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Posted: 11/11/2015 11:59:38 PM EDT
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No spending cuts mentioned or expected. Sales tax raised to 7.25%. Casino money will go to fund state pensions.
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Posted: 11/17/2015 6:24:38 PM EDT
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PA already has the highest gas tax in the country.
http://www.api.org/oil-and-natural-gas-overview/industry-economics/fuel-taxes/gasoline-tax It's going up another 8 cents January first. I know a guy that his wife is a retired PA state worker. She retired @ 55 with 30 years in. She gets $87,000 per year cash and her and her family get a Cadillac health care plan for as long as they live. There are tens of thousands of these moochers at the public trough and that's why are roads are always in disrepair and our taxes are always going up. THEY will NEVER stop stealing from us......NEVER. My wife and I have decided to relocate to an area of the country where we will no longer have to finance the lavish lifestyles of the kings and queens of state and local government. We had a Republican governor, senate and house for four years and yet NONE of this was addressed. Then Corbett screwed us on the way out with a massive tax increase. I hate this state and can't wait to get out while I still have some money in the bank. |
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Posted: 11/17/2015 6:34:18 PM EDT
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Moocher, says the Arfcom freeloader.
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Posted: 11/17/2015 7:12:51 PM EDT
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Moocher, says the Arfcom freeloader. I think we just found the teacher. 
Looks like the state sales tax is going up - I'll just buy more in Delaware when I'm there filling my tank. Another interesting component - the state may finally relinquish its monopoly on the liquor business. |
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Posted: 11/17/2015 7:15:39 PM EDT
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Me a teacher? That's unpossible.
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Posted: 11/17/2015 7:39:36 PM EDT
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Thought I heard that the sales tax hike would be offset by lower property taxes but I haven't seen details. Anyone know more?
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Posted: 11/17/2015 7:54:49 PM EDT
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Thought I heard that the sales tax hike would be offset by lower property taxes but I haven't seen details. Anyone know more? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Thought I heard that the sales tax hike would be offset by lower property taxes but I haven't seen details. Anyone know more? Yeah, I don't know the details, but I'm skeptical. I think the "lower property taxes" nonsense was to be implemented through some kind of property tax rebates...which would probably go only to welfare recipients or some other kind of means tested bullshit. ETA - just read this: The Pennsylvania Senate's majority leader said Tuesday that he is planning a vote early next week on legislation to end the collection of school property taxes and replace it with billions of dollars in higher state taxes on income and sales, including repealing of a wide range of exemptions on transactions. Under the bill introduced by Sen. David Argall, R-Schuylkill, the personal income tax rate would rise from 3.07 percent to 4.34 percent while more types of food, clothing and shoes would be exposed to a new, higher tax on sales -- 7 percent, up from 6 percent. more... |
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Posted: 11/17/2015 8:31:29 PM EDT
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Without reading the full text of the bill yet, I would gladly accept and even vote for a sales tax increase with the elimination of my school taxes, not a reduction since that will only be temporary. Of course there will probably be some pork for someone attached to this to make you think twice. I'll have to look into this further.
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Posted: 11/17/2015 10:02:11 PM EDT
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Moocher, says the Arfcom freeloader. The truth hurts. |
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Posted: 11/18/2015 1:09:10 AM EDT
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Yeah, I don't know the details, but I'm skeptical. I think the "lower property taxes" nonsense was to be implemented through some kind of property tax rebates...which would probably go only to welfare recipients or some other kind of means tested bullshit. ETA - just read this: more... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thought I heard that the sales tax hike would be offset by lower property taxes but I haven't seen details. Anyone know more? Yeah, I don't know the details, but I'm skeptical. I think the "lower property taxes" nonsense was to be implemented through some kind of property tax rebates...which would probably go only to welfare recipients or some other kind of means tested bullshit. ETA - just read this: The Pennsylvania Senate's majority leader said Tuesday that he is planning a vote early next week on legislation to end the collection of school property taxes and replace it with billions of dollars in higher state taxes on income and sales, including repealing of a wide range of exemptions on transactions. Under the bill introduced by Sen. David Argall, R-Schuylkill, the personal income tax rate would rise from 3.07 percent to 4.34 percent while more types of food, clothing and shoes would be exposed to a new, higher tax on sales -- 7 percent, up from 6 percent. more... So HB/SB76 is now back on the table after all these years? I gave up on them when the Unions and other groups lost their collective minds when they found out their services would be taxed, for example, lawyers services... they fucking lost their minds. Same thing applied with local teachers and the unions. Stripping them all of the power to tax and take homes was like throwing fuel in the fire. Giving control of all the money (school funding) to Harrisburg (More of that stripping local power) also caused politicians on both sides to get a little queasy at the though of losing local control of the purse strings and money and once again, taking homes and selling them. The IFO (Independent Fiscal Office) ran the numbers and the increase in sale tax, the addition of more items that can be taxed, and the small increase in state income tax more than funded all of the states schools. Nobody should ever lose their home because they cannot pay school taxes. |
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Posted: 11/18/2015 3:00:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Nobody should ever lose their home because they cannot pay school taxes. Agreed. What ever happened to life, liberty and the pursuit of property? If I were to take what I pay now for the next 30 years, it'd be more than enough to send a kid to Yale for 4 years (room and board included).... Not only do I not have kids yet, but while the school district is great (Methacton), they would certainly not be graduating with a Yale education. If I were to live into my 90's; I would have paid more in school taxes alone than the house. (Assuming it doesn't increase, which is laughable). |
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Posted: 11/18/2015 6:15:38 PM EDT
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Being a working person in Pa. is a death by a thousand cuts...too much spent on entitlements
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Posted: 11/18/2015 6:43:09 PM EDT
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If it actually eliminates my school taxes i'm all for it, even with the higher sales and income taxes. My school taxes are over 10% of my income right now.
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Posted: 11/19/2015 1:21:38 AM EDT
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Whatever they do will be pulling from one put and putting in another. I want them to work on evening the system my town is overflowing with split homes turned into rental properties and my school taxes are ridiculous. When I retire I'll pay more in school tax most likely than my total escrowed house payment. It's no damn good I'll have to work part time or start a business.
They are proposing a sales tax increase to 7.25% and lowering school tax 15%. That won't last but a year. What frustrates me the most is that everyone I know either pays there own retirement or doesn't have one setup yet. Meanwhile we pay the teachers salary and pensions. Pay your own damn retirement, almost everyone else is. |
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Posted: 11/22/2015 1:01:33 AM EDT
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I had hoped that the pension mess would finally be addressed but I guess that I was wrong. We can all thank Tom Ridge the Republican fiscal conservative for this bankrupt pension that the tax payers of PA are saddled with.
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Posted: 11/22/2015 7:59:23 PM EDT
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Please research SB/HB 76, see it for yourselves and then call your senators and congressmen and advise them to get on board
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Posted: 11/22/2015 9:05:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had hoped that the pension mess would finally be addressed but I guess that I was wrong. We can all thank Tom Ridge the Republican fiscal conservative for this bankrupt pension that the tax payers of PA are saddled with. I can only speak for what I know from my department in the executive branch of the government. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 8:02:42 AM EDT
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During the entire time of Ed Rendell's administration the state failed to contribute to the employee's retirement, although the employee did. Rendell also took IOUs out of it to help keep PEBTF afloat and for PennDOT projects. I can only speak for what I know from my department in the executive branch of the government. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I had hoped that the pension mess would finally be addressed but I guess that I was wrong. We can all thank Tom Ridge the Republican fiscal conservative for this bankrupt pension that the tax payers of PA are saddled with. I can only speak for what I know from my department in the executive branch of the government. I wonder if the taxpayer not contributing their 6.5% or so of state worker salaries to the pension fund was the major cause of the $60 billion short fall or could it be the retroactive pension increase passed by Ridge without any increase in contributions by the workers or the taxpayers? Wonder if the fact that most retirees were refunded all of their pension contributions plus 4% as a lump sum when they retire has any impact on the pension short fall? |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 1:20:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if the taxpayer not contributing their 6.5% or so of state worker salaries to the pension fund was the major cause of the $60 billion short fall or could it be the retroactive pension increase passed by Ridge without any increase in contributions by the workers or the taxpayers? Wonder if the fact that most retirees were refunded all of their pension contributions plus 4% as a lump sum when they retire has any impact on the pension short fall? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I had hoped that the pension mess would finally be addressed but I guess that I was wrong. We can all thank Tom Ridge the Republican fiscal conservative for this bankrupt pension that the tax payers of PA are saddled with. I can only speak for what I know from my department in the executive branch of the government. I wonder if the taxpayer not contributing their 6.5% or so of state worker salaries to the pension fund was the major cause of the $60 billion short fall or could it be the retroactive pension increase passed by Ridge without any increase in contributions by the workers or the taxpayers? Wonder if the fact that most retirees were refunded all of their pension contributions plus 4% as a lump sum when they retire has any impact on the pension short fall? |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 6:55:24 PM EDT
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I know I never got a pension increase or a + 4% in my lump sum. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I had hoped that the pension mess would finally be addressed but I guess that I was wrong. We can all thank Tom Ridge the Republican fiscal conservative for this bankrupt pension that the tax payers of PA are saddled with. I can only speak for what I know from my department in the executive branch of the government. I wonder if the taxpayer not contributing their 6.5% or so of state worker salaries to the pension fund was the major cause of the $60 billion short fall or could it be the retroactive pension increase passed by Ridge without any increase in contributions by the workers or the taxpayers? Wonder if the fact that most retirees were refunded all of their pension contributions plus 4% as a lump sum when they retire has any impact on the pension short fall? When did you retire? If your pension is 2.5% of your salary x years of service you got the increase. If you retired before the Ridge increase you are probably doing OK on 2% of your salary x years of service. The way the state pension lump sum used to work was that the retiring employee was repaid all of their contributions to the pension system plus 4%. I believe that it was called the "Winnebago dividend". I find it amusing when the unions say that they paid their fair share when in reality they paid nothing for their pension. So the workers in PA pay nothing and the taxpayer contributions keep getting reduced or suspended and we pass a retroactive increase for all current state employees and we wonder why the pension system went from a $4 billion surplus to a $60 billion deficit in 10 or 12 years. I love Harrisburg. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 7:25:40 PM EDT
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It sounds like whatever deal was in the works came apart. Wolf is doing the typical "it's all the republicans' fault" bit despite the fact that he has vetoed every budget sent to him so far.
I'm afraid that this is going to be a no win for us in the next election - either the Rs can hold the line on taxes and get accused of "obstructionism" and starving all the school children, or they give Wolf what he wants and get blamed for all the new taxes. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 8:38:40 PM EDT
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I retired in 2012.
My retirement rate was based on 75% of my highest year at 25 years. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:26:26 PM EDT
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I retired in 2012. My retirement rate was based on 75% of my highest year at 25 years. Congratulations on being retired. I hope to be there in a few years. 75% at 25 sounds like a PSP pension though I am not a PA pension expert. Good deal and hopefully the folks in Harrisburg can come up with an acceptable fix for our pension deficit. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 2:53:08 AM EDT
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Not sure about the 75% but the highest year rule is pretty much all over. When I worked for DPW most employees would work as much OT as they could for a year or 2 , then curtail it. They always said they had their high year for retirement.
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Posted: 11/25/2015 6:36:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Congratulations on being retired. I hope to be there in a few years. 75% at 25 sounds like a PSP pension though I am not a PA pension expert. Good deal and hopefully the folks in Harrisburg can come up with an acceptable fix for our pension deficit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I retired in 2012. My retirement rate was based on 75% of my highest year at 25 years. Congratulations on being retired. I hope to be there in a few years. 75% at 25 sounds like a PSP pension though I am not a PA pension expert. Good deal and hopefully the folks in Harrisburg can come up with an acceptable fix for our pension deficit.  I'm planning accordingly now. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:55:37 PM EDT
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It sounds like whatever deal was in the works came apart. Wolf is doing the typical "it's all the republicans' fault" bit despite the fact that he has vetoed every budget sent to him so far. I'm afraid that this is going to be a no win for us in the next election - either the Rs can hold the line on taxes and get accused of "obstructionism" and starving all the school children, or they give Wolf what he wants and get blamed for all the new taxes. Only the Uniformed will vote against the reps for this. Honestly, they tend to vote ignorant anyway. Wolf got elected and all he ever talked about was raising taxes. I love the gas tax idea and how many idiots think it's a great idea. Yeah tax the gas and guess what that tax gets passed along to the consumer. People are just really dumb, numb, careless or who knows. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 11:23:05 AM EDT
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Is gas really going up another 8 cents a gallon?
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Posted: 12/23/2015 6:19:53 PM EDT
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The senate sent another budget to Wolf's desk today. We'll see if he signs it or pulls another veto.
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