 SplatSTi
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Posted: 2/8/2009 12:16:28 AM
Originally Posted By shotar:
Originally Posted By Cincyplayground:
so if you have a 40 round mag or 75 round drum, is the illegal? thanks It is not illegal to own, but it is illegal to put it into a semi auto non NFA rifle. What about if you take your gun to another state with said mag, say.. KY. Can I put it on my gun then? |
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Posted: 2/9/2009 5:17:09 PM
in that state yea, just not here.
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Posted: 2/16/2009 4:21:56 PM
Any opinions on coupled mags? Since the magazines are separate entities, does the coupler make them a single thing?
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Posted: 2/17/2009 1:15:43 PM
[Last Edit: 2/17/2009 1:16:15 PM by bigbore]
Originally Posted By swmort2:
Any opinions on coupled mags? Since the magazines are separate entities, does the coupler make them a single thing? couplers are fine, because the law is written that when more than 31rds are fired "without" a reload its a dangerous ordnance. |
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Posted: 2/18/2009 6:15:08 PM
[Last Edit: 2/18/2009 6:15:35 PM by coltaceguy]
Interesting.
so my FFL who is from OHIO and holds his FFL there owns multiple BETA-mags for his AR-15s and Sig 556. He is commiting a felony everytime he uses one of those in his rifle? |
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Posted: 2/18/2009 8:57:36 PM
The OP mentions center fire. I don't think that the statute is dependent on center versus rimfire. It only excepts 22 caliber.
As stated in the OP, a 100 round magazine for a .17HMr weapon would be GTG, but I don't think that this the case. |
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Posted: 4/2/2009 11:02:24 PM
Originally Posted By shotar:
Beltfeds must load only 31 rounds. 32 round mags are not ok. ... So, for clarification, how would this be applied to disintegrating and non-disintegrating belts? For example... a 1919 with variable # of links, versus a cloth belt or something like the RPD belt which uses a segment of links of 50 that always has the possibility of loading more than ~30/31. As long as ~30/31 are only loaded in a BELT that is not easily modified to hold less than 50,would that be good? Or a no - go? I hope the question is clear... |
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Posted: 4/3/2009 7:36:27 PM
[Last Edit: 4/3/2009 7:36:49 PM by benny429]
So I have to permanently modify my 32 round Sten mags (for my 9mm upper)?
What is the easiest way to do this? |
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Posted: 4/4/2009 10:52:54 AM
Originally Posted By DNH:
I disagree, but don't feel like arguing it. Someone who can do so needs to do a review of Ohio Supreme Court decisions on this and post up what they said on the subject several years ago. Someone did that over at www.1919a4.com and found that the Court stated what I said above, but it has been several years ago, and I can't find it in their archives to quote it here. The only reason I remember it is that I was arguing Shotar and Bigbore's version of the law in that thread, and whoever posted the Court decisions proved me completely wrong. Wish I could either find the old thread or locate those types of case law myself to help everyone else out. Well, above I did summarize the case law, which is directly contrary to your conclusion. I also noted that the Ohio Supreme Court has never addressed this issue, which remains true. I should also add that, over my intense objection, I have been forced to draft indictments based on the 32-round mag, and those indictments have resulted in conviction, which ought to be a pretty authoritative answer to this issue. |
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Posted: 4/5/2009 7:25:52 PM
How about we, oh I don't know, start a petition or call up Buckeye Firearms Association and talk about REPEALING THE LAW? That seams like a much better alternative than buttfucking over what the law means in arfcom.
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Posted: 4/11/2009 6:11:32 PM
Are they allowed to be used in an NFA gun ie an SBR. If so does it matter if it is the short upper or a full size upper on the SBR lower
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Posted: 4/11/2009 7:33:46 PM
Originally Posted By EKUJustice:
Are they allowed to be used in an NFA gun ie an SBR. If so does it matter if it is the short upper or a full size upper on the SBR lower If you carefully work your way from the "automatic weapon" to "dangerous ordnance",,, then into the posession of "dangerous ordnance" down to the "exempt if properly registered in the National Firearms Registry Transfer Record",, and the 2923.11 will not apply to NFA firearms properly registered..... so fire 33 rounds or more, then reload without worry. |
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Posted: 4/11/2009 7:46:43 PM
Originally Posted By EKUJustice:
Are they allowed to be used in an NFA gun ie an SBR. If so does it matter if it is the short upper or a full size upper on the SBR lower Yeah I would like to know too. I thought about registering my Browning 1919A4 as a SBR so there is no limit to belt length, but I really wouldn't want to actually shorten the barrel. |
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Posted: 4/12/2009 10:04:19 PM
Originally Posted By bookertbab:
Originally Posted By EKUJustice:
Are they allowed to be used in an NFA gun ie an SBR. If so does it matter if it is the short upper or a full size upper on the SBR lower Yeah I would like to know too. I thought about registering my Browning 1919A4 as a SBR so there is no limit to belt length, but I really wouldn't want to actually shorten the barrel. If you really want to get complicated, you can apply from your local sheriff for a license to possess a dangerous ordnance, pursuant to ORC 2923.18. This allows any person who gets the license to possess the dangerous ordnances. See Below (A) Upon application to the sheriff of the county or safety director or police chief of the municipality where the applicant resides or has his principal place of business, and upon payment of the fee specified in division (B) of this section, a license or temporary permit shall be issued to qualified applicants to acquire, possess, carry, or use dangerous ordnance, for the following purposes:
*** (5) In the discretion of the issuing authority, any responsible person, with respect to dangerous ordnance lawfully acquired, possessed, carried, or used for a legitimate research, scientific, educational, industrial, or other proper purpose. *** B) Application for a license or temporary permit under this section shall be in writing under oath to the sheriff of the county or safety director or police chief of the municipality where the applicant resides or has his principal place of business. The application shall be accompanied by an application fee of fifty dollars when the application is for a license, and an application fee of five dollars when the application is for a temporary permit. The fees shall be paid into the general revenue fund of the county or municipality. The application shall contain the following information: (1) The name, age, address, occupation, and business address of the applicant, if he is a natural person, or the name, address, and principal place of business of the applicant, if the applicant is a corporation; (2) A description of the dangerous ordnance for which a permit is requested; (3) A description of the place or places where and the manner in which the dangerous ordnance is to be kept, carried, and used; (4) A statement of the purposes for which the dangerous ordnance is to be acquired, possessed, carried, or used; (5) Such other information as the issuing authority may require in giving effect to this section. (C) Upon investigation, the issuing authority shall issue a license or temporary permit only if all of the following apply: (1) The applicant is not otherwise prohibited by law from acquiring, having, carrying or using dangerous ordnance; (2) The applicant is age twenty-one or over, if he is a natural person; (3) It appears that the applicant has sufficient competence to safely acquire, possess, carry, or use the dangerous ordnance, and that proper precautions will be taken to protect the security of the dangerous ordnance and ensure the safety of persons and property; (4) It appears that the dangerous ordnance will be lawfully acquired, possessed, carried, and used by the applicant for a legitimate purpose. |
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Posted: 5/23/2009 3:04:45 PM
Don't want to beat this to death, but doesn't seem this was clearly answered. (Then again, may have to talk to a lawyer to confirm)
Example, I own an NFA SBR. Is it then legal to use a 100round beta magazine? Or fire more than 31 rounds without reloading? |
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Posted: 5/23/2009 6:53:50 PM
Originally Posted By WesM63:
Don't want to beat this to death, but doesn't seem this was clearly answered. (Then again, may have to talk to a lawyer to confirm) Example, I own an NFA SBR. Is it then legal to use a 100round beta magazine? Or fire more than 31 rounds without reloading? yes |
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Posted: 5/28/2009 10:39:15 PM
These convesations have value.
I used to load my rifle magazines prior to going to the range. I don't do that anymore. I read a post after buying a 50 round magazine for my 10/22 50/22. I thought I was screwed but now I understand I am not, provided it's not loaded until I arrive at the range. I thought it would be be nice to own a couple of the new 40 rd AR magazines. Probably not anymore. My point is, these conversations have a lot of value. Good stuff. Thanks guys. |
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Posted: 7/2/2009 4:03:23 PM
So what about an FN PS90 with a 30 round mag. that will also accept 50 rd. factory mags.?
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Posted: 7/2/2009 4:24:49 PM
Originally Posted By poppy:
So what about an FN PS90 with a 30 round mag. that will also accept 50 rd. factory mags.? The PS90 with a 30rd mag is fine. The 50rd mag is a no no in OH. |
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Posted: 7/15/2009 11:31:16 PM
Ok who knows what the mag size limits are for hunting in OH for both centerfire and rimfire?
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Posted: 7/21/2009 8:40:02 PM
anything that is legal, are you talking varments or deer. if it's deer 3 slugs only. rimfire what ever the gun will hold for small game. say your using your ar for varmint hunting no more the 30
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Posted: 7/25/2009 7:22:56 PM
[Last Edit: 5/3/2010 1:01:31 PM by Fields_Overseer]
Originally Posted By jimr:
anything that is legal, are you talking varments or deer. if it's deer 3 slugs only. rimfire what ever the gun will hold for small game. say your using your ar for varmint hunting no more the 30 this. If your shooting coyotes or ground hogs, standard mags are fine... if your using a 22, a 50 round will be fine... absurd, but legal 
Now what if your using a 50 Beowulf pistol for deer? is there a limit?  *ok back on topic* |
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Posted: 8/18/2009 7:14:20 PM
Originally Posted By Fields_Overseer:
Originally Posted By jimr:
anything that is legal, are you talking varments or deer. if it's deer 3 slugs only. rimfire what ever the gun will hold for small game. say your using your ar for varmint hunting no more the 30 this. If your shooting coyotes or ground hogs, standard mags are fine... if your using a 22, a 50 round will be fine... obsurd, but legal
Now what if your using a 50 Beowulf pistol for deer? is there a limit? *ok back on topic*not leagal in ohio. the law states straight wall pistol catridge |
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Posted: 9/4/2009 8:17:08 AM
Originally Posted By IANALY:
Originally Posted By bookertbab:
Originally Posted By EKUJustice:
Are they allowed to be used in an NFA gun ie an SBR. If so does it matter if it is the short upper or a full size upper on the SBR lower Yeah I would like to know too. I thought about registering my Browning 1919A4 as a SBR so there is no limit to belt length, but I really wouldn't want to actually shorten the barrel. If you really want to get complicated, you can apply from your local sheriff for a license to possess a dangerous ordnance, pursuant to ORC 2923.18. This allows any person who gets the license to possess the dangerous ordnances. See Below (A) Upon application to the sheriff of the county or safety director or police chief of the municipality where the applicant resides or has his principal place of business, and upon payment of the fee specified in division (B) of this section, a license or temporary permit shall be issued to qualified applicants to acquire, possess, carry, or use dangerous ordnance, for the following purposes:
*** (5) In the discretion of the issuing authority, any responsible person, with respect to dangerous ordnance lawfully acquired, possessed, carried, or used for a legitimate research, scientific, educational, industrial, or other proper purpose. *** B) Application for a license or temporary permit under this section shall be in writing under oath to the sheriff of the county or safety director or police chief of the municipality where the applicant resides or has his principal place of business. The application shall be accompanied by an application fee of fifty dollars when the application is for a license, and an application fee of five dollars when the application is for a temporary permit. The fees shall be paid into the general revenue fund of the county or municipality. The application shall contain the following information: (1) The name, age, address, occupation, and business address of the applicant, if he is a natural person, or the name, address, and principal place of business of the applicant, if the applicant is a corporation; (2) A description of the dangerous ordnance for which a permit is requested; (3) A description of the place or places where and the manner in which the dangerous ordnance is to be kept, carried, and used; (4) A statement of the purposes for which the dangerous ordnance is to be acquired, possessed, carried, or used; (5) Such other information as the issuing authority may require in giving effect to this section. (C) Upon investigation, the issuing authority shall issue a license or temporary permit only if all of the following apply: (1) The applicant is not otherwise prohibited by law from acquiring, having, carrying or using dangerous ordnance; (2) The applicant is age twenty-one or over, if he is a natural person; (3) It appears that the applicant has sufficient competence to safely acquire, possess, carry, or use the dangerous ordnance, and that proper precautions will be taken to protect the security of the dangerous ordnance and ensure the safety of persons and property; (4) It appears that the dangerous ordnance will be lawfully acquired, possessed, carried, and used by the applicant for a legitimate purpose. So, has anyone actually applied for one of these Dangerous Ordnance licenses? I get the feeling your average Sheriff would give you the "Deer in headlights" if you asked him for one. Just trying to dot the I and cross the T. |
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Posted: 9/5/2009 3:23:10 PM
Look here:
http://www.1919a4.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23994&highlight=ohio&page=3 A guy actually got one of them signed . |
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