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Posted: 1/20/2015 7:58:40 PM EDT
[#1]
Nice
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Posted: 1/20/2015 9:22:52 PM EDT
[#2]
Good news.
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Posted: 1/20/2015 9:34:42 PM EDT
[#3]
No good reason why it shouldn't pass.
Lets see what happens. |
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Posted: 1/21/2015 11:54:50 AM EDT
[#4]
Nice.
Heard on the news the other day that it was for students and faculty, but reading the bill it takes the entire section regarding colleges out.
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Posted: 1/21/2015 12:12:21 PM EDT
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I found the preamble interesting:
An act relating to licenses to carry concealed weapons or firearms; amending s. 790.06, F.S.; deleting a provision prohibiting concealed carry licensees from openly carrying a handgun or carrying a concealed weapon or firearm into a college or university facility; providing an effective date.I was hoping there was something in there about 'open carry,' but it appears to be an encompassing phrase.  eta: edit for formatting |
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Posted: 1/23/2015 4:27:56 AM EDT
[#6]
I hope this passes.
They make you pay taxes and jump through hoops to get a permit, but still don't trust you to carry a gun on campus. It's bullshit. |
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Posted: 1/23/2015 8:47:58 AM EDT
[#7]
So if you have a CCW with this bill we could also open carry?
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Posted: 1/23/2015 9:20:56 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So if you have a CCW with this bill we could also open carry? |
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Posted: 1/23/2015 11:11:56 AM EDT
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So this bill will allow non students as well as students with CCWs to carry legally on campuses?
Great, then I could carry legally when I attend the oldies concerts at FAU. 
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Posted: 1/23/2015 2:55:18 PM EDT
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So this bill will allow non students as well as students with CCWs to carry legally on campuses? Great, then I could carry legally when I attend the oldies concerts at FAU. Actually in it's current form, it won't do anything, at all. Removing 790.06(12)(a)(13) does not change the fact that it is unlawful to carry a firearm on the property of any school. 790.115(2)(a) |
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Posted: 1/23/2015 4:20:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually in it's current form, it won't do anything, at all. Removing 790.06(12)(a)(13) does not change the fact that it is unlawful to carry a firearm on the property of any school. 790.115(2)(a) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So this bill will allow non students as well as students with CCWs to carry legally on campuses? Great, then I could carry legally when I attend the oldies concerts at FAU. Actually in it's current form, it won't do anything, at all. Removing 790.06(12)(a)(13) does not change the fact that it is unlawful to carry a firearm on the property of any school. 790.115(2)(a) Incorrect. The rest of 790.06 addresses elementary and secondary schools. This addresses colleges and universities. Two different animals. |
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Posted: 1/23/2015 8:27:18 PM EDT
[#12]
Cool
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Posted: 1/23/2015 9:12:51 PM EDT
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Incorrect. The rest of 790.06 addresses elementary and secondary schools. This addresses colleges and universities. Two different animals. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So this bill will allow non students as well as students with CCWs to carry legally on campuses? Great, then I could carry legally when I attend the oldies concerts at FAU. Actually in it's current form, it won't do anything, at all. Removing 790.06(12)(a)(13) does not change the fact that it is unlawful to carry a firearm on the property of any school. 790.115(2)(a) Incorrect. The rest of 790.06 addresses elementary and secondary schools. This addresses colleges and universities. Two different animals. 
Regardless of changes to 790.06, this statute still makes it unlawful to have a firearm (outside of one securely encased in your car) on the property of any school. 790.115(2)(a) A person shall not possess any firearm, electric weapon or device, destructive device, or other weapon as defined in s. 790.001(13), including a razor blade or box cutter, except as authorized in support of school-sanctioned activities, at a school-sponsored event or on the property of any school, school bus, or school bus stop; however, a person may carry a firearm:
1. In a case to a firearms program, class or function which has been approved in advance by the principal or chief administrative officer of the school as a program or class to which firearms could be carried; 2. In a case to a career center having a firearms training range; or 3. In a vehicle pursuant to s. 790.25(5); except that school districts may adopt written and published policies that waive the exception in this subparagraph for purposes of student and campus parking privileges. For the purposes of this section, “school” means any preschool, elementary school, middle school, junior high school, secondary school, career center, or postsecondary school, whether public or nonpublic. |
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Posted: 1/23/2015 9:26:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Regardless of changes to 790.06, this statute still makes it unlawful to have a firearm (outside of one securely encased in your car) on the property of any school. 790.115(2)(a) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So this bill will allow non students as well as students with CCWs to carry legally on campuses? Great, then I could carry legally when I attend the oldies concerts at FAU. Actually in it's current form, it won't do anything, at all. Removing 790.06(12)(a)(13) does not change the fact that it is unlawful to carry a firearm on the property of any school. 790.115(2)(a) Incorrect. The rest of 790.06 addresses elementary and secondary schools. This addresses colleges and universities. Two different animals. Regardless of changes to 790.06, this statute still makes it unlawful to have a firearm (outside of one securely encased in your car) on the property of any school. 790.115(2)(a) A person shall not possess any firearm, electric weapon or device, destructive device, or other weapon as defined in s. 790.001(13), including a razor blade or box cutter, except as authorized in support of school-sanctioned activities, at a school-sponsored event or on the property of any school, school bus, or school bus stop; however, a person may carry a firearm: 1. In a case to a firearms program, class or function which has been approved in advance by the principal or chief administrative officer of the school as a program or class to which firearms could be carried; 2. In a case to a career center having a firearms training range; or 3. In a vehicle pursuant to s. 790.25(5); except that school districts may adopt written and published policies that waive the exception in this subparagraph for purposes of student and campus parking privileges. For the purposes of this section, "school” means any preschool, elementary school, middle school, junior high school, secondary school, career center, or postsecondary school, whether public or nonpublic. (e) The penalties of this subsection shall not apply to persons licensed under s. 790.06. Persons licensed under s. 790.06 shall be punished as provided in s. 790.06(12), except that a licenseholder who unlawfully discharges a weapon or firearm on school property as prohibited by this subsection commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. That excludes licensees if the bill is passed. |
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Posted: 1/23/2015 9:32:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Look at the entire statute:
(e) The penalties of this subsection shall not apply to persons licensed under s. 790.06. Persons licensed under s. 790.06 shall be punished as provided in s. 790.06(12), except that a licenseholder who unlawfully discharges a weapon or firearm on school property as prohibited by this subsection commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. That excludes licensees if the bill is passed. No, it does not. That simply says that CWFL holder gets charged with a misdemeanor per 790.06(12)(d) instead of a felony. |
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Posted: 1/23/2015 10:26:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, it does not. That simply says that CWFL holder gets charged with a misdemeanor per 790.06(12)(d) instead of a felony. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:Look at the entire statute: (e) The penalties of this subsection shall not apply to persons licensed under s. 790.06. Persons licensed under s. 790.06 shall be punished as provided in s. 790.06(12), except that a licenseholder who unlawfully discharges a weapon or firearm on school property as prohibited by this subsection commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. That excludes licensees if the bill is passed. No, it does not. That simply says that CWFL holder gets charged with a misdemeanor per 790.06(12)(d) instead of a felony. I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. Sorry. The attorneys at Florida Carry and the NRA say it's valid.
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Posted: 1/24/2015 12:56:10 AM EDT
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. Sorry. The attorneys at Florida Carry and the NRA say it's valid. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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(e) The penalties of this subsection shall not apply to persons licensed under s. 790.06. Persons licensed under s. 790.06 shall be punished as provided in s. 790.06(12), except that a licenseholder who unlawfully discharges a weapon or firearm on school property as prohibited by this subsection commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. That excludes licensees if the bill is passed. No, it does not. That simply says that CWFL holder gets charged with a misdemeanor per 790.06(12)(d) instead of a felony. I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. Sorry. The attorneys at Florida Carry and the NRA say it's valid. I'll just say this...Stay tuned. Enlightenment will follow... Sorry to be so cryptic, but it goes with the job. 
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Posted: 1/24/2015 9:53:33 PM EDT
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No, it does not. That simply says that CWFL holder gets charged with a misdemeanor per 790.06(12)(d) instead of a felony. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:Look at the entire statute:
(e) The penalties of this subsection shall not apply to persons licensed under s. 790.06. Persons licensed under s. 790.06 shall be punished as provided in s. 790.06(12), except that a licenseholder who unlawfully discharges a weapon or firearm on school property as prohibited by this subsection commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. That excludes licensees if the bill is passed. No, it does not. That simply says that CWFL holder gets charged with a misdemeanor per 790.06(12)(d) instead of a felony. There is no 790.06(12)(d), I think you are talking about 790.06(15)(d), that is already addressed in Federal law which allows for CCW holders to carry on school grounds if allowed by the state the school happens to be in. Since this bill would delete 790.06(12)(a)(12) that would mean Florida would then allow CCW holders to carry on College and University campuses meaning it would not be a violation of the federal statute and 790.06(15)(d) would not apply. |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 8:44:57 AM EDT
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So, how many people will get "arrested" before this is explained in simple English and understood by the don't-taze-me-bro campus police ??
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Posted: 1/25/2015 9:03:34 AM EDT
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So, how many people will get "arrested" before this is explained in simple English and understood by the don't-taze-me-bro campus police ?? It shouldn't be all that big a deal to put campus police and other involved agencies on notice of the change in law. I imagine they are already following developments as the bills move towards enactment. |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 9:41:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, how many people will get "arrested" before this is explained in simple English and understood by the don't-taze-me-bro campus police ?? |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 3:36:51 PM EDT
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There is no 790.06(12)(d), I think you are talking about 790.06(15)(d), that is already addressed in Federal law which allows for CCW holders to carry on school grounds if allowed by the state the school happens to be in. Since this bill would delete 790.06(12)(a)(12) that would mean Florida would then allow CCW holders to carry on College and University campuses meaning it would not be a violation of the federal statute and 790.06(15)(d) would not apply. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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(e) The penalties of this subsection shall not apply to persons licensed under s. 790.06. Persons licensed under s. 790.06 shall be punished as provided in s. 790.06(12), except that a licenseholder who unlawfully discharges a weapon or firearm on school property as prohibited by this subsection commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. That excludes licensees if the bill is passed. No, it does not. That simply says that CWFL holder gets charged with a misdemeanor per 790.06(12)(d) instead of a felony. There is no 790.06(12)(d), I think you are talking about 790.06(15)(d), that is already addressed in Federal law which allows for CCW holders to carry on school grounds if allowed by the state the school happens to be in. Since this bill would delete 790.06(12)(a)(12) that would mean Florida would then allow CCW holders to carry on College and University campuses meaning it would not be a violation of the federal statute and 790.06(15)(d) would not apply.
There is no 790.06(12)(d) 790.06(12) (a) 1-15: Locations where the CWFL does not authorize the carry of a concealed firearm. (b) A person licensed under this section shall not be prohibited from carrying or storing a firearm in a vehicle for lawful purposes. (c) This section does not modify the terms or conditions of s. 790.251(7). (d) Any person who knowingly and willfully violates any provision of this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. that is already addressed in Federal law which allows for CCW holders to carry on school grounds if allowed by the state the school happens to be in. It does nothing of the kind. It simply exempts those folks from application of the law. It allows nothing! Since this bill would delete 790.06(12)(a)(12) Actually it's 790.06(12)(a)(13)
A change will also be needed to revise 790.115(2)(a) which currently makes it unlawful to carry a rearm onto the property of any school (except those securely encased in a vehicle). |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 3:42:54 PM EDT
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About as easy at a Roll Call meeting with the Shift Sgt saying " Hey, CCW is legal on campus starting Monday. You see someone carry and not acting a fool. Ask to see a CCW and DL. Remember, this is concealed carry only. If they're acting a fool. Take appropriate action." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, how many people will get "arrested" before this is explained in simple English and understood by the don't-taze-me-bro campus police ?? They can ask, but based on the recent Mackey Florida Supreme Court case, unless they have RS of criminal activity irrespective of the firearm, a 'Terry Stop" is not permitted. If they're acting a fool. Take appropriate action. Presumably you mean the LEO has facts that support a RS of criminal activity? |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 4:03:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They can ask, but based on the recent Mackey Florida Supreme Court case, unless they have RS of criminal activity irrespective of the firearm, a 'Terry Stop" is not permitted. If they're acting a fool. Take appropriate action. Presumably you mean the LEO has facts that support a RS of criminal activity? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, how many people will get "arrested" before this is explained in simple English and understood by the don't-taze-me-bro campus police ?? They can ask, but based on the recent Mackey Florida Supreme Court case, unless they have RS of criminal activity irrespective of the firearm, a 'Terry Stop" is not permitted. If they're acting a fool. Take appropriate action. Presumably you mean the LEO has facts that support a RS of criminal activity? Acting a fool could be this....  Mixed in with this...  Typical Disorderly Conduct stuff can be a reason for RS for a Terry Stop. Carrying on campus without a Permit is RS. Trust me... agencies will work that in as will the SAO.
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Posted: 1/25/2015 4:20:07 PM EDT
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Someone is printing or the firearm is somewhat visible. Someone calls and the call is dispatched. RS has been established because you have a concerned citizen. Acting a fool could be this.... http://loungecdn.luckygunner.com/lounge/media/printing-featured.jpg Mixed in with this... http://gamedayrcom.c.presscdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Homophobic-dumbass-protests-outside-on-Missouri-campus.jpg Typical Disorderly Conduct stuff can be a reason for RS for a Terry Stop. Carrying on campus without a Permit is RS. Trust me... agencies will work that in as will the SAO. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, how many people will get "arrested" before this is explained in simple English and understood by the don't-taze-me-bro campus police ?? They can ask, but based on the recent Mackey Florida Supreme Court case, unless they have RS of criminal activity irrespective of the firearm, a 'Terry Stop" is not permitted. If they're acting a fool. Take appropriate action. Presumably you mean the LEO has facts that support a RS of criminal activity? Acting a fool could be this.... http://loungecdn.luckygunner.com/lounge/media/printing-featured.jpg Mixed in with this... http://gamedayrcom.c.presscdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Homophobic-dumbass-protests-outside-on-Missouri-campus.jpg Typical Disorderly Conduct stuff can be a reason for RS for a Terry Stop. Carrying on campus without a Permit is RS. Trust me... agencies will work that in as will the SAO. Nothing you pictured is RS for a terry stop. Just ask the Florida Supreme Court.
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Posted: 1/25/2015 4:59:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing you pictured is RS for a terry stop. Just ask the Florida Supreme Court. I agree |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 8:24:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing you pictured is RS for a terry stop. Just ask the Florida Supreme Court. |
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