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Posted: 9/10/2014 11:14:38 PM EDT
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vertical grip on a pistol is a no no all together AFAIK. If I understand it right, a bullet button is still considered a detachable magazine. So in order to have a forward vertical grip you would need to make the magazine permanent. Also not sure on the legality of building a pistol lower. This state is just retarded.
Jason ETA: Apparently I know nothing of this states ar pistol laws. Way to confusing |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 11:29:29 PM EDT
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not sure about the vert grip. a bullet button makes it a fixed magazine, hence why need a "tool" aka something that is not part of the firearm to release the mag
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Posted: 9/11/2014 12:56:54 AM EDT
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I believe the addition of a vertical forward grip onto a pistol (usually) makes it into an AOW. I believe AOW's are OK in CA, but you still have to jump through all the federal hoops.
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Posted: 9/11/2014 2:36:16 AM EDT
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If I understand it right, a bullet button-equipped rifle is still considered to have a detachable fixed magazine. Jason Fixed it for you. Because a Bullet Button requires a tool to release the magazine, the magazine is considered to be non-detachable (fixed). |
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Posted: 9/11/2014 2:52:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe the addition of a vertical forward grip onto a pistol (usually) makes it into an AOW. I believe AOW's are OK in CA, but you still have to jump through all the federal hoops. Unless it is over 26 inches OAL. It appears to be kosher, I've seen similar setups sold in stores but I don't know if I'd be up to chancing a cop ruining a range trip over it. |
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Posted: 9/11/2014 3:07:46 AM EDT
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I believe the addition of a vertical forward grip onto a pistol (usually) makes it into an AOW. Usually. But not always. Skip to the last paragraph: http://www.franklinarmory.com/XO-26_Letter__c_.pdf |
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Posted: 9/11/2014 6:04:35 PM EDT
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Fixed it for you. Because a Bullet Button requires a tool to release the magazine, the magazine is considered to be non-detachable (fixed). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I understand it right, a bullet button-equipped rifle is still considered to have a detachable fixed magazine. Jason Fixed it for you. Because a Bullet Button requires a tool to release the magazine, the magazine is considered to be non-detachable (fixed). so if I remove the vertical grip, can I remove the bullet button as a CA legal configuration? |
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Posted: 9/11/2014 6:32:12 PM EDT
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If I understand it right, a bullet button-equipped rifle is still considered to have a detachable fixed magazine. Jason Fixed it for you. Because a Bullet Button requires a tool to release the magazine, the magazine is considered to be non-detachable (fixed). so if I remove the vertical grip, can I remove the bullet button as a CA legal configuration? No. The magazine is outside of the grip, the barrel is threaded, and the handguard is lited as a barrel shroud. Did you read the quote in the OP? |
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Posted: 9/12/2014 12:48:44 AM EDT
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A Bullet Button/Fixed Magazine Does Not Exempt a Firearm from State or Federal SBR Laws.
That is why a VFG is still illegal. |
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Posted: 9/15/2014 3:08:16 PM EDT
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A Bullet Button/Fixed Magazine Does Not Exempt a Firearm from State or Federal SBR Laws. That is why a VFG is still illegal. Ok. 
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Posted: 9/15/2014 3:37:07 PM EDT
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vertical grip on a pistol is a no no all together AFAIK. If I understand it right, a bullet button is still considered a detachable magazine. So in order to have a forward vertical grip you would need to make the magazine permanent. Also not sure on the legality of building a pistol lower. This state is just retarded. Jason ETA: Apparently I know nothing of this states ar pistol laws. Way to confusing That's the problem in a nut shell, though, isn't it? At some point the gun laws became arbitrary and unconstitutionally vague and confusing. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 1:14:46 AM EDT
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A Bullet Button/Fixed Magazine Does Not Exempt a Firearm from State or Federal SBR Laws. That is why a VFG is still illegal. I must have been DRUNK when I wrote this! 
A VFG is illegal on AR Pistols. But if an AR Pistol is over 26 inches, it can be reclassified as either an AOW or a FIREARM. So a VFG is Legal on the right configuration. |
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