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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:09:04 PM EDT
Saw this over on Calguns and though I would share it here.
Link to the Bill

Granted even if Peruta gets finalized I still give this a snow balls chance in hell making it through as is. But still worth a call to your local official to support! Take a 8hr class, pay 100 bucks and get your 5 year permit in 30 days, sign me up!
Link Posted: 4/23/2014 6:28:51 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/23/2014 9:40:35 PM EDT
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At my age , I may see it happen, but I might not be able to be let out without a keeper by then.  (Then again some say that should be now, but //)
Link Posted: 4/24/2014 11:00:19 AM EDT
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Sweet!
Link Posted: 4/24/2014 6:43:13 PM EDT
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I could see this bill passing, it might take pressure and liability off the CLEOs.
Every county making their own rules for CCW is BS. Guarantee that if peruta is upheld and becomes law, you will LA/SFO creating new hoops for CCW applicants to jump through.
Link Posted: 4/25/2014 7:03:22 AM EDT
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I could see this bill passing, it might take pressure and liability off the CLEOs.
Every county making their own rules for CCW is BS. Guarantee that if peruta is upheld and becomes law, you will LA/SFO creating new hoops for CCW applicants to jump through.
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That's why I want this bill to go through. Central issuing agency means equal rules for all and one agency to go after for policy change.
Link Posted: 4/25/2014 10:35:59 AM EDT
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It could also mean a single authority could stop the issuing of ALL licenses.  As it is, there are many counties that issue CCW's.  Centralize control and place it under the authority of a socialist totalitarian and you can expect almost 100% revocation, not greater availability.

You see, the existing law uses the phrase "good cause".  I feel that defense of self and family in an increasingly corrupt society is more than adequate to establish "good cause".  What better cause is there?  None.  

Many existing authorities have perverted "good cause" into an excuse for denial of permits.

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Link Posted: 4/25/2014 1:53:50 PM EDT
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Yeah, I'm not sure I want Sacramento in charge of anything.
Link Posted: 4/25/2014 6:01:39 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/25/2014 6:03:31 PM EDT
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That's why I want this bill to go through. Central issuing agency means equal rules for all and one agency to go after for policy change.
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I could see this bill passing, it might take pressure and liability off the CLEOs.
Every county making their own rules for CCW is BS. Guarantee that if peruta is upheld and becomes law, you will LA/SFO creating new hoops for CCW applicants to jump through.


That's why I want this bill to go through. Central issuing agency means equal rules for all and one agency to go after for policy change.


It works well here. No arbitrary decisions with "Shall issue" laws.

At least it's a step in the right direction.

61 days and counting till I'm a Cali resident (again).
Link Posted: 4/26/2014 9:14:45 AM EDT
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It works well here. No arbitrary decisions with "Shall issue" laws.
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I could see this bill passing, it might take pressure and liability off the CLEOs.
Every county making their own rules for CCW is BS. Guarantee that if peruta is upheld and becomes law, you will LA/SFO creating new hoops for CCW applicants to jump through.


That's why I want this bill to go through. Central issuing agency means equal rules for all and one agency to go after for policy change.


It works well here. No arbitrary decisions with "Shall issue" laws.
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populatin New Hampshuh: 1.32M

number of counties in CA with population over 1.32M: 8

there are 1.3M people in San Diego.

there are 3.8M people in the City of Los Angeles alone.  heck, there are more Hispanics just in the City of LA, than there are people altogether on NH.

my point being that a central system for 1.3M is workable, but CA is too big and diverse.  a central system is too big and out of touch when it covers that many people and interests.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 2:06:40 AM EDT
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It could also mean a single authority could stop the issuing of ALL licenses.  As it is, there are many counties that issue CCW's.  Centralize control and place it under the authority of a socialist totalitarian and you can expect almost 100% revocation, not greater availability.

You see, the existing law uses the phrase "good cause".  I feel that defense of self and family in an increasingly corrupt society is more than adequate to establish "good cause".  What better cause is there?  None.  

Many existing authorities have perverted "good cause" into an excuse for denial of permits.

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AB1563 would result in a single issuing agency (CA DOJ) and issuance of a permit requiring two things, completion of a CA DOJ approved CCW training course and passing a background check. Being a person of "good moral character" and having a "good cause" would no longer be required.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 9:23:55 AM EDT
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AB1563 would result in a single issuing agency (CA DOJ) and issuance of a permit requiring two things, completion of a CA DOJ approved CCW training course and passing a background check. Being a person of "good moral character" and having a "good cause" would no longer be required.
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Well, just nitpicking here, it actually requires five things.  

The good cause discussion relates to the existing laws and how its wording was redefined and perverted to deny permits rather than to issue them.



It reminds me of term limits and how that was perverted.  It was intended to get rid of career politicians.  Instead, it took power from the people and placed it into the hands of the politicians in "smoke-filled back rooms".  Now, the parties shuffle their players from office to office and we've gotten rid of none of them.

My Fear Talking - Let's say the Bill passes.  Authority to issue is centralized.  All old permits are cancelled.  A moratorium is placed on issuing new permits by the CADOJ until lawsuits and injunctions are resolved (which may be never).  What is this currently non-existent training course "that is acceptable to the department"?  What if they never find a course that's acceptable, or drag their feet with approval until the law can be amended/overturned?

I like what I see in the Bill.  I'm just not optimistic about the future of law and politics in California.  I have zero trust in our CA legislature as it is currently constituted.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 4:29:27 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/27/2014 9:22:18 PM EDT
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Re-refered to Public Safety Committee 23APR2014.
Link Posted: 4/28/2014 7:57:47 PM EDT
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I'm highly skeptical the state would pass this.  But if they did it would be placing this in state hands and be taking it out of our hands at the local level.  

To put it bluntly, I don't trust the state.  We have some great chiefs and great sheriffs responsibly issuing CCW's and under this law that would cease.

Can anyone name a single thing the state has administrated correctly ? Or hasn't seriously fucked up ?

Link Posted: 4/28/2014 8:05:13 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/29/2014 9:59:29 AM EDT
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In case anyone wants to listen in on the public safety committee hearing. LINK scroll down to public safety and click on "listen to this hearing."

Edit, Donnelly is up now. Doing his other bill now, than 1563 next
Link Posted: 4/29/2014 10:42:20 AM EDT
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aaaaannnnd it failed.
Link Posted: 4/29/2014 10:23:00 PM EDT
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Why did it fail?
Link Posted: 4/30/2014 7:22:06 AM EDT
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Because God is merciful.
Link Posted: 4/30/2014 8:52:26 AM EDT
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aaaaannnnd it failed.
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Shocker.
Link Posted: 4/30/2014 10:51:03 AM EDT
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The bill failed to get the votes in the committee, which wasn't a surprise, Ammiano was laughing about it before it was even presented. The only question they asked was if the Brady people had facts against it and when they said yes, that was "good enough." Melendez called them out on there false facts but it fell on deaf ears, she also raised issue with it being removed from local authority but voted yes because she cared more about CA becoming shall issue. She actually sounded like she truly listened to what the people wanted. Both of the yes votes actually stressed that they would rather keep it local under sheriffs. As far as public support went, lots of people showed up in support of the bill and only three against it, but it was clear that the no votes were keeping that mind set from the start. Either way, at least they heard a pro-gun bill, we need to keep this trend going.

Votes
1. Ammiano -- N
2. Melendez -- Y
3. Jones-Sawyer -- N
4. Quirk -- N
5. Skinner -- N
6. Stone -- No vote
7. Waldron  -- Y

Witnesses in Opposition
1. Nick Wilcox, CA Chapter of Brady Campaign (His argument against the bill was we would be like Florida were kids get shot with skittles and that scares him)
2. Amanda Wilcox, Brady (She argued that CCW increases crime and said she had evidence to support it but never presented it)
3. Ken James, Emeryville Police Chief (Just said he was against it)
Link Posted: 4/30/2014 3:07:30 PM EDT
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What's really sad is, I re-learned how little faith I have in our State legislators.  I do not trust them to enact a set of laws as simple as "shall issue".  Shame on them for letting their constituency get to this level of distrust.

Were there at least as many official NRA/ILA and official CRPA experts represented in the audience?  Did they speak/present?
Link Posted: 5/1/2014 8:07:28 AM EDT
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The bill failed to get the votes in the committee, which wasn't a surprise, Ammiano was laughing about it before it was even presented. The only question they asked was if the Brady people had facts against it and when they said yes, that was "good enough." Melendez called them out on there false facts but it fell on deaf ears, she also raised issue with it being removed from local authority but voted yes because she cared more about CA becoming shall issue. She actually sounded like she truly listened to what the people wanted. Both of the yes votes actually stressed that they would rather keep it local under sheriffs. As far as public support went, lots of people showed up in support of the bill and only three against it, but it was clear that the no votes were keeping that mind set from the start. Either way, at least they heard a pro-gun bill, we need to keep this trend going.

Votes
1. Ammiano -- N
2. Melendez -- Y
3. Jones-Sawyer -- N
4. Quirk -- N
5. Skinner -- N
6. Stone -- No vote
7. Waldron  -- Y

Witnesses in Opposition
1. Nick Wilcox, CA Chapter of Brady Campaign (His argument against the bill was we would be like Florida were kids get shot with skittles and that scares him)
2. Amanda Wilcox, Brady (She argued that CCW increases crime and said she had evidence to support it but never presented it)
3. Ken James, Emeryville Police Chief (Just said he was against it)
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The bill failed to get the votes in the committee, which wasn't a surprise, Ammiano was laughing about it before it was even presented. The only question they asked was if the Brady people had facts against it and when they said yes, that was "good enough." Melendez called them out on there false facts but it fell on deaf ears, she also raised issue with it being removed from local authority but voted yes because she cared more about CA becoming shall issue. She actually sounded like she truly listened to what the people wanted. Both of the yes votes actually stressed that they would rather keep it local under sheriffs. As far as public support went, lots of people showed up in support of the bill and only three against it, but it was clear that the no votes were keeping that mind set from the start. Either way, at least they heard a pro-gun bill, we need to keep this trend going.

Votes
1. Ammiano -- N
2. Melendez -- Y
3. Jones-Sawyer -- N
4. Quirk -- N
5. Skinner -- N
6. Stone -- No vote
7. Waldron  -- Y

Witnesses in Opposition
1. Nick Wilcox, CA Chapter of Brady Campaign (His argument against the bill was we would be like Florida were kids get shot with skittles and that scares him)
2. Amanda Wilcox, Brady (She argued that CCW increases crime and said she had evidence to support it but never presented it)
3. Ken James, Emeryville Police Chief (Just said he was against it)


You mean this idiot ???????
Link Posted: 5/1/2014 4:12:37 PM EDT
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WOW He only got to state that he was against because of time limitations. I'm sure he would have let the BS flow if given the chance.
Link Posted: 5/1/2014 10:28:51 PM EDT
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"A gun is not a defensive weapon."
Ken James, Emeryville Police Chief

I could go on.  He said so many stupid things in such a short period of time, it boggles my mind.
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