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Posted: 9/14/2014 5:15:15 PM EDT
Got a delivery from the CMP today. My order was received 8/27/14, and I received them 9/12/14. Crazy.
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Posted: 9/14/2014 5:21:09 PM EDT
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Let's see what's behind door #1
First up is a Springfield Armory from December 1942 
Numbers look pretty good 
Barrel is marked SA6535448 3 65 Y78, March of '65 I guess? 
Trigger housing is marked D28290-W.R.A, I don't know how to date that 
Hammer is marked C46008-3 SA (June 1942-June 1943) 
Bolt is marked D28287-1 WR, don't know how to date this one either, and why it wouldn't have the "A" stamped as well 
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Posted: 9/14/2014 5:23:31 PM EDT
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The receiver is marked 023B D 28291 17 Electropencil TE 8-65, which means it went through the arsenal in '65?
Only mark on the sock is a "RIA" (Rock Island Arsenal?) and the P. Have no idea about the stock and its age. 
That's all for door #1. Next up is door #2........ |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 5:25:29 PM EDT
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Behind door #2, we have a Springfield Armory from April, 1945
Numbers look pretty good 
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Posted: 9/14/2014 5:26:54 PM EDT
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Barrel is marked 3-S-A-4-44 (SA barrel from April 1944???)
Trigger housing is marked D28290-12 SA (November 1942-September 1944) 
Hammer is marked C46008-2 SA (June 1940-August 1942) One the first rifle, the trigger guard wasn't marked with a serial. This is marked with C-46025-1 SA 
Bolt is marked D28287-18 SA A-4 Diamond (Heat Lot October 1944 – November 1944?) 
Receiver is marked 08 1B D28291 35, I don't see any electropencil markings from an arsenal refurb. 
Op rod is marked D35282 6 SA (October 1942-December 1943) 
Stock has a different stamp 
This one for some reason doesn't have the "phillips" gas nut 
That's it for door #2, next up is door #3.... |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 5:36:45 PM EDT
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Behind door #3, we have a Springfield Armory Post-WWII (1954-1955??)
Numbers once again look great. I guess I lucked out across all 3 
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Posted: 9/14/2014 5:41:35 PM EDT
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Barrel: SA F6535448 11 54 MD 43 (November 1954???)
Trigger Housing: D28290-8 SA (September 1942-Febuary 1943) 
Hammer: C46008-3 SA (June 1942-June 1943) 
Trigger Guard: V-46025-1-SA (No idea how to date) Bolt: D28287-12SA S-B7 Diamond (Febuary 1942-March 1944, Heat Lot Nov 1943) 
Inside Reciever: Z9A F 6528291 (Once again, I don't see any electopencil arsenal rebuilt markings) 
Op Rod 6535382 SA (Any ideas on date?) 
Stock has the same stamp as the other 
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Posted: 9/14/2014 5:41:37 PM EDT
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My last one was ordered and received in about 2 months. It's sitting at FedEx right now since I'm out town.
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Posted: 9/14/2014 5:42:50 PM EDT
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Freedom Garands. September 11th. America!
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Posted: 9/14/2014 5:51:00 PM EDT
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OP, do not let anyone "talk you out of that Garand!" it's a keeper! Mostly WWII with a great "uncut," operating rod and a 2 slot gas plug!
Yelp, I like it MUCH better than the other two! Congratulations, my friend! |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 8:21:11 PM EDT
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OP, do not let anyone "talk you out of that Garand!" it's a keeper! Mostly WWII with a great "uncut," operating rod and a 2 slot gas plug! Yelp, I like it MUCH better than the other two! Congratulations, my friend! Ya forgot to mention the 4-44 barrel. Most of those era guns got 2nd and 3rd barrels. Of the ww2 garands i got one FG with an original ww2 barrel. a 10-41 with a piss poor muzzle. I think they graded it higher due to the gunk and copper as there was no lands in a couple spots. I still kept it. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 8:21:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/14/2014 8:30:07 PM EDT
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Ya forgot to mention the 4-44 barrel. Most of those era guns got 2nd and 3rd barrels. Of the ww2 garands i got one FG with an original ww2 barrel. a 10-41 with a piss poor muzzle. I think they graded it higher due to the gunk and copper as there was no lands in a couple spots. I still kept it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP, do not let anyone "talk you out of that Garand!" it's a keeper! Mostly WWII with a great "uncut," operating rod and a 2 slot gas plug! Yelp, I like it MUCH better than the other two! Congratulations, my friend! Ya forgot to mention the 4-44 barrel. Most of those era guns got 2nd and 3rd barrels. Of the ww2 garands i got one FG with an original ww2 barrel. a 10-41 with a piss poor muzzle. I think they graded it higher due to the gunk and copper as there was no lands in a couple spots. I still kept it. Do you think the 44 barrel is original to the 45 receiver? |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 8:31:02 PM EDT
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Does the lack of electopencil markings on the receiver mean they weren't refurbed at the arsenal?
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Posted: 9/14/2014 8:35:54 PM EDT
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Do you think the 44 barrel is original to the 45 receiver? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP, do not let anyone "talk you out of that Garand!" it's a keeper! Mostly WWII with a great "uncut," operating rod and a 2 slot gas plug! Yelp, I like it MUCH better than the other two! Congratulations, my friend! Ya forgot to mention the 4-44 barrel. Most of those era guns got 2nd and 3rd barrels. Of the ww2 garands i got one FG with an original ww2 barrel. a 10-41 with a piss poor muzzle. I think they graded it higher due to the gunk and copper as there was no lands in a couple spots. I still kept it. Do you think the 44 barrel is original to the 45 receiver? Could be, they just reached in the bin and grabbed one. I guess they're normally within 2-3 months of date of each other but there is no guarantee. I saw more WW2 rifle with much later barrels for rebuilds. Yours is close enough to make one wonder. I've had a lot of refurbed rifles. NONE of the ones I got had any electro penciling. But a WW2 receiver with 1947, or a 1951-53, or a 65 barrel makes it pretty obvious. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 8:53:34 PM EDT
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Does the lack of electopencil markings on the receiver mean they weren't refurbed at the arsenal? No. The TE marked 1.03 mil recvr looks like the correct TE color park and the 5.39 SA looks like a CMP repark job along with many of the parts. EP'd recvr legs is a 1960's thing before that the stocks were marked by the rebuild facility. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 10:32:50 PM EDT
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16 days? Really? That is FAST!
I hope that means I might possibly have my two in another 10 days. Not going to set my heart on it though. Ya dun good, OP! Don in Ohio |
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Posted: 9/15/2014 12:50:19 AM EDT
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Behind door #2, we have a Springfield Armory from August, 1945 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=68631 Numbers look pretty good http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=68632 My Duff's book says that this serial number would fall between March and April, 1945, not August. So the time between receiver date and barrel date is a little close than you though. It is entirely possible that by this late in the war (production) a "surplus," of barrels were on hand and production was halted or slowed until the surplus was used up. FYI, I'd look for a late war stamped trigger guard to replace the incorrect earlier "milled," unit. |
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Posted: 9/15/2014 12:57:57 AM EDT
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I've spent a little more time looking over the "original," rifles in Duff's book and the weapons listed that fell a little before and after this weapons serial number ALL had barrel dated which were of the same month production as the receiver. With that I am beginning to suspect that at some point this rifle had a problem with it's original barrel and it was replaced with another serviceable barrel which happened to be from 4-44. Now would this have been done at some lower unit armory or would it have had to go back to a government arsenal or Springfield?
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Posted: 9/15/2014 1:01:41 AM EDT
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My Duff's book says that this serial number would fall between March and April, 1945, not August. So the time between receiver date and barrel date is a little close than you though. It is entirely possible that by this late in the war (production) a "surplus," of barrels were on hand and production was halted or slowed until the surplus was used up. FYI, I'd look for a late war stamped trigger guard to replace the incorrect earlier "milled," unit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Behind door #2, we have a Springfield Armory from August, 1945 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=68631 Numbers look pretty good http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=68632 My Duff's book says that this serial number would fall between March and April, 1945, not August. So the time between receiver date and barrel date is a little close than you though. It is entirely possible that by this late in the war (production) a "surplus," of barrels were on hand and production was halted or slowed until the surplus was used up. FYI, I'd look for a late war stamped trigger guard to replace the incorrect earlier "milled," unit. Thanks for the correction and the info. Fixed it in the post. |
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Posted: 9/15/2014 4:43:17 AM EDT
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Operating rods.
You don't show a good picture of the first rifle's op rod (or I missed it twice). #2 appears to have an "uncut" operating rod. Meaning it does not have the relief cut designed into the later rifles/op rods to prevent them from cracking at the spot where the exposed part of the op rod meets the part that is inside the stock. Take a look at the picture for rifle #3 and compare it to #2 and you'll see what I'm talking about. Those "uncut" up rods are kind of rare and some people want them for collector value (restoring a rifle to original condition - a rifle they probably don't shoot). I'm not suggesting the op rod will crack, just saying some of them did. Then again, I may be looking at your pictures wrong. |
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Posted: 9/15/2014 6:46:41 AM EDT
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damn thats beautiful. Thanks for sharing.
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Posted: 9/15/2014 12:15:08 PM EDT
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Nice trifecta. My "second" should ship out any day. They hit my card on the 9th and it has yet to ship. Looking at all of your pics makes the wait all the more painful.
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Posted: 9/15/2014 5:57:56 PM EDT
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Does the lack of electopencil markings on the receiver mean they weren't refurbed at the arsenal? The only receivers that were marked on the receiver legs were rifles rebuilt in the 1960's. Earlier rebuilds were not marked this way. Yours was rebuilt at Tooele Arsenal. There is going to be a upcoming article in the GCA on the arsenal. You did well on all of your rifles, congrats |
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Posted: 9/15/2014 10:47:22 PM EDT
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Welcome to the club . This my 308 cmp special |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 1:21:39 AM EDT
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Wow, #2 is a real gem of a find. I have two 1943s. Since it has an uncut oprod, I would bet it missed going to a rebuild at all. Dont see that much of those anymore...
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Posted: 9/19/2014 8:42:47 PM EDT
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Nice rifles. I need to join a club so I can get me one of these pieces of history
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Posted: 9/20/2014 4:26:39 PM EDT
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Nice rifles. I need to join a club so I can get me one of these pieces of history I would suggest the Garand Collector's Association. $25/year gets you 4 great magazines and fulfills the club affiliation for purchasing from the CMP. |
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