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Posted: 2/22/2020 7:45:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HPIguy: I ordered from National Gun Trusts. Their walk through really helped me out with my first form one last year, so I figured I'd support them. |
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Posted: 2/22/2020 10:27:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
In case you didn’t know, they’re free from the ATF, not even a shipping charge. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By HPIguy: I ordered from National Gun Trusts. Their walk through really helped me out with my first form one last year, so I figured I'd support them. Just FYI for everyone, my last set of prints I sent in looked horrible. I had serious doubts if they would be accepted. They were accepted so y’all don’t worry too much about them. |
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Posted: 2/22/2020 10:28:38 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/22/2020 11:06:18 AM EDT
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I thought about printing my dog’s paws on the card to see if they would catch it. But reality set in and I have money invested in this project.
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TN, USA
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Posted: 2/22/2020 11:38:05 AM EDT
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I've got two 5in 223 dedicated cans in with Nick now. My form 1s should be coming back any day. This will be can number two and three he has done for me. I simply will not use anyone else no matter the time frame. His communication, workmanship and professionalism is second to none. As some have stated above, I hope he make a fortune and he and his wife enjoy their working relationship. All positive feedback on my end brother. If anyone is hesitant, just freakin do it. I'm en route to probably another three of four cans this year. End goal, dedicated can for each host lol.
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Posted: 2/22/2020 6:47:32 PM EDT
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Some videos of the latest 9mm can on a couple Glocks:
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 2/22/2020 11:46:16 PM EDT
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Sounds nice on camera. How's the blowback and what ammo were you using?
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Posted: 2/23/2020 9:58:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KalmanPhilter:
Sounds nice on camera. How's the blowback and what ammo were you using?  Attached File |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 2/23/2020 3:28:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MSUbulldog21:
I assume this is normal as well? Came out of the booster end of my can. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/259822/97DAEA8C-034E-4722-94FE-40F5C416D41C_jpe-1287866.JPG Same stuff you'll find in a pile after sweeping an indoor range (well, not so much the carbon chunks), but trapped in the can instead of all over the floor. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 2/23/2020 6:08:22 PM EDT
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My sub-load is 147 over 3.6 grn Titegroup. Prior to that I was using Accurate #5 and the blowback from my Octane 45 on a G19 was like a mini face sand blaster.
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Posted: 2/23/2020 11:11:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
In case you didn’t know, they’re free from the ATF, not even a shipping charge. Originally Posted By ScottsGT:
I thought about printing my dog’s paws on the card to see if they would catch it. But reality set in and I have money invested in this project. 
@MSUbulldog21 - Can sounds great!! |
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Posted: 2/25/2020 1:27:34 PM EDT
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This is garnering my interest, and it seems like ECCO does some great work.
But I can’t find a website that I can really figure out anywhere. Is there somewhere that I can look through what options he offers, and pricing so I can figure out what I want to do and start saving? |
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Posted: 2/25/2020 1:35:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SemperMO:
This is garnering my interest, and it seems like ECCO does some great work. But I can’t find a website that I can really figure out anywhere. Is there somewhere that I can look through what options he offers, and pricing so I can figure out what I want to do and start saving? https://form1suppressor.boards.net/thread/4080/ecco-services-pricing |
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Posted: 2/29/2020 10:06:00 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/29/2020 9:17:08 PM EDT
[#15]
Damn, that’s not good. I might send him a case of safety glasses! One pair to keep everywhere!
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Posted: 3/1/2020 9:41:00 AM EDT
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Family is everything, they definitely should be every person's first priority.
Kharn |
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USA
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Posted: 3/5/2020 9:20:43 PM EDT
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Would a recore that involves modifying a tube to a modular design be considered custom work?
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CO, USA
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Posted: 3/5/2020 11:45:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR_DairyFarmer:
Would a recore that involves modifying a tube to a modular design be considered custom work? If you're asking if it can be done, the answer is yes, I can cut the tube at some point and make a coupler as long as it won't interfere with engraving, provided you didn't submit any descriptions or drawings to the contrary with your F1. It must retain the original F1 length in full configuration. |
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Posted: 3/6/2020 8:36:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MSUbulldog21:
Posting this here for everyone that doesn’t do Facebook: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/259822/63084723-2D35-4DC8-8F4F-5078DD92AEF9_jpe-1295919.JPG |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 3/6/2020 10:33:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTM1: At least now I know why I did not hear back from him on a custom item. A man has to know his limitations and I am glad he recognizes his so he does not wind up like DM. Let me get caught up a bit and I'll start taking on parts orders again. Hopefully be there by end of this month. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/6/2020 11:18:20 PM EDT
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Why are the tube kits called solvent traps and not just 80% suppressors or Form 1 supressor kits ?
Not using as some sort of workaround. Im sure this has been answered a thousand times. So Im am sorry in advance. |
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Posted: 3/6/2020 11:49:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By networkguru:
Why are the tube kits called solvent traps and not just 80% suppressors or Form 1 supressor kits ? Not using as some sort of workaround. Im sure this has been answered a thousand times. So Im am sorry in advance. Kharn |
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Posted: 3/7/2020 12:51:21 AM EDT
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/7/2020 11:19:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kharn:
You cannot legally possess parts that are exclusively for a suppressor without a stamp, even a single baffle or wipe. Kharn Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kharn:
Originally Posted By networkguru:
Why are the tube kits called solvent traps and not just 80% suppressors or Form 1 supressor kits ? Not using as some sort of workaround. Im sure this has been answered a thousand times. So Im am sorry in advance. Kharn https://hansohnbrothers.com/shop/hansohn-brothers/accessories/mounts-and-pistons/hansohn-titanium-direct-thread-adapter/ Maybe I should just file a form 1 before I buy anything? Im not joking. Im being serious. Pay $200 and build it whenever. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/7/2020 11:21:24 AM EDT
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OP, those parts look awesome. I love quality machining...
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Posted: 3/7/2020 2:59:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By networkguru:
So if I buy this thread adapter, I am in violation? https://hansohnbrothers.com/shop/hansohn-brothers/accessories/mounts-and-pistons/hansohn-titanium-direct-thread-adapter/ Maybe I should just file a form 1 before I buy anything? Im not joking. Im being serious. Pay $200 and build it whenever. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By networkguru:
Originally Posted By Kharn:
Originally Posted By networkguru:
Why are the tube kits called solvent traps and not just 80% suppressors or Form 1 supressor kits ? Not using as some sort of workaround. Im sure this has been answered a thousand times. So Im am sorry in advance. Kharn https://hansohnbrothers.com/shop/hansohn-brothers/accessories/mounts-and-pistons/hansohn-titanium-direct-thread-adapter/ Maybe I should just file a form 1 before I buy anything? Im not joking. Im being serious. Pay $200 and build it whenever. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/7/2020 4:08:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MSUbulldog21:
Adapters, mounts, muzzle devices are all fine. Un-drilled baffles are fine. Un-drilled end caps are fine. Don't over think it. So at what stage in the process do you think is best to file the form 1? |
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Posted: 3/7/2020 4:11:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By networkguru:
Thanks for the input. So at what stage in the process do you think is best to file the form 1? Decide on a caliber and length, and file it. If the length changes due to material availability, just notify the ATF. |
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Posted: 3/7/2020 6:48:09 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By networkguru:
Thanks for the input. So at what stage in the process do you think is best to file the form 1? |
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Posted: 3/7/2020 7:00:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MSUbulldog21:
Adapters, mounts, muzzle devices are all fine. Un-drilled baffles are fine. Un-drilled end caps are fine. Don’t over think it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MSUbulldog21:
Originally Posted By networkguru:
Originally Posted By Kharn:
Originally Posted By networkguru:
Why are the tube kits called solvent traps and not just 80% suppressors or Form 1 supressor kits ? Not using as some sort of workaround. Im sure this has been answered a thousand times. So Im am sorry in advance. Kharn https://hansohnbrothers.com/shop/hansohn-brothers/accessories/mounts-and-pistons/hansohn-titanium-direct-thread-adapter/ Maybe I should just file a form 1 before I buy anything? Im not joking. Im being serious. Pay $200 and build it whenever. US v Thompson-Center Arms was a US Supreme Court case from back in the 90s, but it came down to the Court telling the ATF that if you had a legal use for all the parts in your possession, even if an illegal use could also be surmised, the legal use must be assumed. TC was selling a kit that contained a short barrel, a pistol grip, a long barrel, a rifle stock, and a Contender frame, with the stock engraved with a warning to not use it with the short barrel, ATF objected, so they registered it as an SBR and sued to get their $200 back as it wasn't legally an SBR. The ruling is here, and a good quote: Two courts to our knowledge have dealt in some way with claims that when a [non-NFA] gun other than a [NFA] firearm was placed together with a further part or parts that would have no use in association with the gun except to convert it into a firearm, a firearm was produced. See US v Kokin (carbine together with all parts necessary to convert it into a machine gun is a machine gun); see also US v Zeidman (pistol and attachable shoulder stock found "in different drawers of the same dresser" constitute a short-barreled rifle) Here it is true, of course, that some of the parts could be used without ever assembling a firearm, but the likelihood of that is belied by the utter uselessness of placing the converting parts with the others except for just such a conversion. Where the evidence in a given case supports a finding of such uselessness, the case falls within the fair intendment of "otherwise producing a firearm." Here, however, we are not dealing with an aggregation of parts that can serve no useful prupose except the assembly of a firearm, or with an aggregation having no ostensible utility except to convert a gun into such a weapon. Kharn |
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Posted: 3/7/2020 7:13:05 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
ASAP. Decide on a caliber and length, and file it. If the length changes due to material availability, just notify the ATF. Also what’s the timeframe from stamp approval? Can I wait a few years...? |
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Posted: 3/7/2020 7:16:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kharn:
Without a suppressor, you don't have a use for baffles or bored end caps, but you do have a use for a solvent trap tube, threaded end caps, solid end caps, storage cups, etc. |
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Posted: 3/7/2020 7:25:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rsolomon:
@BigWaylon any more detail on this? How do I notify the ATF and do they acknowledge it? Can I go shorter and longer? What about caliber? Also what’s the timeframe from stamp approval? Can I wait a few years...? A lot of people thing you can only make it shorter, but that’s based on a repair Q&A. I have a copy of an email somewhere but can’t find it right now, where the Director said the length on the Form 1 is your best guess. If it ends up being longer or shorter you can let them know. I think somebody here did the same thing with caliber, but can’t remember. There’s no timeline I know of. But you can ask for a refund up to three years after you paid the tax, if you never get around to making it. |
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Posted: 3/7/2020 7:44:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
You can send a letter. Not sure if they’ll take an email. A lot of people thing you can only make it shorter, but that’s based on a repair Q&A. I have a copy of an email somewhere but can’t find it right now, where the Director said the length on the Form 1 is your best guess. If it ends up being longer or shorter you can let them know. I think somebody here did the same thing with caliber, but can’t remember. There’s no timeline I know of. But you can ask for a refund up to three years after you paid the tax, if you never get around to making it. |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 3/7/2020 8:10:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rsolomon:
Thanks - maybe my best bet is to put in an Ask the Experts or whatever and see what they say. You can amend length (longer or shorter) and caliber. I've done both. They accept it by email, but you must sign it in ink. Make it stupid simple, don't go rambling on. Dear ATF, I'd like to amend the length, of an unbuilt silencer, on an approved Form 1. Control No. 2019652325 Date of Approval 11/14/2019 Length to be amended to 9" Thank you, Mr. Jon Hancock -sign here in ink- You can scan and email, fax, or snail mail. |
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Posted: 3/7/2020 8:32:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By User55645:
No need, you're here, now. You can amend length (longer or shorter) and caliber. I've done both. They accept it by email, but you must sign it in ink. Make it stupid simple, don't go rambling on. Dear ATF, I'd like to amend the length, of an unbuilt silencer, on an approved Form 1. Control No. 2019652325 Date of Approval 11/14/2019 Length to be amended to 9" Thank you, Mr. Jon Hancock -sign here in ink- You can scan and email, fax, or snail mail. Do you get anything back? I'm mildly concerned that I'll have a Form1 with length 8" and a can with length 10" … do you just keep the amendment form with the Form1? What email address? TIA!!!! |
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USA
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Posted: 3/7/2020 8:34:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sixtysixdeuce: Well, everything I do is custom work. If you're asking if it can be done, the answer is yes, I can cut the tube at some point and make a coupler as long as it won't interfere with engraving, provided you didn't submit any descriptions or drawings to the contrary with your F1. It must retain the original F1 length in full configuration. To rephrase the question, would you still accept such a request as recore work? |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 3/7/2020 8:41:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rsolomon: Thanks!!! Do you get anything back? I'm mildly concerned that I'll have a Form1 with length 8" and a can with length 10" … do you just keep the amendment form with the Form1? What email address? TIA!!!! |
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Posted: 3/16/2020 6:35:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/16/2020 8:05:16 PM EDT
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The man never ceases to amaze me...
Oddly enough they fit into a buffer tube nicely: 
Might make a neat backpacking rig with a law folder and 22 conversion kit |
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Posted: 3/16/2020 8:07:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MSUbulldog21:
The man never ceases to amaze me... https://i.imgur.com/VuF9nZL.jpg Oddly enough they fit into a buffer tube nicely: https://i.imgur.com/dlpn9jm.jpg Might make a neat backpacking rig with a law folder and 22 conversion kit |
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Posted: 3/16/2020 8:15:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chargerdude70:
Now that’s convenient. Great idea!! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chargerdude70:
Originally Posted By MSUbulldog21:
The man never ceases to amaze me... https://i.imgur.com/VuF9nZL.jpg Oddly enough they fit into a buffer tube nicely: https://i.imgur.com/dlpn9jm.jpg Might make a neat backpacking rig with a law folder and 22 conversion kit |
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Posted: 3/22/2020 12:11:55 PM EDT
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It never ceases to amaze me how impatient people are. Did I miss my can while shooting yesterday? Yep. But I know it'll be well worth the wait time, and I'm good with that.
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Posted: 3/22/2020 12:17:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HPIguy: It never ceases to amaze me how impatient people are. Did I miss my can while shooting yesterday? Yep. But I know it'll be well worth the wait time, and I'm good with that. Cool story bro. |
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Posted: 3/22/2020 6:09:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MSUbulldog21: Cool story bro. I was simply referring to your post above about ECCO's lead times. |
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Posted: 3/22/2020 6:30:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HPIguy: I was simply referring to your post above about ECCO's lead times. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HPIguy: Originally Posted By MSUbulldog21: Cool story bro. I was simply referring to your post above about ECCO's lead times. My apologies, I jumped the gun and thought you were referring to Form 1 cans in general and their quick wait time as opposed to F4 cans. I’ve had quite a few “discussions” lately regarding F1 vs F4 and the supposed lack of quality with home made cans. |
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Posted: 3/22/2020 6:52:09 PM EDT
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I’m down to a race now between my Form 1 job Nick is doing or my GSL Phoenix stamp showing up. [insert Oak Island Narrator voice] Will Nick finish and return first? Or will the ATF get my Form 4 that is approved mailed to my FFL first? Or will the governor of SC shut us down so I can’t drive 85 miles to go pick it up first?
Could. It. Be??  About to have two silencers show up and now I don’t want to burn ammo......
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Posted: 3/22/2020 7:04:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScottsGT: I’m down to a race now between my Form 1 job Nick is doing or my GSL Phoenix stamp showing up. [insert Oak Island Narrator voice] Will Nick finish and return first? Or will the ATF get my Form 4 that is approved mailed to my FFL first? Or will the governor of SC shut us down so I can’t drive 85 miles to go pick it up first? Could. It. Be?? About to have two silencers show up and now I don’t want to burn ammo......I have to mail one out to Nick tomorrow plus I’m at 321 days on a dead air ghost. I’m getting close to having this F4 approved and am wondering if ATF will be shutting down along with the post office 
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Posted: 3/22/2020 7:10:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScottsGT: I’m down to a race now between my Form 1 job Nick is doing or my GSL Phoenix stamp showing up. [insert Oak Island Narrator voice] Will Nick finish and return first? Or will the ATF get my Form 4 that is approved mailed to my FFL first? Or will the governor of SC shut us down so I can’t drive 85 miles to go pick it up first? Could. It. Be?? About to have two silencers show up and now I don’t want to burn ammo......Amen to this brother. I purchased 2000 rds of S&B subs to break in my SP5 just before the panic and now I'm torn between hanging onto them or quadrupling my money. I got them from my FFL at a real great price. |
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Posted: 3/22/2020 7:12:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MSUbulldog21: I have to mail one out to Nick tomorrow plus I’m at 321 days on a dead air ghost. I’m getting close to having this F4 approved and am wondering if ATF will be shutting down along with the post office No wonder no one else can get anything done, you have Nick tied up with all your projects.... |
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