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Posted: 7/21/2015 10:51:55 PM EDT
Does anyone here have one of the new Inland or Rock-Ola Carbines?
https://www.inland-mfg.com/index.html https://www.jamesriverarmory.com/why-rockola.html |
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Damn the Rockola looks fantastic, but the $1295 price tag is ridiculous for an M1 Carbine.
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Damn the Rockola looks fantastic, but the $1295 price tag is ridiculous for an M1 Carbine. View Quote Pretty much the whole story in a nutshell of the redos of the old favorites Take a old warhorse that Uncle Sam likely paid $32 for in 1945 by the millions and try to make a couple thousand at a time in todays world and if you do it right with any profit and the price is pretty crazy. Is the $1295 list price or is that what they go for? When I first got a carbine years ago (I am old as dirt ) You could get a mostly correct decent condition gun and ammo was $9 a box . I got a great shooter that was dripping with history |
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Pretty much the whole story in a nutshell of the redos of the old favorites Take a old warhorse that Uncle Sam likely paid $32 for in 1945 by the millions and try to make a couple thousand at a time in todays world and if you do it right with any profit and the price is pretty crazy. Is the $1295 list price or is that what they go for? When I first got a carbine years ago (I am old as dirt ) You could get a mostly correct decent condition gun and ammo was $9 a box . I got a great shooter that was dripping with history View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Damn the Rockola looks fantastic, but the $1295 price tag is ridiculous for an M1 Carbine. Pretty much the whole story in a nutshell of the redos of the old favorites Take a old warhorse that Uncle Sam likely paid $32 for in 1945 by the millions and try to make a couple thousand at a time in todays world and if you do it right with any profit and the price is pretty crazy. Is the $1295 list price or is that what they go for? When I first got a carbine years ago (I am old as dirt ) You could get a mostly correct decent condition gun and ammo was $9 a box . I got a great shooter that was dripping with history On the websites from the OP, that's what you purchase it at. I couldn't find it at any other vendor. While not all USGI spec, the Auto Ordnance M1 Carbine can be had for ~$650 and with GI mags it runs pretty well. If these were to come down enough to compete with that, I'm sure they would sell more. Since not much R&D had to be done, I'm not sure why the costs are that high. |
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Why not just pick up a used Inland for $600-$800? These won't have ANY resale value because the have no collector value.
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I was thinking about CMP carbine matches. These would appear to be more accurate than a GI carbine.
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I haven't seen it "in person" but the Rock-Ola version has a receiver machined from bar stock.
The Inland uses a cast receiver. |
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I just bought a GI Inland for my six year old daughter. It is all early configuration, even has the pushbutton safety. Paid 475 out the door for it. Compliments my NPM nicely. I want a new one but I don't know which to get. I may just buy one of those Puma 9mm carbine clone things though.
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Who was it making repros a couple of years back , Kahr?
I took a quick look at one in a shop and it looked decent but then I never heard much about them . do I have the name right and are they still made? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Who was it making repros a couple of years back , Kahr? I took a quick look at one in a shop and it looked decent but then I never heard much about them . do I have the name right and are they still made? That's what mine is above. The AO carbine comes with 1944 style controls; flip sight, no bayo lug, and push button safety, however, it comes with the M2 Carbine's mag release with the extra tail so it works great with 30 rd mags too so the Korean 15 and 30 rd mags I got from AIM Surplus work great with it. I like it and after well over 2,000 rds, it's still running like a top, still accurate as heck (for a carbine), and still a crowd favorite with my shooting buddies and their wives. I couldn't be happier with mine and at $694 at Bud's, it's a decent price as well. |
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I just picked up a CMP M1 Carbine Special last Thursday. After a little research I find that it was sent to the Bavarian Gendarmarie ( LGK ST, Steiermark ) in what looks like 1955 it is a Saginaw, Underwood barrel, both 1944. Still looking it over but shot a 30 round mag through it yesterday. A little stiff at first, probably because of the new park, but it fed the last 6-8 shots smooth as silk. Accuracy leaning on the bench, no bags at 50 yards was good, about a 5 inch group. I was really just making sure it would function.
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That's what mine is above. The AO carbine comes with 1944 style controls; flip sight, no bayo lug, and push button safety, however, it comes with the M2 Carbine's mag release with the extra tail so it works great with 30 rd mags too so the Korean 15 and 30 rd mags I got from AIM Surplus work great with it. I like it and after well over 2,000 rds, it's still running like a top, still accurate as heck (for a carbine), and still a crowd favorite with my shooting buddies and their wives. I couldn't be happier with mine and at $694 at Bud's, it's a decent price as well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Who was it making repros a couple of years back , Kahr? I took a quick look at one in a shop and it looked decent but then I never heard much about them . do I have the name right and are they still made? I like it and after well over 2,000 rds, it's still running like a top, still accurate as heck (for a carbine), and still a crowd favorite with my shooting buddies and their wives. I couldn't be happier with mine and at $694 at Bud's, it's a decent price as well. If you were to do it again would you get the standard stock model or the paratrooper folding stock? I want to get one after I finish my 6.5 Grendel build and I cant decide on which one. I know my mother and little sister and maybe little brother will be shooting it. I also know I will be doing the CMP spec accurizing methods to it. I know it wont ever be a target rifle, but I want it as accurate as possible. |
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Without a doubt, I'd get the standard stock version. Not a fan of the paratrooper version.
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Quoted: How about the 9mm version? https://www.all4shooters.com/en/home/rifles/2014-news/Chiappa-Firearms-M1-9mm-carbine-finally-in-production-and-available/ View Quote DO NOT GET THE CHIAPPA. PIECE OF CRAP. It's nice in theory, but terrible in execution... |
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Without a doubt, I'd get the standard stock version. Not a fan of the paratrooper version. View Quote Can you tell me what you didn't like about the paratroop stock? I have never handled either but from what I was told the paratrooper has a more comfortable grip but a worst cheek weld. |
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DO NOT GET THE CHIAPPA. PIECE OF CRAP. It's nice in theory, but terrible in execution... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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How about the 9mm version? https://www.all4shooters.com/en/home/rifles/2014-news/Chiappa-Firearms-M1-9mm-carbine-finally-in-production-and-available/ DO NOT GET THE CHIAPPA. PIECE OF CRAP. It's nice in theory, but terrible in execution... Stay away from that like it was the plague. I would love to get one of those. It would be easy to suppresses. But Chiappa screwed the pooch on that one. I am going to wait for the GSG MP40 in 9mm before I get that. |
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<a href="http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/D_A_Lutz/media/Carbine%20close%20left%20front_zpssrb5pbbw.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q759/D_A_Lutz/Carbine%20close%20left%20front_zpssrb5pbbw.jpg</a> Sling and magazine pouch came with the carbine. AmegaRanges Scout Rail. (Cera Coated to match the Rock-Ola's grey park finish. As delivered, the AmegaRanges rail is deep, deep, black and has their name oversized on the side.) Aimpont T-1. Streamlight M3 Tactical Illuminator Pistol Light mounted to a short/thin piece of Picatinny Rail attached to the Scout Rail 8-32 threaded holes. UM's sling swivel stud added to forend underside to facilitate bipod attachment. Bayonet lug cut off for NY State Safe Act compliance. Magazines shortened to reduce capacity to less than 10-rounds. I agree that it may not have 'collector' value, but getting a brand new carbine with a new forged machined receiver, new barrel, beautiful walnut stock, etc., definitely has value as a 'keeper' in my book as well as pride in ownership. My wife fell in love with this 'new look' after being not too enthusiastic over beat up mix masters we'd seen at gun shows. And every decent carbine I bid on at CMP went for over $1500. View Quote I am curious why you did not cut the whole bayonet lug mount off of the barrel band as well so that it looked like a type 2 band? That way it would look a little bit more like an issued 1944-1945 carbine. It just seems that to just neuter the lug off, it kind of looks like a bit strange. This is what I mean by type 2 band: |
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Before buying the carbine while doing research, I read that the longer barrel band was considered an accuracy enhancement, so I left its extending component that "supports" the barrel in place. And as a general rule modifying firearms, when I permanently modify something like this, I always lean on the minimum degree of change, especially for the initial step.
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Quoted: Can you tell me what you didn't like about the paratroop stock? I have never handled either but from what I was told the paratrooper has a more comfortable grip but a worst cheek weld. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Without a doubt, I'd get the standard stock version. Not a fan of the paratrooper version. but from what I was told the paratrooper has a more comfortable grip but a worst cheek weld. like the look of the M1 Carbine so I have 2, both of which have standard stocks. However, you have to decide what you like, what you want. It's your money and your decision. |
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Wow, that Rockola looks pretty sweet with that optic. Jealous.
Hking |
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Slight hijack here... I just picked up an Alpine M1 Carbine and from a little research it appears I did good. I guess I'm looking for someone who has experience with them to let me know what their thoughts are. It seems to be an early one since it has the wood handguard.
Also what is the definitive website on M1's? |
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I'm not a fan of folding stocks as they aren't as solid so when I shoulder them they don't feel right to me. Further, I like the look of the M1 Carbine so I have 2, both of which have standard stocks. However, you have to decide what you like, what you want. It's your money and your decision. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Without a doubt, I'd get the standard stock version. Not a fan of the paratrooper version. but from what I was told the paratrooper has a more comfortable grip but a worst cheek weld. I guess I will have to find one of each and shoulder them before I make my decision. Because I like the looks of both of them. Does anyone have any experience with the Hornady critical defense 30 carbine ammo? |
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Quoted: I guess I will have to find one of each and shoulder them before I make my decision. Because I like the looks of both of them. Does anyone have any experience with the Hornady critical defense 30 carbine ammo? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Without a doubt, I'd get the standard stock version. Not a fan of the paratrooper version. but from what I was told the paratrooper has a more comfortable grip but a worst cheek weld. I guess I will have to find one of each and shoulder them before I make my decision. Because I like the looks of both of them. Does anyone have any experience with the Hornady critical defense 30 carbine ammo? I have used it with no problems in; Both of my I.B.M.'s (with 15 or 30 round mags), My IAI AutomagIII, and My Ruger 3screw Blackhawk. It cost a fortune to fully load ALL my magazines, but I wanted to make sure they all worked with this ammo. I have 2 GI 30round and 4 GI 15round magazines for the M1 carbines, 7 7round magazines for the Automag, and only 1 6 shot cylinder for the Blackhawk. These are my HD guns and are kept with the following load out; Blackhawk 6 HCD, Automag 7+1 HCD - 2mags HCD - 2mags SP - 2mags FMJ, Both M1 carbines 30round mags loaded first10 HCD next10 SP last10 FMJ - 4 15round mags loaded first5 HCD next5 SP last5 FMJ. During my testing I had targets taped to a 1/2 inch plywood board at 50 yards, the HCD rounds do make an impressive exit compared to FMJ. That said, I have a friend that can not feed it correctly in his Universal or Saginaw carbines. After 3 or four shots he gets a failure-to-feed. I think he needs new springs, because he has the same problem with soft points as well. Give them a try with the gun you have. Good luck and report on how you came out! P.S. Just noticed you are in Virginia. If you are close to Fredericksburg, let me know, my I.B.M.'s are in both kinds of stocks (one standard wood, the other a repro of folding paratrooper stock. Maybe we can get together and you can try them out to see which you like. |
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Quoted: Does anyone have any experience with the Hornady critical defense 30 carbine ammo? View Quote I don't but I handload for everything and I've got both 110grn X-Treme plated and Speer 110grn SP loaded up for HD chores. I'm now leaning towards the X-Treme plated as they are soft lead centers and will I believe that they will expand faster than the Speers at close range which I want for help in keeping them inside the home. When you're looking at realistic ranges of less than 50ft, you don't have to worry about penetration at 1,900-2,000fps. |
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My first, er, rifle, er, long arm, er.....carbine, was an Ivor Johnson M1 Carbine.
Lovely thing - wish I still had it - but the .gov banned them here as evil incarnate so it went away in a brown box to live in Switzerland (Donated it to a museum - but the curator did a runner with it!!) |
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