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Posted: 6/30/2014 2:29:05 PM EDT
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You know, I was thinking about this the other day. If they had put this fucker on the coast, running from SD up to SF, then over to sacto, with a side track into the central SJ valley, and built it through an honest contractor with realistic costs, and actual high speed rail speeds, it would be really nice to have.
Of course, not a single thing above was ever going to happen, but it sure would be nice if I could ride a fucking train to Disneyland, at 120MPH with my family and not have to deal with LA shithole traffic. or to SF, or to SD... As it stands, its the mother of clusterfucks and I am definitely against it... |
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Posted: 6/30/2014 2:38:46 PM EDT
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You know, I was thinking about this the other day. If they had put this fucker on the coast, running from SD up to SF, then over to sacto, with a side track into the central SJ valley, and built it through an honest contractor with realistic costs, and actual high speed rail speeds, it would be really nice to have. Of course, not a single thing above was ever going to happen, but it sure would be nice if I could ride a fucking train to Disneyland, at 120MPH with my family and not have to deal with LA shithole traffic. or to SF, or to SD... As it stands, its the mother of clusterfucks and I am definitely against it... +1 |
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Posted: 6/30/2014 4:00:15 PM EDT
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I like the idea of HSR as a viable alternative to air travel between SF & LA. But that doesn't mean I think it's practical to build & operate in today's political/economic/environmental climate of California.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 4:34:06 PM EDT
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The cost to be paid by California's residents just went UP by 10%.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 5:48:57 PM EDT
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The cost to be paid by California's residents just went UP by 10%. Nooooooooooooooooo! |
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Posted: 6/30/2014 5:52:23 PM EDT
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How about a high-speed rail from Victorville to Las Vegas?
Done right the rails could be laid on near empty land. The San Diego trolley does good money. I understand it actually makes a profit! I'd love to see light rail connecting the Inland Empire to Disneyland, Angeles Stadium of Whatever, Hollywood ... and even down to San Diego to link with the trolley. |
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Posted: 6/30/2014 8:29:06 PM EDT
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I like the idea of HSR as a viable alternative to air travel between SF & LA. But that doesn't mean I think it's practical to build & operate in today's political/economic/environmental climate of California. If they had followed the plan as originally proposed, they might have met the speed and time requirements, and at a much more reasonable price. But even then, I doubt that it would generate the traffic to come close to paying for operating itself alone, not anywhere close to operations and construction. The fed money wasn't going to happen anyway, this just made sure that it was gone. |
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Posted: 7/1/2014 11:29:47 AM EDT
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Why would I want to take a train to SoCal when a flight on Southwest can be had for as little as $59?
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Posted: 7/1/2014 1:36:11 PM EDT
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Why would I want to take a train to SoCal when a flight on Southwest can be had for as little as $59? You can't even get a flight from SD to LA for $59. Plus, you have go through TSA and deal with all that bullshit. Even a short flight kills most of the day. For example, the cheapest fair I could just find on expedia for a flight from SFO to LAX, during the week booked a month out was $142/person each way BEFORE all the shitty fees you have to pay. Thats not cheap. Planes are stupid expensive. |
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Posted: 7/1/2014 3:55:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can't even get a flight from SD to LA for $59. Plus, you have go through TSA and deal with all that bullshit. Even a short flight kills most of the day. For example, the cheapest fair I could just find on expedia for a flight from SFO to LAX, during the week booked a month out was $142/person each way BEFORE all the shitty fees you have to pay. Thats not cheap. Planes are stupid expensive. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why would I want to take a train to SoCal when a flight on Southwest can be had for as little as $59? You can't even get a flight from SD to LA for $59. Plus, you have go through TSA and deal with all that bullshit. Even a short flight kills most of the day. For example, the cheapest fair I could just find on expedia for a flight from SFO to LAX, during the week booked a month out was $142/person each way BEFORE all the shitty fees you have to pay. Thats not cheap. Planes are stupid expensive. For the same dates I am flying, 11/06 to 11/10, SFO to Anaheim is $69 each way direct through Southwest. That's current as of this post. The thing is, don't wait till the last minute to book a flight. You always pay more if you are close to the departure date. |
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Posted: 7/1/2014 5:13:05 PM EDT
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Hell... can we just get a light rail running from ANYWHERE to LAX?!? WTF! I can pretty much drive to SF Bay Area in the time it takes to get to LAX, go through TSA, arrive at SJO/SFO and rent a car.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 7:20:51 PM EDT
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The HSR is a huge boondoogle at best. Amtrack is a bust and HSR will be too.
Here is a snip from a recent article from the CATO institue: Since 1972 Amtrak has received more than $13 billion of federal subsidies. Twenty-five years later, Amtrak appears no closer to financial independence than the day taxpayer assistance began. Worse, Amtrak has no apparent plan to become self-sufficient. In fact, it is now pressing for a half-cent of the federal gasoline tax in order to have a permanent umbilical cord to the federal treasury. That hardly seems fair, since people who pay the gasoline tax — that is, people who drive their cars — aren’t using Amtrak. HSR will be no better, period. |
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Posted: 7/1/2014 7:47:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/12/2014 2:06:20 PM EDT
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What a stupid waste of money, so why did the Feds end up saying no?
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Posted: 7/12/2014 4:53:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/12/2014 11:33:16 PM EDT
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The HSR is a huge boondoogle at best. Amtrack is a bust and HSR will be too. Here is a snip from a recent article from the CATO institue: HSR will be no better, period. Quote HistoryQuoted:
The HSR is a huge boondoogle at best. Amtrack is a bust and HSR will be too. Here is a snip from a recent article from the CATO institue: Since 1972 Amtrak has received more than $13 billion of federal subsidies. Twenty-five years later, Amtrak appears no closer to financial independence than the day taxpayer assistance began. Worse, Amtrak has no apparent plan to become self-sufficient. In fact, it is now pressing for a half-cent of the federal gasoline tax in order to have a permanent umbilical cord to the federal treasury. That hardly seems fair, since people who pay the gasoline tax — that is, people who drive their cars — aren’t using Amtrak. HSR will be no better, period. Bingo. I dont want Kern County becoming a suburb of LA/Fresno/Bay Area either. Back in 2003-2005 time frame our cost of living was low enough that in combination with low gas prices people from LA figured it was worth the commute. Once gas prices went nuts it helped to rid us of LA trash. When the rediculous lending practices were fixed our local area went back to being reasonable again. Billion dollar train is a waste. This state needs to build it on two things. Water retention be it it dams or whatever and prisons. Largest quality of life improvement that could be made is actually putting criminals away. The stupidity of over crowding has caused it to be a golden age for thieves and cretins. |
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Posted: 7/13/2014 9:35:33 AM EDT
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... it helped to rid us of LA trash. As a resident of Los Angeles County, I'm not too happy about being called "LA trash". I'd say you are "painting with too broad of a brush" and it reflects poorly on you (really, all of us). |
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Posted: 7/13/2014 10:53:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As a resident of Los Angeles County, I'm not too happy about being called "LA trash". I'd say you are "painting with too broad of a brush" and it reflects poorly on you (really, all of us). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ... it helped to rid us of LA trash. As a resident of Los Angeles County, I'm not too happy about being called "LA trash". I'd say you are "painting with too broad of a brush" and it reflects poorly on you (really, all of us). Jesus, calguns butthurt has invaded ARFCOM....... |
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Posted: 7/13/2014 9:48:34 PM EDT
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Jesus, calguns butthurt has invaded ARFCOM....... Maybe you think of yourself as trash or are okay with others thinking of you and calling you as trash, but I am not okay with that. |
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Posted: 7/13/2014 9:53:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe you think of yourself as trash or are okay with others thinking of you and calling you as trash, but I am not okay with that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Jesus, calguns butthurt has invaded ARFCOM....... Maybe you think of yourself as trash or are okay with others thinking of you and calling you as trash, but I am not okay with that.  |
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Posted: 7/13/2014 10:06:15 PM EDT
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Guys, ease up. We are all in the same state fighting the same fight.
No need for name calling. Two months ago, we took our first Amtrak ride up to Seattle... My kids were excited... their first cab ride.... their first train ride... Their first time watching two men getting arrested and taken off the train in Paso Robles.... Yeah, that was fun  Two guys actually got drunk and had a fist fight in the lounge car... WTH? |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 3:58:24 AM EDT
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As a resident of Los Angeles County, I'm not too happy about being called "LA trash". I'd say you are "painting with too broad of a brush" and it reflects poorly on you (really, all of us). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... it helped to rid us of LA trash. As a resident of Los Angeles County, I'm not too happy about being called "LA trash". I'd say you are "painting with too broad of a brush" and it reflects poorly on you (really, all of us). I dont really care how it reflects. For the time frame I reference, by and large, what came up here from LA was trash. You dont like it? Tough shit. I dont get bent out of whack when people dump on Bakersfield/Kern Co. In fact I am quite alright with the fact that people dont like our air, dont like the summer heat, dont like that there is nothing to do here. Keeps them away and I flatly prefer dairy cows and shit flies to suburbanite city dwellars who bring their votes with them. The gas crunch and housing correction helped drive a shit load of their type back to where they truly belong. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 6:24:28 AM EDT
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How about a high-speed rail from Victorville to Las Vegas? Done right the rails could be laid on near empty land. The San Diego trolley does good money. I understand it actually makes a profit! I'd love to see light rail connecting the Inland Empire to Disneyland, Angeles Stadium of Whatever, Hollywood ... and even down to San Diego to link with the trolley. I thought about something like that a while back, seems to me though, if a high speed rail from here to Vegas was actually a good idea, and NOT a money pit, the casinos in Vegas would have funded it. IMHO |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 6:43:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I dont really care how it reflects. For the time frame I reference, by and large, what came up here from LA was trash. You dont like it? Tough shit. I dont get bent out of whack when people dump on Bakersfield/Kern Co. In fact I am quite alright with the fact that people dont like our air, dont like the summer heat, dont like that there is nothing to do here. Keeps them away and I flatly prefer dairy cows and shit flies to suburbanite city dwellars who bring their votes with them. The gas crunch and housing correction helped drive a shit load of their type back to where they truly belong. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: ... it helped to rid us of LA trash. As a resident of Los Angeles County, I'm not too happy about being called "LA trash". I'd say you are "painting with too broad of a brush" and it reflects poorly on you (really, all of us). I dont really care how it reflects. For the time frame I reference, by and large, what came up here from LA was trash. You dont like it? Tough shit. I dont get bent out of whack when people dump on Bakersfield/Kern Co. In fact I am quite alright with the fact that people dont like our air, dont like the summer heat, dont like that there is nothing to do here. Keeps them away and I flatly prefer dairy cows and shit flies to suburbanite city dwellars who bring their votes with them. The gas crunch and housing correction helped drive a shit load of their type back to where they truly belong.  I live in the Victor Valley and feel the same way. It used to quit up here. All you had to worry about was the trashy natives and meth heads. Now half of LA County has moved up here because their section 8 vouchers get them a lot nicer house. There are shooting almost every day now. Victorville and Phelan are basically Compton now. Go back where you came from you fucking assholes! |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 7:18:35 AM EDT
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I live in the Victor Valley and feel the same way. It used to quit up here. All you had to worry about was the trashy natives and meth heads. Now half of LA County has moved up here because their section 8 vouchers get them a lot nicer house. There are shooting almost every day now. Victorville and Phelan are basically Compton now. Go back where you came from you fucking assholes! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... it helped to rid us of LA trash. As a resident of Los Angeles County, I'm not too happy about being called "LA trash". I'd say you are "painting with too broad of a brush" and it reflects poorly on you (really, all of us). I dont really care how it reflects. For the time frame I reference, by and large, what came up here from LA was trash. You dont like it? Tough shit. I dont get bent out of whack when people dump on Bakersfield/Kern Co. In fact I am quite alright with the fact that people dont like our air, dont like the summer heat, dont like that there is nothing to do here. Keeps them away and I flatly prefer dairy cows and shit flies to suburbanite city dwellars who bring their votes with them. The gas crunch and housing correction helped drive a shit load of their type back to where they truly belong.
I live in the Victor Valley and feel the same way. It used to quit up here. All you had to worry about was the trashy natives and meth heads. Now half of LA County has moved up here because their section 8 vouchers get them a lot nicer house. There are shooting almost every day now. Victorville and Phelan are basically Compton now. Go back where you came from you fucking assholes! Guess we need to check our privlege and accept the "diversity train" with open hearts. If people get upset with us not wanting daily deliveries of society's not-so finest, I will take the butt hurt over the trash. /edit Out of fairness, Kern has its own trash as well. Its just that I dont need more of it much less a diversified type of trash be it liberal voting hipsters, employed yet in debt up to their eyeballs average folks, or actual criminal element. Anyone who views the train as a means of a daily commute, i dont want. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 7:44:05 AM EDT
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Maybe you think of yourself as trash or are okay with others thinking of you and calling you as trash, but I am not okay with that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jesus, calguns butthurt has invaded ARFCOM....... Maybe you think of yourself as trash or are okay with others thinking of you and calling you as trash, but I am not okay with that. I'd rather just assume that he meant "trash from LA", not that all folks from LA are trash |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:06:38 PM EDT
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As a resident of Los Angeles County, I'm not too happy about being called "LA trash". I'd say you are "painting with too broad of a brush" and it reflects poorly on you (really, all of us). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... it helped to rid us of LA trash. As a resident of Los Angeles County, I'm not too happy about being called "LA trash". I'd say you are "painting with too broad of a brush" and it reflects poorly on you (really, all of us). I can see both of your points, although i tend to side with uglygun on this. Living most of my life in a very small town in the Sacramento valley of northern California I have seen so many people move here for the "quiet small town Mayberry" lifestyle only to want to turn it into Sac or wherever they came from. On the other hand I lived in Plumas county for a couple years and was one of those fuckin flatlanders! Happy to be home on the valley floor to stay. Tom |
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Posted: 7/16/2014 10:51:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can see both of your points, although i tend to side with uglygun on this. Living most of my life in a very small town in the Sacramento valley of northern California I have seen so many people move here for the "quiet small town Mayberry" lifestyle only to want to turn it into Sac or wherever they came from. On the other hand I lived in Plumas county for a couple years and was one of those fuckin flatlanders! Happy to be home on the valley floor to stay. Tom Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: ... it helped to rid us of LA trash. As a resident of Los Angeles County, I'm not too happy about being called "LA trash". I'd say you are "painting with too broad of a brush" and it reflects poorly on you (really, all of us). I can see both of your points, although i tend to side with uglygun on this. Living most of my life in a very small town in the Sacramento valley of northern California I have seen so many people move here for the "quiet small town Mayberry" lifestyle only to want to turn it into Sac or wherever they came from. On the other hand I lived in Plumas county for a couple years and was one of those fuckin flatlanders! Happy to be home on the valley floor to stay. Tom Even BIGGER scale... How many people leave their country then badmouth USA because it is not like their country... WTF? World is a changin'  |
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Posted: 7/16/2014 11:41:58 PM EDT
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... when I moved to CA, I LOVED the laid back relaxed lifestyle... fast forward 27 years and this place turned into the place I left. Just like NYC. There's a lot of truth in that, except I've lived here longer. At my first job here, more than half my co-workers were from my previous home State. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 1:36:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice.  Quote HistoryAhhh why should I drive an hour to get on a train and be left without my car  Another 2.5 hours or so and I'm there with my car
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Posted: 7/21/2014 2:08:20 PM EDT
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Ahhh why should I drive an hour to get on a train and be left without my car
Another 2.5 hours or so and I'm there with my car Quote HistoryQuoted:
Ahhh why should I drive an hour to get on a train and be left without my car
Another 2.5 hours or so and I'm there with my car Nobody i have talked to would remotely consider taking the train ANYWHERE in the state only to have to rely on public transportation once they get there. If I were to want to goto the bay area or LA, i am taking my car or flying. The train is simply stupid. Our culture is nkt that of Europe or Japan where high speed rail is the back bone of some communities and day to day business life. If the choice is taking the train or taking my car. I will take my car. If the choice is limited to the train or not going.... i wont go. |
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