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Posted: 1/26/2017 9:11:11 PM EDT
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These are just considered "Firearms" as they don't fall under any specific classification. IIRC, West Coast built a couple guns like this years ago for a customer. As far as I know and have heard, they are perfectly legal for sale. Just like the Mossberg 500s with the pistol grip.
"(9) "Firearm" means a weapon or device from which a projectile or projectiles may be fired by an explosive such as gunpowder." |
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Posted: 1/27/2017 1:13:53 PM EDT
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What's the minimum barrel length for a shotgun. Would 14" not be considered a SBS?
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Posted: 1/27/2017 1:14:48 PM EDT
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Thanks for the response. I was concerned that the 14" barrel might be an issue.
This is the first time I've ever been excited about a Mossberg product that fires shotshells, so I didn't want to get all worked up and save my pennies just to have my dreams dashed. |
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Posted: 1/27/2017 1:20:55 PM EDT
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What's the minimum barrel length for a shotgun. Would 14" not be considered a SBS? If the Shockwave model was considered to be a "Shotgun" then yes that would be an SBS and therefore a no-go in WA. By Federal definition, the 590 Shockwave and similar models are considered to be "Firearms" and not long guns/shotguns. They leave the factory with no provision for being fired from the shoulder, which is one of the Federal criteria for a "Long Gun" The Mossberg Just in Case (JIC) is another example. Another example is a stripped AR Lower--it can be turned into a pistol or a rifle. On the Federal 4473 form, it is checked as "Other Firearm" and can be sold to state residents 21+. My concern would be if the state decides to classify this model as a "Short Barreled Shotgun" or to change their current definitions. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 5:53:16 AM EDT
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It's not a shotgun. A shotgun is defined as meant to be fired from the shoulder. No stock (ever) = not a shotgun.
This is the exact same thing as any other pistol grip only shot firing firearm. Over 26 inches so not an AOW, no stock (ever) so not a SBS. 99% of the laws, while arbitrary, aren't very capricious... they are usually black and white with very little gray. Is it A or B? Does it have this or that? There is no, "but what if...?" does it have A or does it have B? The SIG brace and the Shockwave Blade are notable exceptions. |
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Posted: 2/6/2017 2:11:04 AM EDT
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They're not as much fun as you might think.
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Posted: 2/6/2017 11:56:09 AM EDT
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They're not as much fun as you might think. I've never shot one but the general consensus seems to be that the shockwave birds head style grip is much more comfortable to shoot than a standard pistol grip |
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Posted: 2/6/2017 12:12:15 PM EDT
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I've never shot one but the general consensus seems to be that the shockwave birds head style grip is much more comfortable to shoot than a standard pistol grip The birdshead grip (mines an old as hell original Speedfeed I've had 10+ years, the Shockwave is a modern copy) is considerably better than a standard vertical pistol grip due to the angle of the hand in relation to recoil. The sig brace is better then the birdshead IMO 
Mine is considerably more pronounced in the curve than the Shockwave version appears to be. I have the same as this one sold by Havlin sales, presumably an old Mossberg branded Speedfeed http://www.havlinsales.com/870access.htm 
Shockwave's 870 grip 
Shockwave's M500 grip 
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Posted: 2/6/2017 12:32:49 PM EDT
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I'm sure a number of curious people can write enough letters to at least get it looked at.
It's pretty clear, and it's been laid out in this thread. If it's not a shotgun it cannot be an sbs. smfh |
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Posted: 2/7/2017 3:53:23 PM EDT
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I'm sure a number of curious people can write enough letters to at least get it looked at.
It's pretty clear, and it's been laid out in this thread. If it's not a shotgun it cannot be an sbs. smfh Can a brace be legally installed though? It's not a pistol so I don't know what to think? I did order one though, just because I can. |
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Posted: 2/7/2017 10:33:11 PM EDT
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Can a brace be legally installed though? It's not a pistol so I don't know what to think? I did order one though, just because I can. ATF never replied to my letter in 2014 about using a brace on a "firearm", specifically if that would preclude it from being built into an AOW in the future. So I'm going with "it's legal" until they rule otherwise. |
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Posted: 2/7/2017 11:40:14 PM EDT
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ATF never replied to my letter in 2014....... Quote HistoryQuoted:
ATF never replied to my letter in 2014....... Quoted:
I'm sure a number of curious people can write enough letters to at least get it looked at. 
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Posted: 2/8/2017 12:07:23 AM EDT
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Fostech and Black Aces Tactical are making "Other Firearms" with pistol braces.
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Posted: 2/8/2017 1:22:18 AM EDT
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Asking if something is legal after its been addressed several places, is slightly different then asking about potential changes to the status and legality of a future NFA weapon. They're under no obligation to answer, but I figured I'd ask since I'd never seen it addressed before in relation to 12 ga "firearms" nor were any FFLs offering such a thing at the time. |
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Posted: 3/22/2017 2:52:47 PM EDT
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I just got off the phone with RSR and they told me that Mossberg sent them a memo stating the 590 Shockwave is not to be shipped to WA State. WTF. I will post more info as I get it.
UPDATE: I just spoke with Mossberg and they said WA does not restrict the 590 shockwave. Below is a link to the letter from the AG that Mossberg referred to. I have no idea who at Mossberg is telling distributors not to ship to WA. http://www.atg.wa.gov/ago-opinions/whether-certain-weapons-meet-statutory-definition-short-barreled-shotgun |
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Posted: 3/22/2017 6:00:24 PM EDT
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I just got off the phone with RSR and they told me that Mossberg sent them a memo stating the 590 Shockwave is not to be shipped to WA State. WTF. I will post more info as I get it. UPDATE: I just spoke with Mossberg and they said WA does not restrict the 590 shockwave. Below is a link to the letter from the AG that Mossberg referred to. I have no idea who at Mossberg is telling distributors not to ship to WA. http://www.atg.wa.gov/ago-opinions/whether-certain-weapons-meet-statutory-definition-short-barreled-shotgun |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 12:02:18 AM EDT
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RSR Item #: MS50659
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Posted: 3/23/2017 2:02:45 AM EDT
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RSR Item #: MS50659 WTF? |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 9:47:48 AM EDT
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I can't even find it on RSR's website. I see it listed on both Lipsey's and Davidsons, both with a disclaimer saying "non-NFA, over 26.5" OAoL".
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Posted: 3/23/2017 2:34:41 PM EDT
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Weird. If I'm not logged in, it shows up. If I log in, I get "page does not exist." WTF? Davidson's allocated a couple yesterday They will go up on the wall next to SBR's and suppressors. Don't know if they will be popular...I think they are unusual. And unusual sells. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 2:53:56 PM EDT
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I can't even find it on RSR's website. I see it listed on both Lipsey's and Davidsons, both with a disclaimer saying "non-NFA, over 26.5" OAL". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just got off the phone with RSR and they told me that Mossberg sent them a memo stating the 590 Shockwave is not to be shipped to WA State. WTF. I will post more info as I get it. UPDATE: I just spoke with Mossberg and they said WA does not restrict the 590 shockwave. Below is a link to the letter from the AG that Mossberg referred to. I have no idea who at Mossberg is telling distributors not to ship to WA. http://www.atg.wa.gov/ago-opinions/whether-certain-weapons-meet-statutory-definition-short-barreled-shotgun |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 3:51:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/23/2017 5:14:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/8/2017 9:12:36 PM EDT
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So is thing g2g being loaded in a vehicle? Not finding any clarification in the rcw for non rifles/shotguns
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Posted: 4/13/2017 3:09:52 PM EDT
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Firearms are not Pistols. So it is NOT GTG to have one loading inside of a vehicle as far as I know.
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Posted: 4/13/2017 7:23:32 PM EDT
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Brad's has it listed as $400. Is that a good price?
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Posted: 4/14/2017 1:14:41 PM EDT
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Brad's has it listed as $400. Is that a good price? |
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