiting around a few hours. That is still bullshit. Especially for us law abiding CCW holders. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've seen a few people get delayed as well, but usually it's only a few hours. I'm not waiting around a few hours. That is still bullshit. Especially for us law abiding CCW holders. A little birdy told me CCW holders get automatically bumped to a second tier scrutiny! Are you guys hearing what I just said? |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 1:46:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryA little birdy told me CCW holders get automatically bumped to a second tier scrutiny!
Are you guys hearing what I just said? No, because that could be taken either way-more scrutiny or less. |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 3:08:18 PM EDT
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bumped to a second tier scrutiny! What does that even mean? They run the name through the databases and then run it again?
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Posted: 9/22/2015 3:17:42 PM EDT
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Madison is a wretched hive of liberal scum and villainy.
Would it surprise anyone here that they would purposely drag their feet to delay people from purchasing firearms? Or that they would scrutinize known CCW holders even further? |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 6:19:05 PM EDT
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No, because that could be taken either way-more scrutiny or less. Quote HistoryQuoted:
A little birdy told me CCW holders get automatically bumped to a second tier scrutiny!
Are you guys hearing what I just said? No, because that could be taken either way-more scrutiny or less. It's more. Quoted:
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bumped to a second tier scrutiny! What does that even mean? They run the name through the databases and then run it again? Nope. It is bumped to a specialist that does a deeper check. So it automatically takes more time. That is how I had an FFL I trust Implicitly, as it was told to him, explain it to me the days after the 48hr repeal took effect while he was on talking with the handgun hotline. |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 8:12:05 PM EDT
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It's more. Nope. It is bumped to a specialist that does a deeper check. So it automatically takes more time. That is how I had an FFL I trust Implicitly, as it was told to him, explain it to me the days after the 48hr repeal took effect while he was on talking with the handgun hotline. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A little birdy told me CCW holders get automatically bumped to a second tier scrutiny!
Are you guys hearing what I just said? No, because that could be taken either way-more scrutiny or less. It's more. Quoted:
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bumped to a second tier scrutiny! What does that even mean? They run the name through the databases and then run it again? Nope. It is bumped to a specialist that does a deeper check. So it automatically takes more time. That is how I had an FFL I trust Implicitly, as it was told to him, explain it to me the days after the 48hr repeal took effect while he was on talking with the handgun hotline. Doesn't make sense to me. CCW holders already went through a much more thorough check when they got their CCW. Why would they waste more time on someone thoroughly checked within the recent past, than someone like a first time buyer who they've never before checked? Seems like a redundancy that's a waste of resources. I've also heard that checks done by internet take 2-3 times longer than checks done by a telephone call (WI DOJ only for handgun... not a NICS long gun buy). So I asked another FFL (one whom I trust) what takes longer on average to get a completed check - internet or telephone? He told me that WI DOJ doesn't even have internet checks and they all must be done with a phone call. Huh???? |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 9:25:35 PM EDT
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Nope. It is bumped to a specialist that does a deeper check. So it automatically takes more time. That is how I had an FFL I trust Implicitly, as it was told to him, explain it to me the days after the 48hr repeal took effect while he was on talking with the handgun hotline. What other databases are held in reserve to run background checks on only a WI CCW licensee that are not already accessed normally? 
Sounds to me like your FFL was told a tall tale to cover for the delays. |
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Posted: 9/23/2015 10:34:33 AM EDT
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Doesn't make sense to me. CCW holders already went through a much more thorough check when they got their CCW. Why would they waste more time on someone thoroughly checked within the recent past, than someone like a first time buyer who they've never before checked? Seems like a redundancy that's a waste of resources. I've also heard that checks done by internet take 2-3 times longer than checks done by a telephone call (WI DOJ only for handgun... not a NICS long gun buy). So I asked another FFL (one whom I trust) what takes longer on average to get a completed check - internet or telephone? He told me that WI DOJ doesn't even have internet checks and they all must be done with a phone call. Huh???? He calls all his in. This info came to him as he was calling one in for a CCW holder that he inquired what the holdup was. I think the person on the line let it slip. |
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Posted: 9/23/2015 10:35:32 AM EDT
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Nope. It is bumped to a specialist that does a deeper check. So it automatically takes more time. That is how I had an FFL I trust Implicitly, as it was told to him, explain it to me the days after the 48hr repeal took effect while he was on talking with the handgun hotline. What other databases are held in reserve to run background checks on only a WI CCW licensee that are not already accessed normally?
Sounds to me like your FFL was told a tall tale to cover for the delays. What exactly gets checked further I do not know. Your assumption is flawed because I was not buying anything. It came up when we were discussing the waiting period repeal & other states, such as FL, that allow cash & carry with CC Holders. I am 99% sure what he told me is fact. I am seriously considering discussing the matter with Jarchow first then Harsdorf to see what the answers are, exactly, to these questions. |
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Posted: 9/23/2015 12:33:32 PM EDT
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I declare shenanigans on all this "extra check" bullshit.
I drove 90 minutes each way yesterday to pick up a pair of Sigs from a gun shop. They closed at 6. Got there at 5:25, scribbled out the 4473 and the state handgun paperwork, handed them my license. Went to go look at ammo and powder, and by the time I got back to the counter everything was ready to go. I was back in my truck by 5:40 and on the way home. The guns and powder are sitting on my dining room table, waiting for me to clean them and take them to the range. |
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Posted: 9/23/2015 7:23:02 PM EDT
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I declare shenanigans on all this "extra check" bullshit. I drove 90 minutes each way yesterday to pick up a pair of Sigs from a gun shop. They closed at 6. Got there at 5:25, scribbled out the 4473 and the state handgun paperwork, handed them my license. Went to go look at ammo and powder, and by the time I got back to the counter everything was ready to go. I was back in my truck by 5:40 and on the way home. The guns and powder are sitting on my dining room table, waiting for me to clean them and take them to the range. Your drivers license or CCW? I'm glad, however, your experience was different then OP's. |
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Posted: 9/23/2015 8:56:53 PM EDT
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Drivers license. I've never been asked for my ccw when buying a handgun.
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Posted: 9/24/2015 2:20:56 PM EDT
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I think they have a more widespread issue than just ccw holders. I tried to pick one up over lunch and the dealer said that he was waiting on all of the WI checks from earlier in the day still.
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Posted: 9/24/2015 5:05:02 PM EDT
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Regarding this "extra scrutiny" for CCW holders, is this alleged policy something new since the repeal of the 48hr wait, or did it start after CCW did, in 2011? If it's new, why is it used now, and not been in use since November 2011?
Although I haven't purchased a handgun since the repeal, I have purchased 3 since I got a WI CCW license, and all 3 were virtually instant approval. I think the longest took 5 minutes... I was still at the counter paying for my gun when they called back. The other 2 were approved before the FFL hung up the phone on the initial call. |
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Posted: 9/25/2015 9:43:07 AM EDT
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Regarding this "extra scrutiny" for CCW holders, is this alleged policy something new since the repeal of the 48hr wait, or did it start after CCW did, in 2011? If it's new, why is it used now, and not been in use since November 2011? Although I haven't purchased a handgun since the repeal, I have purchased 3 since I got a WI CCW license, and all 3 were virtually instant approval. I think the longest took 5 minutes... I was still at the counter paying for my gun when they called back. The other 2 were approved before the FFL hung up the phone on the initial call. I will ask to see if anything was infered. Obviously it would have been since 2011 since it pertains to CCW. The longer wait would more than likely be dependent on how many higher scrutiny checks are being performed at any given time. My take on this is there should be no other check, including a BGC, by law, other than to, per sé, validate the legitimacy of the CCW license. |
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Posted: 9/28/2015 10:10:08 PM EDT
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I picked up a Sig from my dealers on sunday a little after 4pm, I was instantly approved. I had asked him the same question regarding delays in approvals and he said as of late almost every single one of his was immediately approved. One took five minutes and the buyer hadn't left the store yet so he was able to take it with him that day.
Extra hubbub for a CCW license holder sounds like a load of malarkey. |
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Posted: 9/29/2015 9:51:36 AM EDT
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It's been 5 years since I've worked at an FFL.
Does Handgun Hotline still consist of 1 cool guy and 5 or so crabby old ladies? Do you still hear the Dot-Matrix style printer hammering away in the background just before they give you the approval number? |
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Posted: 9/29/2015 1:20:38 PM EDT
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It's been 5 years since I've worked at an FFL. Does Handgun Hotline still consist of 1 cool guy and 5 or so crabby old ladies? Do you still hear the Dot-Matrix style printer hammering away in the background just before they give you the approval number? That's every WI government department
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Posted: 10/1/2015 10:12:25 AM EDT
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I think I may have jinxed myself.
Finally broke and scooped up one of those $199 Taurus pistols. It arrived yesterday and I filled out the paperwork at around noon, still no pistol as of today lol. We'll see what happens. |
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Posted: 10/1/2015 9:59:14 PM EDT
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It's been 5 years since I've worked at an FFL. Does Handgun Hotline still consist of 1 cool guy and 5 or so crabby old ladies? Do you still hear the Dot-Matrix style printer hammering away in the background just before they give you the approval number? I hope the cool guy wasn't the one who died a few weeks back. |
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Posted: 10/2/2015 4:46:33 AM EDT
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It's been 5 years since I've worked at an FFL. Does Handgun Hotline still consist of 1 cool guy and 5 or so crabby old ladies? Do you still hear the Dot-Matrix style printer hammering away in the background just before they give you the approval number? Yea, pretty much. They did hire some other people but Stu is still there. I priamarily use the online system now but i do know the printer you're talking about. I do feel your pain guys. I'm a home based ffl and even i wait a couple hours after calling myself in. It's bullshit but what can you do? |
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Posted: 10/2/2015 7:32:18 PM EDT
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Instant for me last night when I picked up my new pistol.
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Posted: 10/5/2015 12:12:54 PM EDT
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I got delayed. FFL told me the state's computers were down.....
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