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Posted: 8/7/2017 10:25:45 PM EDT
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Here's a link to print petitions: https://www.voterswantmorechoices.com/Petdownloads.html Get out there and collect some signatures! View Quote Your link don't work. |
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Your link don't work. View Quote |
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Geez not this shit again.
That guy must be broke again and needs another initiative campaign to drain into his own pockets. |
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Do you like paying 3,4,500 dollars to register your vehicle? Because I don't. View Quote Eyman is a thief and a fraud. Two bit watch salesman. He's been profiteering from anti tax initiatives for 20 years. Literally stealing from the till. Anything he supports I will vote against. |
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Not really but with the stupid tax structure WA uses that's what pays for the shit I use. I don't pay income tax and property tax is reasonable. Eyman is a thief and a fraud. Two bit watch salesman. He's been profiteering from anti tax initiatives for 20 years. Literally stealing from the till. Anything he supports I will vote against. View Quote |
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Not really but with the stupid tax structure WA uses that's what pays for the shit I use. I don't pay income tax and property tax is reasonable. Eyman is a thief and a fraud. Two bit watch salesman. He's been profiteering from anti tax initiatives for 20 years. Literally stealing from the till. Anything he supports I will vote against. View Quote |
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Confusing stance, he makes money off of initiatives, therefore the initiatives themselves are bad?
I was in the odd position of being able to vote NO on ST3, and yet NOT being in the tax area for it. Oddly I know of some people who didn't get to vote on it but are in the tax area for it - which might be a legal challenge to their paying the tax but who has time for that? I don't understand what a I90 train does that I90 buses would not do cheaper and immediately. |
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I have paid property taxes in four states. WA is the lowest per appraised value. And no income tax. Just high sales tax. Tim Eyman is a thief and a fraud. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Wait, he's supposed to work for free? View Quote Follow the money chart from WA AG: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3533710-Eyman-Chart-FINAL.html Eyman settled with the AG in 2002 for similar activities. Basically what Eyman does is cook up initiatives, get some contributions, and try to line his pockets with the money, hopefully legally but illegally if necessary. Sound familiar? It's what people say all politicians do. ETA: An overly long and detailed story from that era demonstrates what pisses me off about Eyman. You all may not know or remember or care, but I do. From http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20020210&slug=eyman10m It was one week ago that Eyman confessed he had lied for years about taking a salary from his initiative campaigns. What emerged in the past week was a picture of a young man so caught up in his own cult of personality — he has noted his supporters viewed him as a "Greek God" — that he didn't realize he had become what he was fighting against. The very act of pretending to be above politics made him as political as those he attacked. ... But Eyman had always said he was not making money off his initiatives. He was afraid that if people knew he was profiting it would tarnish his man-of-the-people credentials. ... He decided to take the money but lie about it. ... Karr wrote him a $45,000 check in late 2000. The next year an additional $157,000 was paid to Eyman's company, money he later said he'd planned to also take as salary. Karr tried persuading him to go public, saying people would understand. Before he confessed last week, Karr had e-mailed reporters telling them that Eyman had taken a salary from the campaign money. Until then, Eyman had refused to go public, persisting in what he later described as a charade to maintain moral superiority. After the I-695 victory and before the lies, Eyman once said he was done with the initiative business. |
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No, but he's a thief and a liar. Just yesterday: Tim Eyman sued by state over alleged campaign finance violations Follow the money chart from WA AG: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3533710-Eyman-Chart-FINAL.html Eyman settled with the AG in 2002 for similar activities. Basically what Eyman does is cook up initiatives, get some contributions, and try to line his pockets with the money, hopefully legally but illegally if necessary. Sound familiar? It's what people say all politicians do. ETA: An overly long and detailed story from that era demonstrates what pisses me off about Eyman. You all may not know or remember or care, but I do. From http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20020210&slug=eyman10m It was one week ago that Eyman confessed he had lied for years about taking a salary from his initiative campaigns. What emerged in the past week was a picture of a young man so caught up in his own cult of personality — he has noted his supporters viewed him as a "Greek God" — that he didn't realize he had become what he was fighting against. The very act of pretending to be above politics made him as political as those he attacked. ... But Eyman had always said he was not making money off his initiatives. He was afraid that if people knew he was profiting it would tarnish his man-of-the-people credentials. ... He decided to take the money but lie about it. ... Karr wrote him a $45,000 check in late 2000. The next year an additional $157,000 was paid to Eyman's company, money he later said he'd planned to also take as salary. Karr tried persuading him to go public, saying people would understand. Before he confessed last week, Karr had e-mailed reporters telling them that Eyman had taken a salary from the campaign money. Until then, Eyman had refused to go public, persisting in what he later described as a charade to maintain moral superiority. After the I-695 victory and before the lies, Eyman once said he was done with the initiative business. View Quote |
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So don't send him money, just sign the petition and save large sums of money on your vehicle registration. It isn't that fucking complicated. View Quote So what is funded by vehicle registration that people want to cut? ST3? I think ST3 is overly expensive but I do believe in light rail. I think"all of the above" (rail, freeway, busing, walkable communities, etc) is the solution to traffic and infrastructure like light rail and freeways are essential to growth. Buses last until the next session of the legislature. |
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I'd like to pay lower registration fees, but I also like well-maintained roads. As far as taxes go, I object less to fees where money is spent directly to something related to the fee. I strongly object to fees and taxes that just go into "the general fund" and the like. View Quote As someone who drives I90 over the mountains and sometimes I5, our roads are anything but well maintained. There are rough areas of road that have been like that for 20 plus years. |
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Beyond Eyman, cutting a tax like vehicle registration fees means something goes unfunded. I own a truck, three cars, and a motorcycle. I'd like to pay lower registration fees, but I also like well-maintained roads. As far as taxes go, I object less to fees where money is spent directly to something related to the fee. I strongly object to fees and taxes that just go into "the general fund" and the like. So what is funded by vehicle registration that people want to cut? ST3? I think ST3 is overly expensive but I do believe in light rail. I think"all of the above" (rail, freeway, busing, walkable communities, etc) is the solution to traffic and infrastructure like light rail and freeways are essential to growth. Buses last until the next session of the legislature. View Quote Nothing we do seems to result in well-maintained roads, just endless "adjustment" projects and band-aid resurfacing. I am convinced that the state purposely lets the condition of our roads languish so that they can generate desperation such as what I smell in your post. |
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Beyond Eyman, cutting a tax like vehicle registration fees means something goes unfunded. I own a truck, three cars, and a motorcycle. I'd like to pay lower registration fees, but I also like well-maintained roads. As far as taxes go, I object less to fees where money is spent directly to something related to the fee. I strongly object to fees and taxes that just go into "the general fund" and the like. So what is funded by vehicle registration that people want to cut? ST3? I think ST3 is overly expensive but I do believe in light rail. I think"all of the above" (rail, freeway, busing, walkable communities, etc) is the solution to traffic and infrastructure like light rail and freeways are essential to growth. Buses last until the next session of the legislature. View Quote You are what's wrong with WA and the USA. |
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Ah, the "but muh roads!" and "muh public transit" arguments to justify wealth redistribution. Where have I heard those before? Oh that's right, from every hardcore leftist I have had the displeasure of knowing. You are what's wrong with WA and the USA. View Quote And I'll thank you can stop with the personal attacks. |
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Some forms of taxation are more "wealth redistribution" than other forms. I'm not going to get too worked up arguing that re: car tabs. And I'll thank you can stop with the personal attacks. View Quote |
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Do you like paying 3,4,500 dollars to register your vehicle? Because I don't. It hurt bad very bad My parents spent years voting/pushing to get the tabs to a reasonable level, only to have all that work tossed away by these socialist morons that proclaim this to be for the "greater good". Screw your "mass transit" and your proclaimed tax increases that will do nothing to improve the road conditions or quality of living for anyone that drives. I'm sick to death of being punished by the eco-nazis of this state, all because I own a vehicle. |
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Beyond Eyman, cutting a tax like vehicle registration fees means something goes unfunded. I own a truck, three cars, and a motorcycle. I'd like to pay lower registration fees, but I also like well-maintained roads. As far as taxes go, I object less to fees where money is spent directly to something related to the fee. I strongly object to fees and taxes that just go into "the general fund" and the like. So what is funded by vehicle registration that people want to cut? ST3? I think ST3 is overly expensive but I do believe in light rail. I think"all of the above" (rail, freeway, busing, walkable communities, etc) is the solution to traffic and infrastructure like light rail and freeways are essential to growth. Buses last until the next session of the legislature. View Quote ETA, anything from the AG's office should be instantly suspect, so maybe go be a leftist somewhere else. |
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Confusing stance, he makes money off of initiatives, therefore the initiatives themselves are bad? I was in the odd position of being able to vote NO on ST3, and yet NOT being in the tax area for it. Oddly I know of some people who didn't get to vote on it but are in the tax area for it - which might be a legal challenge to their paying the tax but who has time for that? I don't understand what a I90 train does that I90 buses would not do cheaper and immediately. View Quote |
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Beyond Eyman, cutting a tax like vehicle registration fees means something goes unfunded. I own a truck, three cars, and a motorcycle. I'd like to pay lower registration fees, but I also like well-maintained roads. As far as taxes go, I object less to fees where money is spent directly to something related to the fee. I strongly object to fees and taxes that just go into "the general fund" and the like. So what is funded by vehicle registration that people want to cut? ST3? I think ST3 is overly expensive but I do believe in light rail. I think"all of the above" (rail, freeway, busing, walkable communities, etc) is the solution to traffic and infrastructure like light rail and freeways are essential to growth. Buses last until the next session of the legislature. View Quote |
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Tabs are already $30, so how is this going to change anything? It's all the other BS they tack on that needs dealt with...
FYI, just checked the cost estimate for one of my vehicles... it was Edit: wife corrected my memory... |
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Tabs are already $30, so how is this going to change anything? It's all the other BS they tack on that needs dealt with... FYI, just checked the cost estimate for one of my vehicles... it was Edit: wife corrected my memory... View Quote |
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The tabs for my newish, not-shitty car went from $90 to $330. Ostensibly for a lightrail system that won't even go near where I live or work. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Tabs are already $30, so how is this going to change anything? It's all the other BS they tack on that needs dealt with... FYI, just checked the cost estimate for one of my vehicles... it was Edit: wife corrected my memory... Edit for spelling and grammar... |
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Look at the itimized list of charges. The "Registration" fee is $30. This is fact. Adding another new law putting this same tax at $30 again will change nothing. The weight, filing, service, "benefit district", and RTA taxes are somewhat separate... they simply are collected at the same time as the registration tax. Want lower cost tabs? Get rid of the RTA. And the liberals in local and state gov... but that's a given to most on here. Edit for spelling and grammar... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Tabs are already $30, so how is this going to change anything? It's all the other BS they tack on that needs dealt with... FYI, just checked the cost estimate for one of my vehicles... it was Edit: wife corrected my memory... Edit for spelling and grammar... "Barnacles have grown on our $30 tabs and it's time to scrape 'em off. That's what our new initiative does: It gets rid of vehicle weight fees imposed by state government It gets rid of vehicle fees imposed by cities (transportation benefit districts or TBDs) And the biggie: It gets rid of all car tab taxes imposed by Sound Transit." |
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For the vets, if you are 100% VA..you can register one vehicle per year with a DV plate free of charge..the registration lasts as long as you own the vehicle.
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100% wrong. You didn't even have to read the petition for yourself, the goals are pointed out right on the linked website on the homepage: "Barnacles have grown on our $30 tabs and it's time to scrape 'em off. That's what our new initiative does: It gets rid of vehicle weight fees imposed by state government It gets rid of vehicle fees imposed by cities (transportation benefit districts or TBDs) And the biggie: It gets rid of all car tab taxes imposed by Sound Transit." View Quote |
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9 poll responses and 4 of them are no I'm too lazy. This is why we can't have nice things.
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Put an ad on craigslist and offer to pay people to collect signatures and it'll pass with flying colors
Fight fire with fire |
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Here's a link to print petitions: https://www.voterswantmorechoices.com/Petdownloads.html Get out there and collect some signatures! View Quote Thanks BCM! |
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100% wrong. You didn't even have to read the petition for yourself, the goals are pointed out right on the linked website on the homepage: "Barnacles have grown on our $30 tabs and it's time to scrape 'em off. That's what our new initiative does: It gets rid of vehicle weight fees imposed by state government It gets rid of vehicle fees imposed by cities (transportation benefit districts or TBDs) And the biggie: It gets rid of all car tab taxes imposed by Sound Transit." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Tabs are already $30, so how is this going to change anything? It's all the other BS they tack on that needs dealt with... FYI, just checked the cost estimate for one of my vehicles... it was Edit: wife corrected my memory... Edit for spelling and grammar... "Barnacles have grown on our $30 tabs and it's time to scrape 'em off. That's what our new initiative does: It gets rid of vehicle weight fees imposed by state government It gets rid of vehicle fees imposed by cities (transportation benefit districts or TBDs) And the biggie: It gets rid of all car tab taxes imposed by Sound Transit." |
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