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Posted: 10/21/2014 10:15:54 PM EDT
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I'm 29 and I love Montrose. We are starting to get much more diverse in age range, and companies are coming here and/or expanding. Are you retired, or would you need to find work?
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Posted: 10/21/2014 11:13:35 PM EDT
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I'm 29 and I love Montrose. We are starting to get much more diverse in age range, and companies are coming here and/or expanding. Are you retired, or would you need to find work? Retired, spouse is getting close and may pursue PT employment. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 11:14:17 PM EDT
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....Idaho or Utah also in the running for relocating. if you move out, you'll still need to post up on the "if I own a gun can I move, visit, drive, fly over Co" weekly threads. All kidding aside, good luck with your decision. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 11:25:21 PM EDT
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Actually what i should have asked. How's the weather? Looks like while cold in winter milder than the front range Ft Collins area. More wet , rain than snow.
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Posted: 10/22/2014 12:06:26 AM EDT
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The weather here is amazing. No where near as much snow as I would like, but even when it does, they plow the roads quickly and it takes all of 10-15 minutes to get across town. Spring and fall are really nice. June, July, and August get into the 90s with maybe a week flirting with 100. Winter will see 30s-40s for your average high, upper single digits to teens for average lows. We always get an indian summer. Snow doesn't usually start staying around until after Thanksgiving, and by late February/early March it melts off almost right away. Fairly dry overall though.
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Posted: 10/22/2014 12:26:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/22/2014 12:28:58 AM EDT
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The weather here is amazing. No where near as much snow as I would like, but even when it does, they plow the roads quickly and it takes all of 10-15 minutes to get across town. Spring and fall are really nice. June, July, and August get into the 90s with maybe a week flirting with 100. Winter will see 30s-40s for your average high, upper single digits to teens for average lows. We always get an indian summer. Snow doesn't usually start staying around until after Thanksgiving, and by late February/early March it melts off almost right away. Fairly dry overall though. Well since you've been so much help, for a kid. Spouse found a place by the airport / golf course area. Is that airport 24/7 or only when one is home? There seem to be some groovy (yes groovy) possibility's for homes, hells 1/2 acre spots in the outlying areas. Hows the options for shooting? I have more ?? but will pm you and who ever else replies. Hard to believe you're the only one in Montrose on the board. Would also like feed back from other areas out there. Already read the threads from out of staters asking about GJ & Durango. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 12:57:27 AM EDT
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Commercial flights don't run 24/7. Early flight leave around 6 and later flight arrive by midnight. More airlines fly in during ski season and you can get decent rates. I am flying to Atlanta for Christmas. Direct flight from Montrose for $388. For private, I think you can fly whenever.
Most of that area by the airport is pretty nice. Some friends just bought three acres out that way. If you get too far north towards Olathe, or to the east of the airport out gets pretty dry and turns to adobe clay. But, right by the airport between flattop and the San Juan bypass is decent. There is maybe one slightly sketchy neighborhood. Kiltakaze and saigamantx both live here and are in my age range. I believe there may be a couple other members that aren't very active. Junction has several active members and Durango has a couple. I must be the only one awake... 
Good luck! ETA: oh yeah, shooting! Tons of BLM, and there are two membership ranges that are decent. All within 10-20 minutes of downtown. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 7:53:03 AM EDT
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Jesus dude you and Kilt are screwing with my brain.....Both you guys look like your in your 30's! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm 29 and I love Montrose. We are starting to get much more diverse in age range, and companies are coming here and/or expanding. Are you retired, or would you need to find work? Fuck off
OP. It's amazing here. Weather is much better than the front range, very conservative area, and just all around good people |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 7:56:57 AM EDT
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Commercial flights don't run 24/7. Early flight leave around 6 and later flight arrive by midnight. More airlines fly in during ski season and you can get decent rates. I am flying to Atlanta for Christmas. Direct flight from Montrose for $388. For private, I think you can fly whenever. Most of that area by the airport is pretty nice. Some friends just bought three acres out that way. If you get too far north towards Olathe, or to the east of the airport out gets pretty dry and turns to adobe clay. But, right by the airport between flattop and the San Juan bypass is decent. There is maybe one slightly sketchy neighborhood. Kiltakaze and saigamantx both live here and are in my age range. I believe there may be a couple other members that aren't very active. Junction has several active members and Durango has a couple. I must be the only one awake...
Good luck! ETA: oh yeah, shooting! Tons of BLM, and there are two membership ranges that are decent. All within 10-20 minutes of downtown. There's a lot of beautiful land out in Spring Creek area, Shavano Valley, Kinikin, and Bostwick Park. Price is a little steeper there but it's in the county so you can shoot on your own land |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 8:20:56 AM EDT
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A few thoughts having relocated from Loveland to Fruita 6 years ago....
Weather - Montrose is a little milder than Fruita/GJ. The Grand Valley has colder winters and hotter summers than both Montrose and the front range. If it snows early in the winter, it can set up an inversion that sets in for weeks and keeps the valley much colder than surrounding areas. Summers in the valley are hot. We get less snow than the northern front range, but it stays colder. Housing - Going to be much cheaper over here right now given the boom on the front range. Great time to get out over there and into something you like over here. Traffic - Fuck the front range. No traffic whatsoever over here in comparison. Shooting - BLM all over the place. A few BLM ranges as well. If you go early, there are usually some interesting and fun folks shooting. If you go in the afternoon, you get morons that have no concept of range safety. I used to shoot at NCRGC, and miss the fact that most folks there were very safety conscious. The state (CPW) is going to be building a large shooting facility at Cameo over the next few years. The only things I miss about Loveland are access to fly fishing water in close proximity to the house, and RMNP. The rest of the front range reminds me of NJ. 
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Posted: 10/22/2014 10:54:18 AM EDT
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Commercial flights don't run 24/7. Early flight leave around 6 and later flight arrive by midnight. More airlines fly in during ski season and you can get decent rates. I am flying to Atlanta for Christmas. Direct flight from Montrose for $388. For private, I think you can fly whenever. Most of that area by the airport is pretty nice. Some friends just bought three acres out that way. If you get too far north towards Olathe, or to the east of the airport out gets pretty dry and turns to adobe clay. But, right by the airport between flattop and the San Juan bypass is decent. There is maybe one slightly sketchy neighborhood. Kiltakaze and saigamantx both live here and are in my age range. I believe there may be a couple other members that aren't very active. Junction has several active members and Durango has a couple. I must be the only one awake...
Good luck! ETA: oh yeah, shooting! Tons of BLM, and there are two membership ranges that are decent. All within 10-20 minutes of downtown. So is there anyone older than 50 or will i have enough of you kids to wheel me around, since our daughter said she's not going to move back from CA to take care of us in our golden years 
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Posted: 10/22/2014 10:57:02 AM EDT
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So is there anyone older than 50 or will i have enough of you kids to wheel me around, since our daughter said she's not going to move back from CA to take care of us in our golden years Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Commercial flights don't run 24/7. Early flight leave around 6 and later flight arrive by midnight. More airlines fly in during ski season and you can get decent rates. I am flying to Atlanta for Christmas. Direct flight from Montrose for $388. For private, I think you can fly whenever. Most of that area by the airport is pretty nice. Some friends just bought three acres out that way. If you get too far north towards Olathe, or to the east of the airport out gets pretty dry and turns to adobe clay. But, right by the airport between flattop and the San Juan bypass is decent. There is maybe one slightly sketchy neighborhood. Kiltakaze and saigamantx both live here and are in my age range. I believe there may be a couple other members that aren't very active. Junction has several active members and Durango has a couple. I must be the only one awake...
Good luck! ETA: oh yeah, shooting! Tons of BLM, and there are two membership ranges that are decent. All within 10-20 minutes of downtown. So is there anyone older than 50 or will i have enough of you kids to wheel me around, since our daughter said she's not going to move back from CA to take care of us in our golden years We can wheel you around old timer
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Posted: 10/22/2014 5:32:19 PM EDT
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Jim,
Just another thought to consider. If you and your wife need any type of medical care you might have a drive from Montrose. They have a very nice little local hospital and if you just need regular medical care you should be ok. If either of you need a specialist you are likely looking at a 2 hour or so drive to GJ. These kids in their 20s don't really think about things like that! <---is old (apparently) at 35. But I am a nurse and soon to be nurse practitioner so I think of these things. Also, I do really like living in Fruita. However, I don't think land/houses are as good deals here as they probably are in Montrose. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 5:42:16 PM EDT
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Jim, Just another thought to consider. If you and your wife need any type of medical care you might have a drive from Montrose. They have a very nice little local hospital and if you just need regular medical care you should be ok. If either of you need a specialist you are likely looking at a 2 hour or so drive to GJ. These kids in their 20s don't really think about things like that! <---is old (apparently) at 35. But I am a nurse and soon to be nurse practitioner so I think of these things. Also, I do really like living in Fruita. However, I don't think land/houses are as good deals here as they probably are in Montrose. Jim, move in with her ^ She can bake like its going out of style 
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Posted: 10/22/2014 6:07:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck off OP. It's amazing here. Weather is much better than the front range, very conservative area, and just all around good people Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm 29 and I love Montrose. We are starting to get much more diverse in age range, and companies are coming here and/or expanding. Are you retired, or would you need to find work? Fuck off OP. It's amazing here. Weather is much better than the front range, very conservative area, and just all around good people  |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 7:13:39 PM EDT
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Jim, move in with her ^ She can bake like its going out of style Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jim, Just another thought to consider. If you and your wife need any type of medical care you might have a drive from Montrose. They have a very nice little local hospital and if you just need regular medical care you should be ok. If either of you need a specialist you are likely looking at a 2 hour or so drive to GJ. These kids in their 20s don't really think about things like that! <---is old (apparently) at 35. But I am a nurse and soon to be nurse practitioner so I think of these things. Also, I do really like living in Fruita. However, I don't think land/houses are as good deals here as they probably are in Montrose. Jim, move in with her ^ She can bake like its going out of style So can i, and the spouse. The wife found a place outside Frutia, iirc, Loma? Medical care is on the list , same for a decent wholesale meat distributor where we can buy 1/4 - 1/2 sides locally, and 1/2 way decent / reliable grocery store. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 7:26:37 PM EDT
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We have these folks process pork for us. A friend of ours raises the pigs, but Homestead does all the cutting. They have always done good by me. They also do beef that's raised locally.
Homestead Meat Another local ranch that does beefs. Roan Creek Loma has shitty parts, and nice parts, and they are both hot in the summer. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 8:33:48 PM EDT
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So can i, and the spouse. The wife found a place outside Frutia, iirc, Loma? Medical care is on the list , same for a decent wholesale meat distributor where we can buy 1/4 - 1/2 sides locally, and 1/2 way decent / reliable grocery store. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jim, Just another thought to consider. If you and your wife need any type of medical care you might have a drive from Montrose. They have a very nice little local hospital and if you just need regular medical care you should be ok. If either of you need a specialist you are likely looking at a 2 hour or so drive to GJ. These kids in their 20s don't really think about things like that! <---is old (apparently) at 35. But I am a nurse and soon to be nurse practitioner so I think of these things. Also, I do really like living in Fruita. However, I don't think land/houses are as good deals here as they probably are in Montrose. Jim, move in with her ^ She can bake like its going out of style So can i, and the spouse. The wife found a place outside Frutia, iirc, Loma? Medical care is on the list , same for a decent wholesale meat distributor where we can buy 1/4 - 1/2 sides locally, and 1/2 way decent / reliable grocery store. Loma is a GREAT area every month except June. Country Jam traffic 
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:57:20 AM EDT
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Hi Jim
You should look at the Crawford/Hotchkiss area which are sleepy little towns tuck in near the West Elk Mountains on the Western Slope about 1/2 from Delta or 45 min. from Montrose. The weather is great, for some reason snow and rain storms split when they come this way and the winters are mild. I tell people "if there is snow on the ground come January 1st it's going to be a cold winter" which sometimes happens but not to often. It's all BLM and forest Service with Private ranches. We have 40 acres and I can shoot from my back door. Lots of prairie dogs and the deer and elk hunting is great with no hunting pressure. I'm 54 and the wife is 51. We just bought this place a few years ago and have a B&B just for hunting season so if your in the area PM me. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 5:43:23 PM EDT
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Joe Cocker (the English singer) used to live in Crawford, didn't he? IIRC he was the mayor as well. Interesting country, on the north side of the Black Canyon of the Gunnison, kinda have to want to go there to get there. The Crawford Needle is an interesting landmark.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 6:10:54 PM EDT
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Joe Cocker (the English singer) used to live in Crawford, didn't he? IIRC he was the mayor as well. Interesting country, on the north side of the Black Canyon of the Gunnison, kinda have to want to go there to get there. The Crawford Needle is an interesting landmark. Still does. He owns the Mad Dog Ranch. Use to have a restaurant too |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 8:59:46 PM EDT
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Joe Cocker (the English singer) used to live in Crawford, didn't he? IIRC he was the mayor as well. Interesting country, on the north side of the Black Canyon of the Gunnison, kinda have to want to go there to get there. The Crawford Needle is an interesting landmark. Still does. He owns the Mad Dog Ranch. Use to have a restaurant too Yeah, I looked around on the web after my previous post. I ran across an article that said he's put the Mad Dog Ranch up for sale, $7 million, IIRC. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:57:58 PM EDT
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Yeah, I looked around on the web after my previous post. I ran across an article that said he's put the Mad Dog Ranch up for sale, $7 million, IIRC. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Joe Cocker (the English singer) used to live in Crawford, didn't he? IIRC he was the mayor as well. Interesting country, on the north side of the Black Canyon of the Gunnison, kinda have to want to go there to get there. The Crawford Needle is an interesting landmark. Still does. He owns the Mad Dog Ranch. Use to have a restaurant too Yeah, I looked around on the web after my previous post. I ran across an article that said he's put the Mad Dog Ranch up for sale, $7 million, IIRC. No shit?! |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:22:33 PM EDT
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Joe Cocker (the English singer) used to live in Crawford, didn't he? IIRC he was the mayor as well. Interesting country, on the north side of the Black Canyon of the Gunnison, kinda have to want to go there to get there. The Crawford Needle is an interesting landmark. Still does. He owns the Mad Dog Ranch. Use to have a restaurant too Yeah, I looked around on the web after my previous post. I ran across an article that said he's put the Mad Dog Ranch up for sale, $7 million, IIRC. No shit?! Looks like it went on the market back in April. Quite the spread, lots of pics here: http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2014/04/joe_cocker_mad_dog_ranch_sale_photos.php |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:30:59 PM EDT
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Joe Cocker (the English singer) used to live in Crawford, didn't he? IIRC he was the mayor as well. Interesting country, on the north side of the Black Canyon of the Gunnison, kinda have to want to go there to get there. The Crawford Needle is an interesting landmark. Still does. He owns the Mad Dog Ranch. Use to have a restaurant too Yeah, I looked around on the web after my previous post. I ran across an article that said he's put the Mad Dog Ranch up for sale, $7 million, IIRC. No shit?! Looks like it went on the market back in April. Quite the spread, lots of pics here: http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2014/04/joe_cocker_mad_dog_ranch_sale_photos.php Rumor has it he is just down sizing and will still be in the area.......just a rumor. The Mad Dog Restaurant has been for sale for years. Someone comes by once in a while and will open the restaurant up for a few month and then back up for sale it goes. Crawford is a nice town with a western lifestyle with cattle ranching and coal mining being it and of course hunting season is a boost. Lots of places for sale and they are selling. We moved here 10 years ago from SLC, Utah to get out of the traffic and gangs. Still make it back for the big gunshows every year and visit. Zip is 81415 if you care to research |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 12:15:38 PM EDT
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Joe Cocker (the English singer) used to live in Crawford, didn't he? IIRC he was the mayor as well. Interesting country, on the north side of the Black Canyon of the Gunnison, kinda have to want to go there to get there. The Crawford Needle is an interesting landmark. Still does. He owns the Mad Dog Ranch. Use to have a restaurant too Yeah, I looked around on the web after my previous post. I ran across an article that said he's put the Mad Dog Ranch up for sale, $7 million, IIRC. No shit?! Looks like it went on the market back in April. Quite the spread, lots of pics here: http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2014/04/joe_cocker_mad_dog_ranch_sale_photos.php Group buy?
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Posted: 10/25/2014 11:38:37 PM EDT
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Group Buy?
If that big brick building wasn't there we'd be in. Knock it down, use the bricks and interior material to build 8 livable units. Big quonset huts for shops, few connex containers as outer perimeter building / security stations. Money wise unfurnished, 8 people @ $100K per could make it work. The spouse and i would prefer a section away from everyone else. The shooting range would be interesting. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 10:14:15 PM EDT
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Group buy? Lets fo.
Ill put my .02 in. I live in Grand Junction and love it though im the youngest here in terms of Western Slope members. I love the fact im not far from hunting, outdoors activities, shooting, etc. It is a great place to be. Weather is decent and not any threats from nature.
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:09:23 AM EDT
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Ill put my .02 in. I live in Grand Junction and love it though im the youngest here in terms of Western Slope members. I love the fact im not far from hunting, outdoors activities, shooting, etc. It is a great place to be. Weather is decent and not any threats from nature.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ill put my .02 in. I live in Grand Junction and love it though im the youngest here in terms of Western Slope members. I love the fact im not far from hunting, outdoors activities, shooting, etc. It is a great place to be. Weather is decent and not any threats from nature.Is there anyone from the western slope over 50? Or would i have to explain who the Beatles, Stones and Doors are . So far the + is ease of access to shooting areas. Just about affordable places to live, LESS population. negative, for the entire state. Possibility of D's staying in power. may have to baby sit the youngsters. 
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:58:30 AM EDT
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Is there anyone from the western slope over 50? Do people live that long????
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Posted: 10/28/2014 8:01:05 PM EDT
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Is there anyone from the western slope over 50? Do people live that long???? Try and keep up with me, pup. I'm 55
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Posted: 10/28/2014 10:47:37 PM EDT
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Montrose is full of old people.
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Posted: 10/29/2014 12:23:54 AM EDT
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Is there anyone from the western slope over 50? Do people live that long???? Try and keep up with me, pup. I'm 55 OK, Pup. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:48:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Montrose is full of old people.  Somewhat true statement
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:42:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/31/2014 12:23:06 AM EDT
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It's like a miniature Florida. More drug stores per capita than any other town in Colorado, I would bet. Great, i can buy a golf cart and cruise the hood. |
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Posted: 11/2/2014 3:14:03 PM EDT
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You guys have room for one more? Im retiring in March, and am looking at a few different places in CO... GJ, Fruita, Montrose... Im seeing all kinds of housing opportunities in most of those places. I cant do regular neighborhoods... Looking for semi-sticks living... I lived in Denver during the 90's, then moved to Central Texas. I always wanted to Western Slope it when I lived in Denver... Front range is to cold and crowded for me. I need to check the rules about suppressors and SBR's though... I might be having a sale.
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Posted: 11/2/2014 3:19:23 PM EDT
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You guys have room for one more? Im retiring in March, and am looking at a few different places in CO... GJ, Fruita, Montrose... Im seeing all kinds of housing opportunities in most of those places. I cant do regular neighborhoods... Looking for semi-sticks living... I lived in Denver during the 90's, then moved to Central Texas. I always wanted to Western Slope it when I lived in Denver... Front range is to cold and crowded for me. I need to check the rules about suppressors and SBR's though... I might be having a sale. NFA is good to go in CO. |
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Posted: 11/2/2014 6:04:02 PM EDT
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Montrose is a great place.
Too bad you didn't post a couple months ago. You could move right in to a house I know of perfect for parents with kids / grandkids who will come visit. |
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Posted: 11/2/2014 6:31:34 PM EDT
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Its just me, my wife, and three dogs... no kids! That is how I can afford to retire!
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Posted: 11/2/2014 6:33:01 PM EDT
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Its just me, my wife, and three dogs... no kids! That is how I can afford to retire! Actually - the house is perfect for a bachelor with dogs. Unfortunately it is under contract now. |
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Posted: 11/2/2014 6:45:34 PM EDT
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I looked at houses on the internet this AM... There are some that will work out great. Ill probably be out there by March.
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Posted: 11/2/2014 7:31:56 PM EDT
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I looked at houses on the internet this AM... There are some that will work out great. Ill probably be out there by March. March may be a different market. We're keeping options open, based on election results. IF this state stays blue then OOS is looking better. if it goes red or middle of the road purple, Montrose is on the top 5 list for west slope living. Our kid moved out when she was 18, so it's the spouse & i with 2 pups in tow. |
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Posted: 11/2/2014 9:10:20 PM EDT
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One great thing about Montrose--it's the northern gateway to the San Juans. Gorgeous country, but I fear it's being yuppified.
The Uncompaghre Plateau is also great country. Just go west of town onto the plateau, it goes forever! |
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Posted: 11/2/2014 9:18:36 PM EDT
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When I lived in Denver, I would go archery Elk hunting in the Uncompaghre,at Owl Creek Pass... It was awesome.
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Posted: 11/2/2014 10:24:20 PM EDT
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Owl Creek Pass is a great place. Just east of Ridgway (south of Montrose), parts of True Grit were filmed there, including the scene where Rooster Cogburn charges Ned Pepper and his gang. That's right under Chimney Rock and Courthouse Mountain. And Silver Jack Reservoir is just on the other side of the pass. Grand country.
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Posted: 11/2/2014 10:58:32 PM EDT
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Yeah, some of us are over 50 and I know of one over 60 (ME!!)
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Posted: 11/2/2014 11:04:24 PM EDT
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Yeah, some of us are over 50 and I know of one over 60 (ME!!) Nice, senior shoot ? |
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Posted: 11/3/2014 11:41:55 AM EDT
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GJ area member here.
The west slope is a great place. Lots of good towns to live near and a lot of good people who tend to be very pro-liberty. 
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