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Posted: 2/16/2016 8:33:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Rinos will kill it. My contacts in the Capitol tell me it is dead unless a miracle happens. Just like last year and the year before. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just sending some more email. Anybody heard anything new? Same. More calls and emails. Really hope others are doing this too and spreading the word vigorously. I have no clue where OC stands. I hope gun owners destroy the RINOs in their respective upcoming elections due to this. Makes me sick. |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 1:09:22 PM EDT
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The Rinos will kill it. My contacts in the Capitol tell me it is dead unless a miracle happens. Just like last year and the year before. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just sending some more email. Anybody heard anything new? Same. More calls and emails. Really hope others are doing this too and spreading the word vigorously. I have no clue where OC stands. What should I pray for? 
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Posted: 2/16/2016 1:14:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What should I pray for? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just sending some more email. Anybody heard anything new? Same. More calls and emails. Really hope others are doing this too and spreading the word vigorously. I have no clue where OC stands. What should I pray for? That Portilla gets a sudden case of Zika Virus and his head shrinks. |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 1:28:20 PM EDT
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Are any of these clowns up for election this cycle?
Please let me know when I can send some fund to any one running against these RINOS - they sure as hell are not representing me. Thanks, Red |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 1:55:37 PM EDT
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Are any of these clowns up for election this cycle? Please let me know when I can send some fund to any one running against these RINOS - they sure as hell are not representing me. Thanks, Red The way the rest of them are letting Portilla get away with this behavior, they all need to go. |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 2:03:34 PM EDT
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Still waiting to hear from Marion Hammer.
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Posted: 2/16/2016 2:30:14 PM EDT
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Is it possible to sue to force him to allow it to be brought up?
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Posted: 2/16/2016 3:17:12 PM EDT
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Is it possible to sue to force him to allow it to be brought up? No. According to the rules, he is simply doing his job. The legislature has total immunity for anything they do. |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 3:56:36 PM EDT
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No. According to the rules, he is simply doing his job. The legislature has total immunity for anything they do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it possible to sue to force him to allow it to be brought up? No. According to the rules, he is simply doing his job. The legislature has total immunity for anything they do. Heh. Portilla would make a great federal politician. |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 4:26:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Heh. Portilla would make a great federal politician. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is it possible to sue to force him to allow it to be brought up? No. According to the rules, he is simply doing his job. The legislature has total immunity for anything they do. Heh. Portilla would make a great federal politician. He's a POS. Voting on duel purpose public restrooms over OC? The guy needs to be replaced. |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 7:58:00 PM EDT
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He's a POS. Voting on duel purpose public restrooms over OC? The guy needs to be replaced. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it possible to sue to force him to allow it to be brought up? No. According to the rules, he is simply doing his job. The legislature has total immunity for anything they do. Heh. Portilla would make a great federal politician. He's a POS. Voting on duel purpose public restrooms over OC? The guy needs to be replaced. Yeah, It was disgusting to hear that Portilla is ok with men going into women's restrooms, but not ok someone protecting themselves. He is a real perverted dirtbag. |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 8:00:38 PM EDT
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Still waiting to hear from Marion Hammer. I don't consider her any kind of a friend either. She gave a big gas bag speech on TV right before SB234 was shot down by Republican Senator Bogdanoff. |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 8:39:56 PM EDT
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This whole thing pisses me off beyond belief. One fucking asshole senator is blocking the will of the people of an entire state. He needs to be..........CoC prevents me from finishing this sentence.
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Posted: 2/16/2016 8:50:17 PM EDT
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This whole thing pisses me off beyond belief. One fucking asshole senator is blocking the will of the people of an entire state. He needs to be..........CoC prevents me from finishing this sentence. I have wondered if maybe the House passed the bills in such an overwhelming manner because they knew ahead of time it was going to be killed in the senate? I am really wondering if they are all more gutless than we ever thought. Think about it. Hasn't it gotten really quite over the last week. Kind of like they are all hiding till it blows over? |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 9:24:01 PM EDT
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Do these azzhats have face book pages we could set on fire?
I have called, and emailed them both multiple times... |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 10:16:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't consider her any kind of a friend either. She gave a big gas bag speech on TV right before SB234 was shot down by Republican Senator Bogdanoff. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Still waiting to hear from Marion Hammer. I don't consider her any kind of a friend either. She gave a big gas bag speech on TV right before SB234 was shot down by Republican Senator Bogdanoff. Bogdanoff.... I still remember when they brought her daughter in for burglary at DCJ.  That damn senator didn't want her daughter to possibly get killed during the course of her work as a druggie and thief. |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 10:17:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have wondered if maybe the House passed the bills in such an overwhelming manner because they knew ahead of time it was going to be killed in the senate? I am really wondering if they are all more gutless than we ever thought. Think about it. Hasn't it gotten really quite over the last week. Kind of like they are all hiding till it blows over? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This whole thing pisses me off beyond belief. One fucking asshole senator is blocking the will of the people of an entire state. He needs to be..........CoC prevents me from finishing this sentence. I have wondered if maybe the House passed the bills in such an overwhelming manner because they knew ahead of time it was going to be killed in the senate? I am really wondering if they are all more gutless than we ever thought. Think about it. Hasn't it gotten really quite over the last week. Kind of like they are all hiding till it blows over? Standard political maneuvering is you pass stuff that will go nowhere so you look good in front of your constituency. They did this last year and the year before. So in the end they can go and say "Look, I voted in favor of it but sadly it didn't go anywhere because of Mrs/Mr Blah." |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 11:01:21 PM EDT
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Puck Fortilla. What a deutschbag
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Posted: 2/16/2016 11:01:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have wondered if maybe the House passed the bills in such an overwhelming manner because they knew ahead of time it was going to be killed in the senate? I am really wondering if they are all more gutless than we ever thought. Think about it. Hasn't it gotten really quite over the last week. Kind of like they are all hiding till it blows over? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This whole thing pisses me off beyond belief. One fucking asshole senator is blocking the will of the people of an entire state. He needs to be..........CoC prevents me from finishing this sentence. I have wondered if maybe the House passed the bills in such an overwhelming manner because they knew ahead of time it was going to be killed in the senate? I am really wondering if they are all more gutless than we ever thought. Think about it. Hasn't it gotten really quite over the last week. Kind of like they are all hiding till it blows over? Yeah, it sure looks like the stink is coming from more than a single source. They talk out one side of their mouths while they appease their growing blue demographics. Florida's 2A lobby needs far more muscle and voice. These people act, or don't act....with a sense of impunity. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 1:46:32 PM EDT
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They are hoping/waiting for this to blow over. I hope all of you are calling and emailing Portilla and your state Senators. Also post Portilla's email in other forums...this needs national pressure, not just local.
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Posted: 2/17/2016 1:55:43 PM EDT
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Just heard on the radio this morning that OC, Campus Carry and airport terminal carry are declared dead by Portilla and won't move out of the Judiciary.
"Open carry is not going to happen; it's done," the Miami Republican senator told reporters. Link to story in TBT. Just in case you want' to be even more pissed off at this RINO Diaz de la Portilla said he wouldn't hear a similarly controversial bill that would allow concealed-weapons permit-holders to carry concealed on public college and university campuses. Also Tuesday, he said he won't hear a bill that would allow concealed weapons to be carried in Florida airport terminals.
“On all of these gun bills, I don’t believe any of them are necessary,” Diaz de la Portilla said. “They could result in unintended consequences. I think we need to prioritize in our committee, as far as what we hear. We can’t hear every bill that’s referred to us.” |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 2:37:52 PM EDT
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Another despicable article on it in the Miami new times
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/open-carry-bill-is-officially-dead-in-florida-8257132 |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 3:10:07 PM EDT
[#23]
In regards to Open Carry, when will it be heard by the Florida Supreme Court?
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Posted: 2/17/2016 4:23:02 PM EDT
[#24]
What a TOOL Portilla is
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Just heard on the radio this morning that OC, Campus Carry and airport terminal carry are declared dead by Portilla and won't move out of the Judiciary. Link to story in TBT. Just in case you want' to be even more pissed off at this RINO Quote HistoryQuoted:
Just heard on the radio this morning that OC, Campus Carry and airport terminal carry are declared dead by Portilla and won't move out of the Judiciary. "Open carry is not going to happen; it's done," the Miami Republican senator told reporters. Link to story in TBT. Just in case you want' to be even more pissed off at this RINO Diaz de la Portilla said he wouldn't hear a similarly controversial bill that would allow concealed-weapons permit-holders to carry concealed on public college and university campuses. Also Tuesday, he said he won't hear a bill that would allow concealed weapons to be carried in Florida airport terminals.
“On all of these gun bills, I don’t believe any of them are necessary,” Diaz de la Portilla said. “They could result in unintended consequences. I think we need to prioritize in our committee, as far as what we hear. We can’t hear every bill that’s referred to us.” |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 4:23:36 PM EDT
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What a TOOL Portilla is
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Just heard on the radio this morning that OC, Campus Carry and airport terminal carry are declared dead by Portilla and won't move out of the Judiciary. Link to story in TBT. Just in case you want' to be even more pissed off at this RINO Quote HistoryQuoted:
Just heard on the radio this morning that OC, Campus Carry and airport terminal carry are declared dead by Portilla and won't move out of the Judiciary. "Open carry is not going to happen; it's done," the Miami Republican senator told reporters. Link to story in TBT. Just in case you want' to be even more pissed off at this RINO Diaz de la Portilla said he wouldn't hear a similarly controversial bill that would allow concealed-weapons permit-holders to carry concealed on public college and university campuses. Also Tuesday, he said he won't hear a bill that would allow concealed weapons to be carried in Florida airport terminals.
“On all of these gun bills, I don’t believe any of them are necessary,” Diaz de la Portilla said. “They could result in unintended consequences. I think we need to prioritize in our committee, as far as what we hear. We can’t hear every bill that’s referred to us.” |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 5:30:32 PM EDT
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Nothing to say that SGB wants to hear.
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Posted: 2/17/2016 6:03:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Just heard on the radio this morning that OC, Campus Carry and airport terminal carry are declared dead by Portilla and won't move out of the Judiciary. Link to story in TBT. Just in case you want' to be even more pissed off at this RINO Quote HistoryQuoted:
Just heard on the radio this morning that OC, Campus Carry and airport terminal carry are declared dead by Portilla and won't move out of the Judiciary. "Open carry is not going to happen; it's done," the Miami Republican senator told reporters. Link to story in TBT. Just in case you want' to be even more pissed off at this RINO .... “They could result in unintended consequences. I think we need to prioritize in our committee, as far as what we hear. We can’t hear every bill that’s referred to us.” What a wonderfully ironic choice of words. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 6:07:26 PM EDT
[#28]
Well someone wrote about him on Wikipedia.
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Posted: 2/17/2016 7:34:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIt doesn't mention that he is a scoundrel, tyrant, and liar. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 7:41:21 PM EDT
[#30]
Maybe Florida Carry and/or the NRA could get behind a ballot initiative? It would still be a big hurdle to get 60% of voter support but the Republican led State Gov't isn't getting us anywhere.
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Posted: 2/17/2016 7:46:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It doesn't mention that he is a scoundrel, tyrant, and liar. Quote HistoryQuoted: It doesn't mention that he is a scoundrel, tyrant, and liar. Big bold letters. Portilla Against the 2nd AmendmentMiguel Díaz de la Portilla has been the main obstacle to restoring some open carry rights to Florida. He refused to allow the proposals (HB 4001 and SB 68) which would allow people with concealed-weapons licenses to carry firearms on state college and university campuses, and the other (HB 163 and SB 300) would allow people with the licenses to openly carry guns. He refused to let these bills out of committee in 2015. The bills were reintroduced in 2016 and again squashed by Mr. Portilla. Despite the Florida House voting 80 to 38 to pass the open carry reform. Despite the majority of House support for the bill, Portilla used his heavy-handed authority to stall the bills by refusing to schedule a hearing in the Senate Judiciary Committee, which he chairs. Acting as judge, jury, and executioner; ignoring his role as a servant to the people, and refusing "meetings with the bill sponsors" by taking it upon himself to know better than his constituents and the majority of the Florida House. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 7:48:08 PM EDT
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At this point the worst part is that there are only 23 days left in this session. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 7:49:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe Florida Carry and/or the NRA could get behind a ballot initiative? It would still be a big hurdle to get 60% of voter support but the Republican led State Gov't isn't getting us anywhere. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 8:16:22 PM EDT
[#34]
Anybody got television news contacts..
Could have a story in this... Portilla not upholding his oath to the voting public, etc. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 8:32:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anybody got television news contacts.. Could have a story in this... Portilla not upholding his oath to the voting public, etc. |
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Posted: 2/18/2016 3:03:33 PM EDT
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FUCK!!!!
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Posted: 2/18/2016 4:24:54 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FUCK!!!! |
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Posted: 2/18/2016 4:52:44 PM EDT
[#38]
GOPe RINOs doing what they do best. I now wonder if Scott would even sign it.
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Posted: 2/18/2016 5:38:30 PM EDT
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Anybody got television news contacts.. Could have a story in this... Portilla not upholding his oath to the voting public, etc. Wonder if Dana Loesch on the Blaze has been following this at all. |
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Posted: 2/18/2016 6:09:23 PM EDT
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I say we put some money together and buy the billboard by his office and post some nice messages.
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Posted: 2/18/2016 7:03:22 PM EDT
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http://public.lobbytools.com/legislators/493
https://ballotpedia.org/Miguel_Diaz_de_la_Portilla
—------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Open carry is not going to happen; it's done," the Miami Republican senator told reporters. Diaz de la Portilla had expressed growing reluctance for weeks about holding a hearing on SB 300, saying last week it was "on life support." It's among three gun bills he's killing this session by not granting them hearings in his committee, a powerful prerogative that committee chairman have. Last month, Diaz de la Portilla said he wouldn't hear a similarly controversial bill that would allow concealed-weapons permit-holders to carry concealed on public college and university campuses. Also Tuesday, he said he won't hear a bill that would allow concealed weapons to be carried in Florida airport terminals. (It passed its first committee earlier in the day but it won't be heard in the House, so it was essentially dead anyway.) "On all of these gun bills, I don’t think any of them are necessary,” Diaz de la Portilla said. "They could result in unintended consequences. I think we need to prioritize in our committee, as far as what we hear. We can’t hear every bill that’s referred to us.” Both the campus-carry and open-carry bills passed the Republican-heavy House earlier this month. Diaz de la Portilla's decision to halt both of them has made him the target of praise from gun-control supporters and of anger from gun-rights advocates, including the National Rifle Association. (More here.) |
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Posted: 2/18/2016 7:08:26 PM EDT
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GOPe RINOs doing what they do best. I now wonder if Scott would even sign it. Why wouldn't he? He's been rock solid on 2a issues and promised to sign OC long ago if it ever crossed his desk. |
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Posted: 2/18/2016 7:43:52 PM EDT
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22 days left
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Posted: 2/19/2016 3:46:14 PM EDT
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I have gotten increasingly disgusted by Tallahassee and the people there. I have written a number of emails and letters, and have gotten back only lip service responses.
I guess I finally touched a nerve because I got the response below. Nobody there wants to accept any kind of responsibility. Dear Mr. Cruciantime, I would remind you that Representative Ray has spoken to you previously regarding his strong support of our 2nd Amendment Right. Below is one of the many newspaper articles available on the internet regarding the bills in question. House Bill 163 passed the Florida House on February 3rd with a party line vote 80 Republican Yeas and 38 Democrat Nays. It was sent to the Senate in Messages on February 10th. The Senate is a separate entity within the Florida Legislature. It now controls the fate of the bill. This is the normal process. The republican members of the Florida House are frustrated that the Senators are allowing a single chairman to block passage of the bill, however, that is the process and there are a number of unrelated bills chairman are blocking in both houses of the Florida Legislature. All available resolutions of this situation currently reside within the Senate. Representative Ray has received and read all of your previous communications. Their tone is belligerent and lacks civility. Your contempt for Representative Ray is obvious and by their tone we deemed them unworthy of response. R. Mark Lloyd Chief Legislative Assistant Representative Lake Ray Florida House of Representatives, District 12 1615 Huffingham Road Jacksonville, Florida 32216 904.723.5300 Office 904.723.5314 Fax [email protected] |
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Posted: 2/19/2016 4:55:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gotta keep the heat on them. Keep Calling! We can't afford to let attention on this fizzle out. Senator Diaz de la Portilla (850) 487-5040 Senate President Gardiner (850) 487-5013 Call Senator Gardiner's office and ask to speak with him. Tell him to pull the bill to the floor and that it isn't fair the one person(Diaz de la Portilla) can go against the entire House and kill a bill. Urge him to stand with the people of Florida or expect to be voted out of office. |
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Posted: 2/19/2016 5:01:19 PM EDT
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Senator Gardiner is term limited. There is no reelection. He doesn't give a rat's ass.
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Posted: 2/19/2016 5:19:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Senator Gardiner is term limited. There is no reelection. He doesn't give a rat's ass. Oh. Well, I stand corrected. Just yell profanities at him then. |
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Posted: 2/19/2016 8:34:36 PM EDT
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I have gotten increasingly disgusted by Tallahassee and the people there. Like I said in another thread...been there.... but if I was in that district I would vote that scumbag out. You could be sure if a bill that benefited low income hood rats came in he'd be the 1st to get it going. |
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Posted: 2/19/2016 10:22:05 PM EDT
[#49]
I see a "municipal recall" at 100.361 in the Florida statutes. Are state senators subject to this?
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Posted: 2/19/2016 10:40:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I see a "municipal recall" at 100.361 in the Florida statutes. Are state senators subject to this? No. |
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