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Posted: 7/22/2016 8:01:27 PM EDT
I was just reviewing PA's knife law, specifically looking as it applied to carrying an auto knife or switchblade.

Bold added by me
§ 908.  Prohibited offensive weapons.
(a)  Offense defined.--A person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree if, except as authorized by law, he makes repairs, sells, or otherwise deals in, uses, or possesses any offensive weapon.
(b)  Exceptions.--
(1)  It is a defense under this section for the defendant to prove by a preponderance of evidence that he possessed or dealt with the weapon solely as a curio or in a dramatic performance, or that, with the exception of a bomb, grenade or incendiary device, he complied with the National Firearms Act (26 U.S.C. § 5801 et seq.), or that he possessed it briefly in consequence of having found it or taken it from an aggressor, or under circumstances similarly negativing any intent or likelihood that the weapon would be used unlawfully.
(2)  This section does not apply to police forensic firearms experts or police forensic firearms laboratories. Also exempt from this section are forensic firearms experts or forensic firearms laboratories operating in the ordinary course of business and engaged in lawful operation who notify in writing, on an annual basis, the chief or head of any police force or police department of a city, and, elsewhere, the sheriff of a county in which they are located, of the possession, type and use of offensive weapons.
(3)  This section shall not apply to any person who makes, repairs, sells or otherwise deals in, uses or possesses any firearm for purposes not prohibited by the laws of this Commonwealth.
(c)  Definitions.--As used in this section, the following words and phrases shall have the meanings given to them in this subsection:
"Firearm."  Any weapon which is designed to or may readily be converted to expel any projectile by the action of an explosive or the frame or receiver of any such weapon.
"Offensive weapons."  Any bomb, grenade, machine gun, sawed-off shotgun with a barrel less than 18 inches, firearm specially made or specially adapted for concealment or silent discharge, any blackjack, sandbag, metal knuckles, dagger, knife, razor or cutting instrument, the blade of which is exposed in an automatic way by switch, push-button, spring mechanism, or otherwise, any stun gun, stun baton, taser or other electronic or electric weapon or other implement for the infliction of serious bodily injury which serves no common lawful purpose.
(d)  Exemptions.--The use and possession of blackjacks by the following persons in the course of their duties are exempt from this section:
(1)  Police officers, as defined by and who meet the requirements of the act of June 18, 1974 (P.L.359, No.120), referred to as the Municipal Police Education and Training Law.
(2)  Police officers of first class cities who have successfully completed training which is substantially equivalent to the program under the Municipal Police Education and Training Law.
(3)  Pennsylvania State Police officers.
(4)  Sheriffs and deputy sheriffs of the various counties who have satisfactorily met the requirements of the Municipal Police Education and Training Law.
(5)  Police officers employed by the Commonwealth who have satisfactorily met the requirements of the Municipal Police Education and Training Law.
(6)  Deputy sheriffs with adequate training as determined by the Pennsylvania Commission on Crime and Delinquency.
(7)  Liquor Control Board agents who have satisfactorily met the requirements of the Municipal Police Education and Training Law.
(Dec. 20, 1983, P.L.291, No.78, eff. imd.; July 6, 1984, P.L.647, No.134, eff. 90 days; July 11, 1985, P.L.235, No.58, eff. 60 days; Oct. 4, 1994, P.L.571, No.84, eff. 60 days; Nov. 6, 2002, P.L.1096, No.132, eff. 60 days)

2002 Amendment.  Act 132 amended subsec. (c).
References in Text.  The act of June 18, 1974 (P.L.359, No.120), referred to as the Municipal Police Education and Training Law, referred to in subsection (d)(1), was repealed by the act of December 19, 1996 (P.L.1158, No.177). The subject matter is now contained in Subchapter D of Chapter 21 of Title 53 (Municipalities Generally).
Cross References.  Section 908 is referred to in section 6105 of this title; section 3304 of Title 5 (Athletics and Sports).
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Looking under (b)exceptions at (3)
(3)  This section shall not apply to any person who makes, repairs, sells or otherwise deals in, uses or possesses any firearm for purposes not prohibited by the laws of this Commonwealth.
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A literal reading of this leads me to believe that if I use or possess a firearm for a purpose not prohibited by law, the entire section does not apply to me, so I am exempted from the knife restrictions as long as I possess a firearm.

I am not a lawyer, so my reading may be totally flawed.  Anyone else care to weigh in?
Link Posted: 8/2/2016 9:19:27 AM EDT
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Retired LEO here, for what it matters, my reading of that statute is consistent with yours.
Link Posted: 8/3/2016 9:45:56 PM EDT
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Retired LEO here, for what it matters, my reading of that statute is consistent with yours.
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I respect that you have this stance on these, but I fear a majority of LEO will still be very anti to them even though this looks like it allows people who possess firearms to have them.
Link Posted: 8/7/2016 1:13:11 PM EDT
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Reading further into the statute, under (c) Definitions, I wonder if (3) was only intended as directly referencing firearms otherwise prohibited by law.

But the wording is easily arguable to legally favor a person with a LTCF that gets hooked for carrying a dagger or something, IMHO.


Good find, Justin.

Link Posted: 8/7/2016 1:24:44 PM EDT
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Reading further into the statute, under (c) Definitions, I wonder if (3) was only intended as directly referencing firearms otherwise prohibited by law.

But the wording is easily arguable to legally favor a person with a LTCF that gets hooked for carrying a dagger or something, IMHO.


Good find, Justin.

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Thank you, and thanks for the input everyone.

I would tend to agree with you that it was intended as only exempting firearms, however the way it is written, I believe it covers the whole section.
Link Posted: 8/12/2016 12:41:39 AM EDT
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I'll probably run this past a lawyer before placing any orders, but the way I read that, I completely agree with your interpretation.
Link Posted: 8/14/2016 1:35:04 AM EDT
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I'd love to be able to carry a SOCP...
Link Posted: 8/24/2016 11:49:14 PM EDT
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Unfortunately the law is not what we interpret it to say but what the people who uphold it interpret it to say. So regardless of what we think it says your local lawyer or sheriff might provide you with a more accurate answer.

I believe we discussed this in another thread but there are exceptions that allow people to carrier an auto knife if I am not mistaken. Like EMT's, LEO or firefighter?
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