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Posted: 9/30/2016 12:04:17 PM EDT
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Nowadays, in Collier County, I bet it will. Not a bad thing, Probably some kind of plans too.
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Posted: 9/30/2016 5:00:46 PM EDT
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I am in the process of buying a home in Naples Florida. The inspections turned up water damage and a mold problem. The seller is required to make repairs and remove the mold using licensed contractors. The work will involve drywall, cabinetry, plumbing removal and replacement and mold abatement. Would any of that work require a permit or notice of commencement? If things are being replaced behind the drywall then yes. I.E.: Plumbing lines, electrical lines, etc... If it is just cosmetic, I.E.: Removing drywall, faucets without touching plumbing behind the walls, then no you don't. Having said all of that, I would definetely get licensed contractors though. If you need help, im me. |
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Posted: 9/30/2016 5:19:39 PM EDT
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Find a house without those problems.
My bet is, it will never get fixed right. Thank me later and welcome. 
TLDR- I don't trust contractors except to cheat you some more. 
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Posted: 9/30/2016 6:11:40 PM EDT
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Find a house without those problems. My bet is, it will never get fixed right. Thank me later and welcome.
TLDR- I don't trust contractors except to cheat you some more. I get that, the problem is, you negotiate a deal, sign a contract and then you do inspections. The order of that process is wrong in hindsight. ETA: I have my realtor checking on the property from time to time and an inspector who is supposed to get a look at things before they close things up. I'm trying to be optimistic, but I believe in that whole verify thing...... |
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Posted: 9/30/2016 6:30:25 PM EDT
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In before Campy6169? Oh, never mind.
OP - be aware Campy is a GC that works in that area. If ever you stumbled upon someone with the know-how, connections and insight, you have here. I'd suggest you IM him and keep in touch during the process. |
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Posted: 9/30/2016 6:50:30 PM EDT
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In before Campy6169? Oh, never mind. OP - be aware Campy is a GC that works in that area. If ever you stumbled upon someone with the know-how, connections and insight, you have here. I'd suggest you IM him and keep in touch during the process. Will do. |
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Posted: 9/30/2016 7:19:23 PM EDT
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In before Campy6169? Oh, never mind. OP - be aware Campy is a GC that works in that area. If ever you stumbled upon someone with the know-how, connections and insight, you have here. I'd suggest you IM him and keep in touch during the process. Will do. Got your im and replied. |
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Posted: 9/30/2016 7:20:12 PM EDT
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In before Campy6169? Oh, never mind. OP - be aware Campy is a GC that works in that area. If ever you stumbled upon someone with the know-how, connections and insight, you have here. I'd suggest you IM him and keep in touch during the process. Blackfox, thank you for the compliment and the OP has contacted me. Call me when you have a chance....... |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 11:49:19 AM EDT
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Contractor filed for a permit two weeks before closing. Permit was still being processed by the County. Five days before the closing contractor tries to have permit cancelled and tells the County that new owner will file a permit. That's news to me. What is going on here - any ideas?
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Posted: 10/16/2016 3:16:53 PM EDT
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Contractor filed for a permit two weeks before closing. Permit was still being processed by the County. Five days before the closing contractor tries to have permit cancelled and tells the County that new owner will file a permit. That's news to me. What is going on here - any ideas? Basically that tells me the seller most likely cancelled his deal with the contractor. Not knowing all the details, sounds like the seller waited until last minute and the contractor isn't aware of timelines with the county. I allow a minimum of 2-3 weeks no matter what building department I'm filing with. OP, if there is an agreed value to the work to be done, ask for the monies to be held in escrow, get the GC to do the work and then they get paid from the escrow account. The work gets done, the seller pays. Is it done when it's supposed to be, no, but it gets done and no money out of your pocket. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 8:14:18 PM EDT
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Yeah, I get it, but these folks are irrational. Saturday a mold mitigation company was supposed to be in there, but no permits were applied for and the owners were staying there. We're being lied to as far as I can tell. Planning to cancel the contract and litigate if necessary.
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Posted: 10/16/2016 8:16:27 PM EDT
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If I read this correctly, the owner is applying for the permit now that the contractor has retracted his application. Read FS 489 for the owner builder exemption. An owner builder is not supposed to pull a permit for a property that is for sale, they are going to sell with in a year, or not their primary residence.
I might consider having my own contractor do a bid and take that off the purchase price so you can monitor the repairs yourself. What caused the mold? That would be a real concern for me. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 8:28:06 PM EDT
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The seller was informed of and agreed to required repairs in June. The closing was set for August. The seller didn't make the repairs because they were waiting for an insurance claim. The closing was extended to mid-October. The seller's contractor applied for a permit in the first few days of October. Five days prior to the mid October closing the contractor tried to cancel the permit. The County says no, not until the new owner (us) applies for a replacement permit (which I'm not going to do). We offered to take a credit at closing for the $20K or so in repairs and mold mitigation back in August. Seller said no and apparently found a handy man to do it for 2K. Now we are days away and my suspicion, nothing at all has been done. Just a lot of lies / disinformation.
The source of the mold was an extended leak under the kitchen sink. The cabinet floor particle board was swollen from long term moisture. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 8:46:03 PM EDT
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The seller was informed of and agreed to required repairs in June. The closing was set for August. The seller didn't make the repairs because they were waiting for an insurance claim. The closing was extended to mid-October. The seller's contractor applied for a permit in the first few days of October. Five days prior to the mid October closing the contractor tried to cancel the permit. The County says no, not until the new owner (us) applies for a replacement permit (which I'm not going to do). We offered to take a credit at closing for the $20K or so in repairs and mold mitigation back in August. Seller said no and apparently found a handy man to do it for 2K. Now we are days away and my suspicion, nothing at all has been done. Just a lot of lies / disinformation. The source of the mold was an extended leak under the kitchen sink. The cabinet floor particle board was swollen from long term moisture. There's the answer right there, I love when I hear this from an owner that they can get the same work done for a lot less and when we ask, " Do you know the manufacturers/quality level you are getting?", they answer " no, but we were told everything is good/great quality". By Florida Law a handy man can not do the repairs necessary to this home. If you look at what a handy man can do under their license, it's pretty much change light bulbs and clean. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 8:51:16 PM EDT
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This has been the most f**ked up thing I have ever experienced.
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Posted: 10/17/2016 6:46:45 AM EDT
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There's the answer right there, I love when I hear this from an owner that they can get the same work done for a lot less and when we ask, " Do you know the manufacturers/quality level you are getting?", they answer " no, but we were told everything is good/great quality". By Florida Law a handy man can not do the repairs necessary to this home. If you look at what a handy man can do under their license, it's pretty much change light bulbs and clean. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The seller was informed of and agreed to required repairs in June. The closing was set for August. The seller didn't make the repairs because they were waiting for an insurance claim. The closing was extended to mid-October. The seller's contractor applied for a permit in the first few days of October. Five days prior to the mid October closing the contractor tried to cancel the permit. The County says no, not until the new owner (us) applies for a replacement permit (which I'm not going to do). We offered to take a credit at closing for the $20K or so in repairs and mold mitigation back in August. Seller said no and apparently found a handy man to do it for 2K. Now we are days away and my suspicion, nothing at all has been done. Just a lot of lies / disinformation. The source of the mold was an extended leak under the kitchen sink. The cabinet floor particle board was swollen from long term moisture. There's the answer right there, I love when I hear this from an owner that they can get the same work done for a lot less and when we ask, " Do you know the manufacturers/quality level you are getting?", they answer " no, but we were told everything is good/great quality". By Florida Law a handy man can not do the repairs necessary to this home. If you look at what a handy man can do under their license, it's pretty much change light bulbs and clean. SWMP15AOP, this is the type scenario I envisioned when I ran my mouth about contractors. Did not mean to include good folks like Campy. My apology to Campy. |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 8:19:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This has been the most f**ked up thing I have ever experienced. |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 9:17:32 AM EDT
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I'm going to try to, but that's why there are contracts. I have to prove they didn't perform on the contract and then I can try to get out. The contract has provisions that if the repairs are not sufficient 200% of the estimated cost to complete them can be escrowed or you can terminate the contract. That's my understanding anyway. I have an attorney and my realtor on it. Worst case scenario is going to court.
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Posted: 10/17/2016 11:30:49 AM EDT
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Update: Inspector looked at property, work not being done properly and cannot be completed by closing. Seller is belligerent and doesn't care about losing the sale. Looks like we're going to get out of the contract without more of a fight. Depending upon how you look at it I probably pissed away $2K in inspections and legal fees. I guess I'm more inclined to consider what those fees saved me in the long haul.
I'm pretty sour on Florida real estate right now, but there is a similar residence that just came on the market which is actually a little nicer. I'll probably give it a look while I'm in town for a golf trip. Thanks for your help and comments. |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 12:28:49 PM EDT
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Update: Inspector looked at property, work not being done properly and cannot be completed by closing. Seller is belligerent and doesn't care about losing the sale. Looks like we're going to get out of the contract without more of a fight. Depending upon how you look at it I probably pissed away $2K in inspections and legal fees. I guess I'm more inclined to consider what those fees saved me in the long haul. I'm pretty sour on Florida real estate right now, but there is a similar residence that just came on the market which is actually a little nicer. I'll probably give it a look while I'm in town for a golf trip. Thanks for your help and comments. While I understand your feelings based on this deal, don't give up on Florida real estate. I am not an attorney or a real estate agent - just someone very familiar with the process. I have yet to see a contract that did not allow the buyer to walk away, with all of his money, if the property did not pass inspection. I'm not saying that such contracts don't exist, nor am I saying they should not exist. I'm just stating that a standard contract should have an escape clause regarding inspection. You will have to pay for the inspection, win - lose - draw, but your representatives (I use a board certified real estate attorney) should have ensured that was present. I have no clue how other states do this, but a clause for inspection is the norm in Florida. For example, we had agreed to a price and signed a contract on a house 6 months ago. Standard inspection clause present. Less than a week before the inspection, a freak tornado damaged a dozen homes in that neighborhood. Obviously the home would not pass inspection (I actually stopped in an hour after the storm and helped them clean up) so we wished them well and moved on. No lawsuit, no angry phone calls. Simple here in Florida - if your representatives are even halfway competent. |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 1:36:59 PM EDT
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SWMP15AOP, this is the type scenario I envisioned when I ran my mouth about contractors. Did not mean to include good folks like Campy. My apology to Campy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The seller was informed of and agreed to required repairs in June. The closing was set for August. The seller didn't make the repairs because they were waiting for an insurance claim. The closing was extended to mid-October. The seller's contractor applied for a permit in the first few days of October. Five days prior to the mid October closing the contractor tried to cancel the permit. The County says no, not until the new owner (us) applies for a replacement permit (which I'm not going to do). We offered to take a credit at closing for the $20K or so in repairs and mold mitigation back in August. Seller said no and apparently found a handy man to do it for 2K. Now we are days away and my suspicion, nothing at all has been done. Just a lot of lies / disinformation. The source of the mold was an extended leak under the kitchen sink. The cabinet floor particle board was swollen from long term moisture. There's the answer right there, I love when I hear this from an owner that they can get the same work done for a lot less and when we ask, " Do you know the manufacturers/quality level you are getting?", they answer " no, but we were told everything is good/great quality". By Florida Law a handy man can not do the repairs necessary to this home. If you look at what a handy man can do under their license, it's pretty much change light bulbs and clean. SWMP15AOP, this is the type scenario I envisioned when I ran my mouth about contractors. Did not mean to include good folks like Campy. My apology to Campy. Iamhere, I didn't take offense, so no apologies needed. Believe me, I deal with this all the time and can't stand it. Like any profession the few crap people give the honest people a bad reputation in their respective field. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 6:21:13 PM EDT
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There's the answer right there, I love when I hear this from an owner that they can get the same work done for a lot less and when we ask, " Do you know the manufacturers/quality level you are getting?", they answer " no, but we were told everything is good/great quality". By Florida Law a handy man can not do the repairs necessary to this home. If you look at what a handy man can do under their license, it's pretty much change light bulbs and clean. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The seller was informed of and agreed to required repairs in June. The closing was set for August. The seller didn't make the repairs because they were waiting for an insurance claim. The closing was extended to mid-October. The seller's contractor applied for a permit in the first few days of October. Five days prior to the mid October closing the contractor tried to cancel the permit. The County says no, not until the new owner (us) applies for a replacement permit (which I'm not going to do). We offered to take a credit at closing for the $20K or so in repairs and mold mitigation back in August. Seller said no and apparently found a handy man to do it for 2K. Now we are days away and my suspicion, nothing at all has been done. Just a lot of lies / disinformation. The source of the mold was an extended leak under the kitchen sink. The cabinet floor particle board was swollen from long term moisture. There's the answer right there, I love when I hear this from an owner that they can get the same work done for a lot less and when we ask, " Do you know the manufacturers/quality level you are getting?", they answer " no, but we were told everything is good/great quality". By Florida Law a handy man can not do the repairs necessary to this home. If you look at what a handy man can do under their license, it's pretty much change light bulbs and clean. This right here. Handy man can't do plumbing. My jurisdiction would not have problems with cabinets. If a permit was required, a contractor still needed to obtain one. I think you may need to walk away from this one. IF its this bad right now, you may end up with a real sour taste for this home later. Florida real estate has some good deals in lots of places. The foreclosure rate was pretty high here and deals can still be found if your patient. Good luck with your search. |
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