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Link Posted: 12/26/2015 10:27:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/26/2015 10:37:00 AM EDT by Miami02TJ]
Originally Posted By DVCER:
I'm trying to get a shotgun transfered to me here in FL. CO resident, FL property owner. The FFL in FL is telling me they can not do a transfer to a CO resident, the FL shop is going off a document from the NSSF.....should I just try some other FFL in FL/Tampa bay area?
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FFL transfers are required when you are shipping a firearm between two individuals in two different states. If you are shipping the shotgun to yourself in another state, all you need to do is pack it up and take it to the post office (assuming it's legal to possess in the destination state).

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-nonlicensee-ship-firearms-interstate-his-or-her-use-hunting-or-other-lawful-activity
Link Posted: 12/26/2015 11:03:00 AM EDT
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FFL transfers are required when you are shipping a firearm between two individuals in two different states. If you are shipping the shotgun to yourself in another state, all you need to do is pack it up and take it to the post office (assuming it's legal to possess in the destination state).

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-nonlicensee-ship-firearms-interstate-his-or-her-use-hunting-or-other-lawful-activity
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Originally Posted By Miami02TJ:
Originally Posted By DVCER:
I'm trying to get a shotgun transfered to me here in FL. CO resident, FL property owner. The FFL in FL is telling me they can not do a transfer to a CO resident, the FL shop is going off a document from the NSSF.....should I just try some other FFL in FL/Tampa bay area?


FFL transfers are required when you are shipping a firearm between two individuals in two different states. If you are shipping the shotgun to yourself in another state, all you need to do is pack it up and take it to the post office (assuming it's legal to possess in the destination state).

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-nonlicensee-ship-firearms-interstate-his-or-her-use-hunting-or-other-lawful-activity


I should have brought one with me, but I didn't. I was looking to buy one off the web and have it delivered to the local ffl in Tampa Thankfully I did not buy first and find this out later
Link Posted: 12/28/2015 12:40:05 AM EDT
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I should have brought one with me, but I didn't. I was looking to buy one off the web and have it delivered to the local ffl in Tampa Thankfully I did not buy first and find this out later
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Originally Posted By DVCER:

Originally Posted By DVCER:
I'm trying to get a shotgun transfered to me here in FL. CO resident, FL property owner. The FFL in FL is telling me they can not do a transfer to a CO resident, the FL shop is going off a document from the NSSF.....should I just try some other FFL in FL/Tampa bay area?


I should have brought one with me, but I didn't. I was looking to buy one off the web and have it delivered to the local ffl in Tampa Thankfully I did not buy first and find this out later


Perfectly, 100% legal. Find a different FFL.

Long guns can be transferred by an FFL in any state to a resident of any state (baring any state laws prohibiting this - there might be a couple, but Florida is not one of them) as long as the FFL follows the laws of both states involved: In your case CO and FL.

Now I have to asked what exactly you mean by "FL property owner"? Is it vacant land or income property or do you actually live (making a home in ATF language) here while in Florida. If it's the latter, then your are a resident of Florida for Firearms purchases are concerned.

All you need to do is show your CO DL as an ID document and some government document (property tax bill) as proof of residence.

https://www.atf.gov/file/55496/download

But in answer to your question, yes you need to find a FFL that understand the law and is willing to do this type of transfer - many don't because they have to be aware of the law of the other state and some just don't want to be bothered.

If the FFL is saying it's illegal, he is ignorant and should be shunned.
Link Posted: 12/28/2015 2:30:46 AM EDT
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Perfectly, 100% legal. Find a different FFL.

Long guns can be transferred by an FFL in any state to a resident of any state (baring any state laws prohibiting this - there might be a couple, but Florida is not one of them) as long as the FFL follows the laws of both states involved: In your case CO and FL.

Now I have to asked what exactly you mean by "FL property owner"? Is it vacant land or income property or do you actually live (making a home in ATF language) here while in Florida. If it's the latter, then your are a resident of Florida for Firearms purchases are concerned.

All you need to do is show your CO DL as an ID document and some government document (property tax bill) as proof of residence.

https://www.atf.gov/file/55496/download

But in answer to your question, yes you need to find a FFL that understand the law and is willing to do this type of transfer - many don't because they have to be aware of the law of the other state and some just don't want to be bothered.

If the FFL is saying it's illegal, he is ignorant and should be shunned.
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Originally Posted By DVCER:

Originally Posted By DVCER:
I'm trying to get a shotgun transfered to me here in FL. CO resident, FL property owner. The FFL in FL is telling me they can not do a transfer to a CO resident, the FL shop is going off a document from the NSSF.....should I just try some other FFL in FL/Tampa bay area?


I should have brought one with me, but I didn't. I was looking to buy one off the web and have it delivered to the local ffl in Tampa Thankfully I did not buy first and find this out later


Perfectly, 100% legal. Find a different FFL.

Long guns can be transferred by an FFL in any state to a resident of any state (baring any state laws prohibiting this - there might be a couple, but Florida is not one of them) as long as the FFL follows the laws of both states involved: In your case CO and FL.

Now I have to asked what exactly you mean by "FL property owner"? Is it vacant land or income property or do you actually live (making a home in ATF language) here while in Florida. If it's the latter, then your are a resident of Florida for Firearms purchases are concerned.

All you need to do is show your CO DL as an ID document and some government document (property tax bill) as proof of residence.

https://www.atf.gov/file/55496/download

But in answer to your question, yes you need to find a FFL that understand the law and is willing to do this type of transfer - many don't because they have to be aware of the law of the other state and some just don't want to be bothered.

If the FFL is saying it's illegal, he is ignorant and should be shunned.


He doesn't need an ffl for what he wants to do. He can just ship it to himself in the destination state and avoid this headache entirely. See my post above.
Link Posted: 12/28/2015 8:52:53 AM EDT
Thanks guys, I'm a snowbear stuck in my place on upper tampa bay for the winter, I just didn't bring any long guns this trip. I will dig deeper into this, but prolly try another ffl. If I can get a pic of the document the FFL refusing to do my transfer has, I'll put it up here for reference.
I usually bring a rifle and mags just for the 2400 mile trip, IDK why in the hell I did not do it this year.

Thanks again, have a prosperous new year.
Link Posted: 12/28/2015 9:48:34 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By DVCER:
Thanks guys, I'm a snowbear stuck in my place on upper tampa bay for the winter, I just didn't bring any long guns this trip. I will dig deeper into this, but prolly try another ffl. If I can get a pic of the document the FFL refusing to do my transfer has, I'll put it up here for reference.
I usually bring a rifle and mags just for the 2400 mile trip, IDK why in the hell I did not do it this year.

Thanks again, have a prosperous new year.
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Obviously you can go whatever route you want. But, I don't understand why you would get an FFL involved when you do not need to. Federal law clearly states you can ship the rifle to yourself interstate. No need for an FFL if you ship it to yourself even interstate.

On a very related note, US Postal Service regulations also allow you to ship it to yourself interstate. They are the only carrier that will do this.

https://about.usps.com/postal-bulletin/2011/pb22321/html/updt_001.htm
Link Posted: 12/28/2015 11:36:43 AM EDT
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Obviously you can go whatever route you want. But, I don't understand why you would get an FFL involved when you do not need to. Federal law clearly states you can ship the rifle to yourself interstate. No need for an FFL if you ship it to yourself even interstate.

On a very related note, US Postal Service regulations also allow you to ship it to yourself interstate. They are the only carrier that will do this.



https://about.usps.com/postal-

bulletin/2011/pb22321/html/updt_001.htm
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Originally Posted By Miami02TJ:
Originally Posted By DVCER:
Thanks guys, I'm a snowbear stuck in my place on upper tampa bay for the winter, I just didn't bring any long guns this trip. I will dig deeper into this, but prolly try another ffl. If I can get a pic of the document the FFL refusing to do my transfer has, I'll put it up here for reference.
I usually bring a rifle and mags just for the 2400 mile trip, IDK why in the hell I did not do it this year.

Thanks again, have a prosperous new year.


Obviously you can go whatever route you want. But, I don't understand why you would get an FFL involved when you do not need to. Federal law clearly states you can ship the rifle to yourself interstate. No need for an FFL if you ship it to yourself even interstate.

On a very related note, US Postal Service regulations also allow you to ship it to yourself interstate. They are the only carrier that will do this.



https://about.usps.com/postal-

bulletin/2011/pb22321/html/updt_001.htm


I'm wanting to buy the shotty while I am in FL. The FFL in FL is just being overly cautious I'm sure.
Link Posted: 12/28/2015 1:32:26 PM EDT
Gotcha. I thought you were looking at bringing your shotgun down.
Link Posted: 3/13/2016 8:01:25 PM EDT
theres nothing stopping me from starting the FL CHL/CWP process before I move there is there? looks like I can do everything by mail. or should I wait until I move there and just go to the office? I have a valid SC CWP until the FL is approved.
Link Posted: 3/13/2016 11:10:07 PM EDT
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theres nothing stopping me from starting the FL CHL/CWP process before I move there is there? looks like I can do everything by mail. or should I wait until I move there and just go to the office? I have a valid SC CWP until the FL is approved.
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Either option will work for you. It's just your preference.
Link Posted: 5/8/2016 8:26:42 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Miami02TJ:

Either option will work for you. It's just your preference.
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Originally Posted By Miami02TJ:
Originally Posted By IHTFP08:
theres nothing stopping me from starting the FL CHL/CWP process before I move there is there? looks like I can do everything by mail. or should I wait until I move there and just go to the office? I have a valid SC CWP until the FL is approved.

Either option will work for you. It's just your preference.


Here now, my appt is Tuesday. How long do they usually take?

Also, the cwp will allow me to purchase guns in this state without getting the Seperate state ID? Or does the cwp go in tandem with a state Id/DL?

Not getting a fl DL due to being in military. And my orders are to Ga but living in Florida
Link Posted: 5/8/2016 2:12:19 PM EDT
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Here now, my appt is Tuesday. How long do they usually take?

Also, the cwp will allow me to purchase guns in this state without getting the Seperate state ID? Or does the cwp go in tandem with a state Id/DL?

Not getting a fl DL due to being in military. And my orders are to Ga but living in Florida
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Originally Posted By Miami02TJ:
Originally Posted By IHTFP08:
theres nothing stopping me from starting the FL CHL/CWP process before I move there is there? looks like I can do everything by mail. or should I wait until I move there and just go to the office? I have a valid SC CWP until the FL is approved.

Either option will work for you. It's just your preference.


Here now, my appt is Tuesday. How long do they usually take?

Also, the cwp will allow me to purchase guns in this state without getting the Seperate state ID? Or does the cwp go in tandem with a state Id/DL?

Not getting a fl DL due to being in military. And my orders are to Ga but living in Florida


I'm told they are taking 2-3 weeks. Not sure about firearm purchasing. Best bet is to ask your local fun shop.
Link Posted: 5/8/2016 2:27:33 PM EDT
Ok good. Ct was taking 6+ months
Link Posted: 5/29/2016 9:08:51 AM EDT
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Carrying in Indian Casinos?

It's legal subject to the laws of the State of Florida which treat Indian owned casinos the same as any other business in the state.

In Florida, none of that "sovereign nation", "they have their own laws" nonsense applies.

While the Indian Reservations have their own tribal police, which have jurisdiction on and off of the reservation, they do not have their own court system and are subject to the laws of The State of Florida in civil and criminal matters.


"285.16Civil and criminal jurisdiction; Indian reservation.

(1)The State of Florida hereby assumes jurisdiction over criminal offenses committed by or against Indians or other persons within Indian reservations and over civil causes of actions between Indians or other persons or to which Indians or other persons are parties rising within Indian reservations.

(2)The civil and criminal laws of Florida shall obtain on all Indian reservations in this state and shall be enforced in the same manner as elsewhere throughout the state."
Link Posted: 5/29/2016 9:41:54 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By America-first:
Carrying in Indian Casinos?

It's legal subject to the laws of the State of Florida which treat Indian owned casinos the same as any other business in the state.

In Florida, none of that "sovereign nation", "they have their own laws" nonsense applies.

While the Indian Reservations have their own tribal police, which have jurisdiction on and off of the reservation, they do not have their own court system and are subject to the laws of The State of Florida in civil and criminal matters.


"285.16Civil and criminal jurisdiction; Indian reservation.

(1)The State of Florida hereby assumes jurisdiction over criminal offenses committed by or against Indians or other persons within Indian reservations and over civil causes of actions between Indians or other persons or to which Indians or other persons are parties rising within Indian reservations.

(2)The civil and criminal laws of Florida shall obtain on all Indian reservations in this state and shall be enforced in the same manner as elsewhere throughout the state."
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The problem is the state law conflicts directly with federal law which precedes it. This fight has been going on in this state for quite some time.

I know for a fact, that the Miccosukee police department does see Indian Land as federal land. one step further, I have several documented cases of Law Enforcement Officers being arrested for carrying on the casino.
Link Posted: 5/29/2016 3:54:58 PM EDT
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The problem is the state law conflicts directly with federal law which precedes it. This fight has been going on in this state for quite some time.

I know for a fact, that the Miccosukee police department does see Indian Land as federal land. one step further, I have several documented cases of Law Enforcement Officers being arrested for carrying on the casino.
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Originally Posted By America-first:
Carrying in Indian Casinos?

It's legal subject to the laws of the State of Florida which treat Indian owned casinos the same as any other business in the state.

In Florida, none of that "sovereign nation", "they have their own laws" nonsense applies.

While the Indian Reservations have their own tribal police, which have jurisdiction on and off of the reservation, they do not have their own court system and are subject to the laws of The State of Florida in civil and criminal matters.


"285.16Civil and criminal jurisdiction; Indian reservation.

(1)The State of Florida hereby assumes jurisdiction over criminal offenses committed by or against Indians or other persons within Indian reservations and over civil causes of actions between Indians or other persons or to which Indians or other persons are parties rising within Indian reservations.

(2)The civil and criminal laws of Florida shall obtain on all Indian reservations in this state and shall be enforced in the same manner as elsewhere throughout the state."



The problem is the state law conflicts directly with federal law which precedes it. This fight has been going on in this state for quite some time.

I know for a fact, that the Miccosukee police department does see Indian Land as federal land. one step further, I have several documented cases of Law Enforcement Officers being arrested for carrying on the casino.


The casino is simply another business located in the State of Florida; I just returned from the Semnole Hard Rock Casino a few minutes ago.

There is one exception granted to the Indian Casinos; if an individual is injured on the property, the maximum for which a single individual can sue for his injuries is $200,000 and the aggregate for any single occurrence is $300,000 unless the tribe itself agrees to be liable for higher damages.

But it's not illegal for a licensee to carry a CCW in Indian Casinos in The State of Florida, except of course in any casino sports venue while a professional athletic event is taking place, or in any of the several bar areas.



BTW: there were some unsavory characters wandering around on the property outside the casino building and I didn't see a single tribal police officer other than one at the street leve entrance to the parking lot.

I suppose Floridians with CCWs who are fequenting the casinos while carrying large amounts of cash, or who may be presumed to be carrying cash by criminals, would be carrying at the casino.

I also believe that the Casio management isn't stupid and understands this as well, which likely accounts for the fact that there aren't any "No Firearms Allowed" signs posted outside the entrances to the property including the entrances to the parking lots, elevators, the casino and such.

There is an inconspicuous sign with small print on a post somewhere on one of the walkways that says among a litany of other things, "no weapons allowed including pocket knives...........no skate boards, roller blades........"

And there's a "security policy" sign inside the casino that mentions "no fireworks, knives, tear gas, firearms.....or anything else that poses a danger t the casino employees or guests......blah blah blah..may result in trespass."


If I were to legally carry at the Seminole Hard Rock Casino myself, I would choose to pocket carry a M&P 9c in a Desantis Nemisis for deep concealment rather than my usual P220 Carry IWB.


Here, in its entirety, is the law, which as noted within, is in accordance with federal law:

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0200-0299/0285/0285.html
Link Posted: 7/3/2016 12:23:07 AM EDT
In for the excellent analysis
Link Posted: 7/6/2016 9:41:59 AM EDT
Private face to face sales in The State of Florida:





Florida has no state law requiring a background check for a Private Firearm Sale In Florida or on the purchaser of a firearm when the seller is not a licensed dealer.

However, the Florida Constitution permits counties to adopt laws that would require such background checks for sales occurring in or on “property to which the public has the right of access” within the county.



Article Vlll Section 5(b) of The Florida Constitution states that, “each county shall have the authority to require a criminal history records check…in connection with the sale of any firearm occurring within such county.

"1 The term “sale” under this section “means the transfer of money or other valuable consideration for any firearm when any part of the transaction is conducted on property to which the public has the right of access.”


2 Concealed weapons permit holders are not subject to these laws



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Palm Beach County, for one, requires background checks for private sales made to non CCW holders "on property to which the public has the right of access" so in PBC it's smart to request to see your customer's Concealed Firearms and Weapons License if you're conducting the sale at a gun show, or in the parking lot behind Publix.

It's best to know the law in the particular county where you intend to conduct a private face to face sale.


Fla. Const. art. VIII, § 5(b)


SECTION 5. Local option.—


(a) Local option on the legality or prohibition of the sale of intoxicating liquors, wines or beers shall be preserved to each county. The status of a county with respect thereto shall be changed only by vote of the electors in a special election called upon the petition of twenty-five per cent of the electors of the county, and not sooner than two years after an earlier election on the same question. Where legal, the sale of intoxicating liquors, wines and beers shall be regulated by law.

(b) Each county shall have the authority to require a criminal history records check and a 3 to 5-day waiting period, excluding weekends and legal holidays, in connection with the sale of any firearm occurring within such county. For purposes of this subsection, the term “sale” means the transfer of money or other valuable consideration for any firearm when any part of the transaction is conducted on property to which the public has the right of access. Holders of a concealed weapons permit as prescribed by general law shall not be subject to the provisions of this subsection when purchasing a firearm.


History.—Am. proposed by Constitution Revision Commission, Revision No. 12, 1998, filed with the Secretary of State May 5, 1998; adopted 1998.




Link to the Florida State Constitution:

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?submenu=3#A8
Link Posted: 8/23/2016 1:29:31 AM EDT
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Great write up, this is a great asset to have. The part about disney and universal should be editted. Disney now uses metal detectors ramdomly and universal has airport style security with metal detectors and xray machines.
Link Posted: 10/17/2016 3:18:19 PM EDT
Heads up for those who have applied for their license trying to check the status of their license today, the website is going up and down and the traffic calling in and trying to reach folks through the live chat are incredibly long. My sister sat on hold on the live chat for one hour before closing it.
Link Posted: 1/29/2017 12:53:22 PM EDT
Things have been quiet on this thread for a while, but I think this is where my question belongs, so here goes:

I live in Ohio and have an Ohio CCW permit.

I recently bought a second home in Florida which will be a vacation home at least for now. Ohio will continue to be my primary residence and I will continue to work from Ohio. I'm guessing that I'll spend a couple of months tops in Florida until I retire in a few years. For what it's worth other family members (wife & grown kids) will be in and out of the Florida home.

1 - What are my options right now in terms of purchasing a handgun in Florida? Does owning a home in Florida affect what would otherwise be a prohibited transaction?

2 - CCW permits - Florida has reciprocity with Ohio. Is there any reason to get a Florida permit?

3 - I don't see any benefit to becoming a Florida resident (except possibly homestead) and don't even think I could qualify.

4 - Anything else to consider?

Thanks, I skimmed this thread and didn't see any of this covered.
Link Posted: 3/14/2017 4:17:44 PM EDT
Here's one I can't figure out, and the FAQs don't clearly address:

Fla. Stat. s. 790.115(2)(a)(3) prohibits firearms in vehicles on school campuses if the district adopts a policy that prohibits them.

Fla. Stat. s. 790.06(12)(b) says a "licensed [concealed carry permit holder] . . . shall not be prohibited from carrying or storing a firearm in a vehicle for lawful purposes."

So, let's assume we're dealing with a middle school that has a policy against guns in cars parked on the campus. Does s. 790.06(12)(b) override the policy and allow a CCW holder to keep a gun in a vehicle parked on campus?
Link Posted: 3/18/2017 1:12:19 PM EDT
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For those wanting to get your CCW and are wondering how long it takes.

As of 3/18/17 it took me 1 week. I filed for my license on Thursday the 9th, and it was issued on Friday the 17th. So 8 days.

Now I can't say you will, for sure, get yours back as fast as mine. I used the LEO letter that qualifies me per my training. I called and had the letter printed up. Took it and my DL down to the court house, we have expedited electronic delivery.

So, good news for me! License should be here in the mail in a few days!!
Link Posted: 3/22/2017 9:06:31 AM EDT
My local library (Seminole in Pinellas Cty) is on a college campus and shared with that college (St. Pete College). I am not a student or employee of the college. Am I correct that concealed-carrying my firearm is forbidden there by operation of state law?
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