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Posted: 9/2/2013 12:09:56 PM EDT
Thanks to the recent EO, this is going to be a hot topic.
Maybe we should have a thread where people indicate if their CLEO will or will not sign. With that in mind, does anyone know if Pasco Sheriff Nocco will sign? I seem to recall Pasco was no, but was that the previous guy? Thanks Hunterex! 
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Posted: 9/2/2013 12:44:49 PM EDT
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I know it is a no-go in Duval.
Not sure about Clay... |
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Posted: 9/2/2013 1:09:36 PM EDT
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No go in Lake county.
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Posted: 9/2/2013 1:14:07 PM EDT
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tacked
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Posted: 9/2/2013 1:41:03 PM EDT
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Does anyone know, at this point, what this EO really means for existing trusts?
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Posted: 9/2/2013 3:58:47 PM EDT
[#5]
As I understand it this is not an EO but a changing of the 'rules' by ATF.
Also as I "understand" there is currently no change to existing trusts but, I wouldn't doubt that a year or two down the road all legal entities will need come into compliance with the new rules. I also expect prices to drop and or plummet sooner than later. Hope I'm wrong.  just my .02¢ / YMMV / Etc, etc... |
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Posted: 9/2/2013 5:33:24 PM EDT
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Absolutely no idea but my guess is a no go in Martin.
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Posted: 9/2/2013 8:46:36 PM EDT
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It's a no-go in Orange County. I requested before I went the trust route.
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Posted: 9/2/2013 8:52:45 PM EDT
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I could have sworn that someone (maybe slug-o) posted up a pic of Rutherford's signature on a form 1 from here in Duval. I remember something about him only signing for sbr's but not suppressors.
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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:58:45 AM EDT
[#9]
Osceola sheriff will sign
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Posted: 9/3/2013 2:50:13 AM EDT
[#10]
Sheriff Snyder in Martin County WILL sign off. Picked up my 5320.1 for my SBR this past Friday. He told me personally during his bid for office he had no problem with suppressors either. Of course YMMV.
Edited for clarity. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 11:24:54 AM EDT
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No CLEO sign off in Palm Beach County.
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Posted: 9/3/2013 1:24:26 PM EDT
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The dickhead Gualiteiri in Pinellas County won't sign. Don't know about any of the police chiefs as I am in unincorporated Pinellas. Maybe we should just have people respond based on who will sign as Osprey alluded to.
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Posted: 9/3/2013 2:08:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The dickhead Gualiteiri in Pinellas County won't sign. Don't know about any of the police chiefs as I am in unincorporated Pinellas. Maybe we should just have people respond based on who will sign as Osprey alluded to. I wonder if Bernie McCabe will, or if there are any local judges who would do it? I'm in the same boat as you.
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Posted: 9/3/2013 2:41:58 PM EDT
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As I understand it this is not an EO but a changing of the 'rules' by ATF. Also as I "understand" there is currently no change to existing trusts but, I wouldn't doubt that a year or two down the road all legal entities will need come into compliance with the new rules. I also expect prices to drop and or plummet sooner than later. Hope I'm wrong.
just my .02¢ / YMMV / Etc, etc... The way it was explained to me, and I could be wrong, trusts are going to need to be signed off also soon. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 3:21:19 PM EDT
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The way it was explained to me, and I could be wrong, trusts are going to need to be signed off also soon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As I understand it this is not an EO but a changing of the 'rules' by ATF. Also as I "understand" there is currently no change to existing trusts but, I wouldn't doubt that a year or two down the road all legal entities will need come into compliance with the new rules. I also expect prices to drop and or plummet sooner than later. Hope I'm wrong.
just my .02¢ / YMMV / Etc, etc... The way it was explained to me, and I could be wrong, trusts are going to need to be signed off also soon. Correct, this EO is exclusive in place to force signature on Trust. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 3:26:50 PM EDT
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I was under the impression sheriff Rutherford in Duval would sign for sbr and sbs but not for suppressors.
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Posted: 9/3/2013 7:30:19 PM EDT
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Okaloosa is a go.
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Posted: 9/3/2013 7:51:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct, this EO is exclusive in place to force signature on Trust. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: As I understand it this is not an EO but a changing of the 'rules' by ATF. Also as I "understand" there is currently no change to existing trusts but, I wouldn't doubt that a year or two down the road all legal entities will need come into compliance with the new rules. I also expect prices to drop and or plummet sooner than later. Hope I'm wrong. just my .02¢ / YMMV / Etc, etc... The way it was explained to me, and I could be wrong, trusts are going to need to be signed off also soon. Correct, this EO is exclusive in place to force signature on Trust. Corporations as well. |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 8:15:46 PM EDT
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Judd in Polk is touch and go - sometimes he will, sometimes he won't. I know many people that went the Trust route because they were refused.
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Posted: 9/3/2013 8:50:05 PM EDT
[#20]
Then trusts will be essentially useless.
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Posted: 9/3/2013 11:06:43 PM EDT
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Hillsborough is a no-go........
Pasco used to be.....till just before I moved from Odessa across the county line into Land O Lakes......now it's a no-go too....... |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 11:11:53 PM EDT
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Hillsborough is a no-go........ Pasco used to be.....till just before I moved from Odessa across the county line into Land O Lakes......now it's a no-go too....... Gee won't sign off? |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 11:17:04 PM EDT
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I thought that the purpose of the sign-off was to state that the item is legal to own.....
Not to ask permission...... If these Sheriffs can not do their job and support their voters, then the voters need to vote them out! Red 
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Posted: 9/3/2013 11:41:14 PM EDT
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I thought that the purpose of the sign-off was to state that the item is legal to own..... Not to ask permission...... If these Sheriffs can not do their job and support their voters, then the voters need to vote them out! Red Well that is the purpose. It becomes permission because they HAVE to give an answer for the process to proceed. In ancient days of yore the sheriff likely did have some insight into the goings on and character of most of the people in their jurisdictions and there was no centralized repository of data on people's past. They were the go-to source as to the character of the people living around them. Those days are long gone and this antiquated attitude about their knowledge is being used to beat on us. The way they keep their jobs is the other party always seems to find someone less palatable. I'm not a Nocco fan. His campaign against the spice sellers seems a massive waste of resources since it's a county prohibition, not even state or federal. It also seems to say there's no real drugs to chase around here anymore. Add on the cops don't look like cops anymore. OD green coveralls just don't say "cop" to me. But that's WAAAAAAY off topic. And I started this topic. |
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Posted: 9/4/2013 12:20:07 AM EDT
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Put simply... There are millions of dollars that have spleen spent on trusts and collections by law abiding citizens over the years in the Tampa area. I for one intend to continue to spend... If not on NFA... Then I'll spend on lawyers and lobbiests to bend over police chiefs and sheriffs that don't sign. It only takes a few hundred of us to make political life difficult via mayor offices and sheriff campaigns.
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Posted: 9/4/2013 1:24:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then trusts will be essentially useless. Going forward, correct. It'll soon be a matter of the NFA stuff you already have on a trust will be the last of it....be grateful for getting in while you could. Anyone who didn't get NFA stuff before this goes through will be SOL....as CLEO sign off is rare in most places.
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Posted: 9/4/2013 7:59:10 AM EDT
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Going forward, correct. It'll soon be a matter of the NFA stuff you already have on a trust will be the last of it....be grateful for getting in while you could. Anyone who didn't get NFA stuff before this goes through will be SOL....as CLEO sign off is rare in most places. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Then trusts will be essentially useless. Going forward, correct. It'll soon be a matter of the NFA stuff you already have on a trust will be the last of it....be grateful for getting in while you could. Anyone who didn't get NFA stuff before this goes through will be SOL....as CLEO sign off is rare in most places. when will this kick in? I may need to get a couple silencers if I still have time. |
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Posted: 9/4/2013 10:03:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Going forward, correct. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Then trusts will be essentially useless. Going forward, correct. It'll soon be a matter of the NFA stuff you already have on a trust will be the last of it....be grateful for getting in while you could. Anyone who didn't get NFA stuff before this goes through will be SOL....as CLEO sign off is rare in most places. I was thinking this was retroactive? |
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Posted: 9/4/2013 12:20:02 PM EDT
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Does anyone have any idea about Wayne Ivey in Brevard?
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Posted: 9/4/2013 12:44:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Then trusts will be essentially useless. Going forward, correct. It'll soon be a matter of the NFA stuff you already have on a trust will be the last of it....be grateful for getting in while you could. Anyone who didn't get NFA stuff before this goes through will be SOL....as CLEO sign off is rare in most places. I was thinking this was retroactive? Bassed on what? DOJ/NFA stamps that have already been issued and have satisfied the requirements at the time of submission/approval. Requirements satisfied, stamp issued. To retroactively require CLEO sign off would essentially mean confescation as CLEO sign off is simply not an option for most people. I don't see retroactive CLEO sign off as being a condition. |
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Posted: 9/4/2013 1:30:04 PM EDT
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Will a sign off then restrict you to processing those NFA items only in that county now?
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Posted: 9/4/2013 6:04:12 PM EDT
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Put simply... There are millions of dollars that have spleen spent on trusts and collections by law abiding citizens over the years in the Tampa area. I for one intend to continue to spend... If not on NFA... Then I'll spend on lawyers and lobbiests to bend over police chiefs and sheriffs that don't sign. It only takes a few hundred of us to make political life difficult via mayor offices and sheriff campaigns. I like the cut of your jib, sir. |
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Posted: 9/4/2013 6:28:58 PM EDT
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Then trusts will be essentially useless. |
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Posted: 9/4/2013 6:30:45 PM EDT
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Judd in Polk is touch and go - sometimes he will, sometimes he won't. I know many people that went the Trust route because they were refused. I was wondering about him. Just have to dress up nice, like you're going to church, and have a camera rolling. I bet he'll sign. |
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Posted: 9/4/2013 7:12:30 PM EDT
[#35]
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Sheriff Snyder in Martin County WILL sign off. Picked up my 5320.1 for my SBR this past Friday. He told me personally during his bid for office he had no problem with suppressors either. Of course YMMV. Edited for clarity. That's great news. |
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Posted: 9/4/2013 7:50:35 PM EDT
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From what I understand, neither steube in manatee or knight in sarasota will sign for sbr as they claim they don't understand why anyone needs one, not sure where they stand on suppressors.
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Posted: 9/4/2013 7:54:10 PM EDT
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From what I understand, neither steube in manatee or knight in sarasota will sign for sbr as they claim they don't understand why anyone needs one, not sure where they stand on suppressors. Nothing gets signed off on in Manatee or Sarasota. |
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Posted: 9/4/2013 8:08:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing gets signed off on in Manatee or Sarasota. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: From what I understand, neither steube in manatee or knight in sarasota will sign for sbr as they claim they don't understand why anyone needs one, not sure where they stand on suppressors. Nothing gets signed off on in Manatee or Sarasota. Politicians of a feather... |
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Posted: 9/4/2013 8:43:18 PM EDT
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Do the forms need to be signed by the CLEO in the county we live in or can we go to any CLEO?
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Posted: 9/4/2013 9:10:52 PM EDT
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Is there an effective date upon which NFA trusts will require LEO signatures?
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Posted: 9/4/2013 10:17:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Do the forms need to be signed by the CLEO in the county we live in or can we go to any CLEO? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Do the forms need to be signed by the CLEO in the county we live in or can we go to any CLEO? Q: What law enforcement officials’ certifications on an application to transfer or make an NFA weapon are acceptable to ATF?
As provided by regulations, certifications by the local chief of police, sheriff of the county, head of the State police, or State or local district attorney or prosecutor are acceptable. The regulations also provide that certifications of other officials are appropriate if found in a particular case to be acceptable to the Director. Examples of other officials who have been accepted in specific situations include State attorneys general and judges of State courts having authority to conduct jury trials in felony cases. [27 CFR 479.63 and 479.85] |
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Posted: 9/5/2013 12:16:28 AM EDT
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If I remember correctly, St. John's county will only sign off on machine guns. They just don't want to be inundated with applications.
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Posted: 9/5/2013 8:45:16 AM EDT
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I heard Sheriff Darnell in Alachua County is signing these days. Can't confirm it for sure, but that's what I heard. Cervone will sign if you ask nicely.
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Posted: 9/5/2013 9:23:42 AM EDT
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Any news of Lee County?
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Posted: 9/5/2013 10:28:31 PM EDT
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Any word on Hernando County- Al Nienhuis?
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Posted: 9/5/2013 10:39:55 PM EDT
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How about Volusia?
Does it have to be someone located in the same county you reside? |
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Posted: 9/6/2013 12:42:01 AM EDT
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You won't have to keep the stuff locked away from you wife. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Then trusts will be essentially useless. That's not an issue. I just keep it with my porn. |
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Posted: 9/6/2013 4:03:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How about Volusia? Does it have to be someone located in the same county you reside? Yes. |
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Posted: 9/6/2013 9:00:32 AM EDT
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It sounds like we all have to pitch in together, and buy a house in Osceola Co. HOMETOWN FLORIDA HQ.
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Posted: 9/6/2013 12:26:46 PM EDT
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How about Volusia? Does it have to be someone located in the same county you reside? Haven't personally tried it, but Volusia county is a no go. Ben Johnson has never been willing to sign |
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