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Posted: 5/25/2016 2:11:27 PM EDT
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Assuming you are talking about the HK Parts made "match" trigger. I don't know anyone who has one to know what it is like. I don't mind the regular trigger groups I use, then again I make up some 922r parts with all my trigger packs so switching to a mostly German "match" trigger is not really in the cards for me.
I myself would buy more mags. Mags mags mags. Because if there is going to be another crazytime frolics panic before or after the election I guarantee you that match trigger pack will still be on Adam's shelf but the mags won't be. |
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Posted: 5/25/2016 2:21:38 PM EDT
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Assuming you are talking about the HK Parts made "match" trigger. I don't know anyone who has one to know what it is like. I don't mind the regular trigger groups I use, then again I make up some 922r parts with all my trigger packs so switching to a mostly German "match" trigger is not really in the cards for me. I myself would buy more mags. Mags mags mags. Because if there is going to be another crazytime frolics panic before or after the election I guarantee you that match trigger pack will still be on Adam's shelf but the mags won't be. Kinda how I feel about it too. The Korean ones will run fine correct? Ive got 1 US made mag that works fine and 2 germans at the moment. I can pick up 3 Koreans for the price of one german |
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Posted: 5/25/2016 2:31:56 PM EDT
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I don't own any Korean mags myself but I have heard that the NEW iterations of them are pretty good, the previous iterations I've always heard mixed results.
Most of my mags are US and German, both of various generations. I usually go by the chrome follower... if it has a chrome follower it is usually pretty good in my experience. |
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Posted: 5/25/2016 2:36:23 PM EDT
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I don't own any Korean mags myself but I have heard that the NEW iterations of them are pretty good, the previous iterations I've always heard mixed results. Most of my mags are US and German, both of various generations. I usually go by the chrome follower... if it has a chrome follower it is usually pretty good in my experience. Good enough. Another 1K of ammo, more mags, and possibly the correct rear sight it is then 
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Posted: 5/25/2016 9:36:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/26/2016 8:59:50 AM EDT
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Quote History+1 This sear spring makes a world of difference. It's the only "Match" trigger mod needed for most uses. |
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Posted: 5/26/2016 1:57:24 PM EDT
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+1 This sear spring makes a world of difference. It's the only "Match" trigger mod needed for most uses. Quote HistoryQuoted:
+1 This sear spring makes a world of difference. It's the only "Match" trigger mod needed for most uses. Absolutely! I got the one from RTG and it's a dream. Haven't tried the one from HKParts. |
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Posted: 5/26/2016 6:47:53 PM EDT
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I wouldnt put one in an MP5 or K clone. If you are shooting a G3 style or SG1 they make a lot of difference. The one HKparts sells is done by Bill Springfield and it is very good.
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Posted: 5/28/2016 8:13:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Absolutely! I got the one from RTG and it's a dream. Haven't tried the one from HKParts. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: +1 This sear spring makes a world of difference. It's the only "Match" trigger mod needed for most uses. Absolutely! I got the one from RTG and it's a dream. Haven't tried the one from HKParts. So what is the tradeoff with using the match sear spring/spacer? Or is this truly a free lunch? And why didn't you guys tell me to get one until after I just placed an order with HKParts?  |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 9:07:43 PM EDT
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So what is the tradeoff with using the match sear spring/spacer? Or is this truly a free lunch? And why didn't you guys tell me to get one until after I just placed an order with HKParts?
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+1 This sear spring makes a world of difference. It's the only "Match" trigger mod needed for most uses. Absolutely! I got the one from RTG and it's a dream. Haven't tried the one from HKParts. So what is the tradeoff with using the match sear spring/spacer? Or is this truly a free lunch? And why didn't you guys tell me to get one until after I just placed an order with HKParts?
It's a free lunch as far as I can tell. And I swore I told you to buy one of these...I guess not. Just wait until your next order with $30 shipping from HKParts.
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Posted: 5/31/2016 11:58:04 AM EDT
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Looking at the picture of the match sear spring in the links, it doesn't look like the sear spring that came in my AA94. Do you have to shape it or something to fit it?
How much difference does it make? The trigger pull on mine is just under 8 pounds right now. |
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Posted: 5/31/2016 7:28:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI bought one for all 4 of my clones, 3 to replaced the bent up auto spring and one to replace what looked like an AR trigger spring in my Atalantic Arms AA89, definite improvement but by no means "match grade". |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 12:56:08 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/1/2016 8:32:17 AM EDT
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I bought one for all 4 of my clones, 3 to replaced the bent up auto spring and one to replace what looked like an AR trigger spring in my Atalantic Arms AA89, definite improvement but by no means "match grade". Quote HistoryQuoted:
I bought one for all 4 of my clones, 3 to replaced the bent up auto spring and one to replace what looked like an AR trigger spring in my Atalantic Arms AA89, definite improvement but by no means "match grade". I bought one from RTG. After installing it in my SAR3 pack, it made no difference. I found that the pack has a very heavy trigger reset spring and that reset spring was negating any benefit of the sear spring. I bent the trigger spring a bit and it made a difference in pull weight, but the pull itself is still sloppy, lots of take up and a gritty break. I'll be sending it to WTS for a trigger job. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 9:00:48 AM EDT
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www.williamstriggers.com
I cannot recommend Denny's work too much. I have several of his trigger jobs ranging from the basic "contoured" in my MP5 clone to one of his SG1 style set triggers. All are 100% reliable and many times better than the stock triggers. ETA: The Turkish ATI 9x19mm magazines work great in my gun. |
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Posted: 6/6/2016 9:49:17 PM EDT
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So I ordered a "match" sear spring (among some other parts) and installed it tonight. Honestly, I felt it only made a slight improvement. Converting over to 922(r) parts seemed to result in a more pronounced improvement.
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Posted: 6/7/2016 7:53:06 AM EDT
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So I ordered a "match" sear spring (among some other parts) and installed it tonight. Honestly, I felt it only made a slight improvement. Converting over to 922(r) parts seemed to result in a more pronounced improvement. Now send those 922r parts to Denny at Williamstriggers.com and prepare to be amazed! 
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Posted: 6/7/2016 2:36:14 PM EDT
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So I ordered a "match" sear spring (among some other parts) and installed it tonight. Honestly, I felt it only made a slight improvement. Converting over to 922(r) parts seemed to result in a more pronounced improvement. That's kinda what I posted above. The sear spring is only half of the equation (well, 20-30%). The other part, beyond loading and angles of the contact points is the trigger spring. If it's heavy, the sear spring can't reduce the pull much. |
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Posted: 6/7/2016 9:37:33 PM EDT
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So I ordered a "match" sear spring (among some other parts) and installed it tonight. Honestly, I felt it only made a slight improvement. Converting over to 922(r) parts seemed to result in a more pronounced improvement. Just dry firing? I think you'll be pleased when you shoot it. For me, swapping lower groups was a huge improvement in feel but made the trigger heavier. The lighter sear spring made it perfect. |
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Posted: 6/8/2016 9:03:32 PM EDT
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With the "Match" sear spring, the end result is going to be determined by your staring point. Most of the factory HKs I've owned over the years have had trigger pulls in the neighborhood of 8 lbs. In every single one of those cases, the sear spring worked wonders and turned it from "When is this gonna fire" to "Ooh wow, much better."
If you are starting off with a trigger pull that is nowhere near that heavy, then you probably won't find the difference to be as dramatic. My personal opinion is that if you are looking for a Geiselle trigger pull from your roller locked gun, then you'll never be happy with it. I will go ahead and say that the same goes for the FAL. |
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Posted: 6/8/2016 11:48:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My personal opinion is that if you are looking for a Geiselle trigger pull from your roller locked gun, then you'll never be happy with it. I will go ahead and say that the same goes for the FAL. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 7:54:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you ever had the pleasure of shooting one of Denny Williams' trigger jobs? When you do you might just change your opinion. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My personal opinion is that if you are looking for a Geiselle trigger pull from your roller locked gun, then you'll never be happy with it. I will go ahead and say that the same goes for the FAL. No, I have not, but given the recent expose of Bill Springfield's trigger jobs on both of the platforms mentioned, I don't recommend anything that isn't vetted through years of hard use. I can speak from that perspective on the sear spring. If someone has that sort of experience/data with Denny, then that's great, and we would all benefit from hearing about it. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 8:26:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, I have not, but given the recent expose of Bill Springfield's trigger jobs on both of the platforms mentioned, I don't recommend anything that isn't vetted through years of hard use. I can speak from that perspective on the sear spring. If someone has that sort of experience/data with Denny, then that's great, and we would all benefit from hearing about it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: My personal opinion is that if you are looking for a Geiselle trigger pull from your roller locked gun, then you'll never be happy with it. I will go ahead and say that the same goes for the FAL. No, I have not, but given the recent expose of Bill Springfield's trigger jobs on both of the platforms mentioned, I don't recommend anything that isn't vetted through years of hard use. I can speak from that perspective on the sear spring. If someone has that sort of experience/data with Denny, then that's great, and we would all benefit from hearing about it. I have several Williams' trigger jobs and one Bill Springfield trigger job, all on HK trigger packs. The Williams' triggers are smooth, light and 100% reliable. The Springfield job is not reliable due to a hammer follow issue, but at least I didn't have to pay for it. Denny Williams has been doing trigger jobs since the 80's IIRC so he has lots of history behind his work. I doubt you'll find many, if any, negative reviews about his work on any of the major HK boards. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 9:56:41 AM EDT
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I put one of the "match" sear springs in my new PTR-91 and it didn't make any difference at all to me.
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