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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:21:21 PM EDT
I'm looking for options for my new Tactical Mini 14. I'm torn between a 1x4 lighted reticle scope and a RDS. I'm leaning towards the 1x4. I'd love to see your rigs and hear suggestions for mounting options.
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I went with this red dot in a scout setup position. Great for both eyes open shooting to pickup on off to the side threats
http://www.primaryarms.com/new-primary-arms-micro-dot-with-removable-base-md-rbgii/p/kt-md-rbgii/ |
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IMHO, the correct optic set-up for the Mini is best based on the Scout rail.
Given that, a red dot of some sort for close ranges, and/or an illuminated Scout scope whose reticle has hold-overs for longer ranges. QD mounts for both. Every component, be it rail, optic mount/rings, and the optics themselves must be carefully chosen to ensure that the line of sight through the optics is as low as possible, so as to ensure a quick, natural, repeatable cheek weld. I've tried everything else, and the conventionally-mounted scope has never worked well on the Mini. ETA, the above advice also applies to the M1 Garand, the M-14/M1A, and the M-1 Carbine. There are good, serviceable Scout mounts available for all of them, which take the place of the wooden handguard. Amega Ranges makes some, but generally I prefer the Ultimak versions, which are distinctly lower, and that is of paramount importance as explained above. |
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I agree with the guys who spoke of a scout setup. I use an Ultimak rail with a Burris 2X7 pistol scope,
had to remove a little metal from the gas block area to clear the objective bell. I have also used just the rail with a red dot and it worked fine. I did not like having a scope mounted over the receiver at all. |
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I threw a strike fire with low mount on my 582 mini, and it works quite well.
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A guy i know on a mini forum split warne QD mounts with me. We both have red dots on our front ring mount. This is as light as it gets. http://i.imgur.com/RKuqwSb.png View Quote That's a kickass mini! What stock is that? |
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A guy i know on a mini forum split warne QD mounts with me. We both have red dots on our front ring mount. This is as light as it gets. http://i.imgur.com/RKuqwSb.png That's a kickass mini! What stock is that? Factory polymer |
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A guy i know on a mini forum split warne QD mounts with me. We both have red dots on our front ring mount. This is as light as it gets. http://i.imgur.com/RKuqwSb.png That's a kickass mini! What stock is that? Factory polymer Kind of what I thought. @Kinganuthin: Did you color the stock yourself? And did you mount the rail with the hand stops by yourself? |
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Kind of what I thought. @Kinganuthin: Did you color the stock yourself? And did you mount the rail with the hand stops by yourself? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A guy i know on a mini forum split warne QD mounts with me. We both have red dots on our front ring mount. This is as light as it gets. http://i.imgur.com/RKuqwSb.png That's a kickass mini! What stock is that? Factory polymer Kind of what I thought. @Kinganuthin: Did you color the stock yourself? And did you mount the rail with the hand stops by yourself? Yes, I used brownells aluma Hyde 2. Awesome stuff. And yes.. I dremeled into the stock a little to recess the magpul polymer rail. I bolted and epoxied it in. I had the angeled grip got a while but it was too bulky. Oh.. And it's a Mini 30 tact. |
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Yes, I used brownells aluma Hyde 2. Awesome stuff. And yes.. I dremeled into the stock a little to recess the magpul polymer rail. I bolted and epoxied it in. I had the angeled grip got a while but it was too bulky. Oh.. And it's a Mini 30 tact. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A guy i know on a mini forum split warne QD mounts with me. We both have red dots on our front ring mount. This is as light as it gets. http://i.imgur.com/RKuqwSb.png That's a kickass mini! What stock is that? Factory polymer Kind of what I thought. @Kinganuthin: Did you color the stock yourself? And did you mount the rail with the hand stops by yourself? Yes, I used brownells aluma Hyde 2. Awesome stuff. And yes.. I dremeled into the stock a little to recess the magpul polymer rail. I bolted and epoxied it in. I had the angeled grip got a while but it was too bulky. Oh.. And it's a Mini 30 tact. Awesome! Best looking Mini of any variety I have seen IMO. I have been wanting to attach a Magpul rail to my Mini but wasn't sure it would work. You showed me it can. Now I have to do it, so in the next couple days I will be buying a Magpul rail section. |
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Yes, I used brownells aluma Hyde 2. Awesome stuff. And yes.. I dremeled into the stock a little to recess the magpul polymer rail. I bolted and epoxied it in. I had the angeled grip got a while but it was too bulky. Oh.. And it's a Mini 30 tact. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A guy i know on a mini forum split warne QD mounts with me. We both have red dots on our front ring mount. This is as light as it gets. http://i.imgur.com/RKuqwSb.png That's a kickass mini! What stock is that? Factory polymer Kind of what I thought. @Kinganuthin: Did you color the stock yourself? And did you mount the rail with the hand stops by yourself? Yes, I used brownells aluma Hyde 2. Awesome stuff. And yes.. I dremeled into the stock a little to recess the magpul polymer rail. I bolted and epoxied it in. I had the angeled grip got a while but it was too bulky. Oh.. And it's a Mini 30 tact. I just got a Mini-Thirty Tactical yesterday to setup just like this, minus the AccuStrut. I do have a few questions for you, though, since seeing your setup a while back spurred the thought I could have a micro-version of my M1A that is setup the same way. My questions are: 1. Do you like the Primary Arms RDS enough to do it all over again, or would you throw caution to the wind and go with an actual Aimpoint? In other words, how is the optic holding up and how do you like it compared to the real deal... 2. Have you noticed an increase in accuracy thanks to the strut? I wasn't planning on doing this mod because I want to keep the light and quick handling attributes inherent with the Mini platform, but if it truly does improve accuracy, I may have to reconsider.... 3. I believe you stated on another site that you went with a medium height ring. Is this what you still suggest, or do you think a low ring will work? I'll post pics when I am done. |
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The Mini is a lot like it's namesake, the M14. Neither are really suited well for an optic sitting above the bolt. For that matter, neither is the M1 Garand or M1 Carbine. I've got a 583 Series Mini Ranch Rifle as well as an M1A and both two M1 Garands and two M1 Carbines. Even at 68 yrs old, I opted to keep all of them irons only as the rear peep sight is great if you keep you eye close to it. Even with my old eyes and the irons, I'm pretty good at taking out bowling pins at 200yds with them, however, the M1 Carbine platform isn't as mechanically accurate so at 200yds, it's a bit tough to group well enough to hit them reliably. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/Coloradoglocker/20150618_105337_zpsv5bz0syz.jpg View Quote Mine. Photo taken in Virginia. |
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View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: The Mini is a lot like it's namesake, the M14. Neither are really suited well for an optic sitting above the bolt. For that matter, neither is the M1 Garand or M1 Carbine. I've got a 583 Series Mini Ranch Rifle as well as an M1A and both two M1 Garands and two M1 Carbines. Even at 68 yrs old, I opted to keep all of them irons only as the rear peep sight is great if you keep you eye close to it. Even with my old eyes and the irons, I'm pretty good at taking out bowling pins at 200yds with them, however, the M1 Carbine platform isn't as mechanically accurate so at 200yds, it's a bit tough to group well enough to hit them reliably. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/Coloradoglocker/20150618_105337_zpsv5bz0syz.jpg http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo92/goexus/twins.jpg Nice. Now break loose with $15 and get yourself a Choate Handguard at least to help with cooling. |
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The Mini is a lot like it's namesake, the M14. Neither are really suited well for an optic sitting above the bolt. For that matter, neither is the M1 Garand or M1 Carbine. I've got a 583 Series Mini Ranch Rifle as well as an M1A and both two M1 Garands and two M1 Carbines. Even at 68 yrs old, I opted to keep all of them irons only as the rear peep sight is great if you keep you eye close to it. Even with my old eyes and the irons, I'm pretty good at taking out bowling pins at 200yds with them, however, the M1 Carbine platform isn't as mechanically accurate so at 200yds, it's a bit tough to group well enough to hit them reliably. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/Coloradoglocker/20150618_105337_zpsv5bz0syz.jpg http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo92/goexus/twins.jpg Nice. Now break loose with $15 and get yourself a Choate Handguard at least to help with cooling. The Choate HG would be a nice addition, but a vastly more useful accessory would be an Accu-Strut: http://accu-strut.com/. This device is a MUST on all Minis with the possible exception of the new units with the much thicker barrels. Their accuracy tips are well-worth reading; all are worth doing, as long as your barrel's muzzle has not been damaged by improper cleaning, such as caused by using a non-coated rod without a muzzle guide. In such cases, the barrel must be either 1) re-crowned (minor damage), 2) counter-boring (moderate damage, and barrel replacement (severe damage). Tips: http://accu-strut.com/pages/accurizing.htm They do not mention the relatively new approach of modifying the gas port. The Mini has a replaceable gas orifice contained within the gas block assy. Dismantling the gas block gives access to the orifice, and the replacement is straightforward. Since the OEM screws are usually staked, replacement screws should be in-hand prior to making this alteration, and the proper in/lbs torque wrench.. Great care should be taken to ensure that the gas block is installed centered, and with an equal gap on both sides. This mod reduces the distance the cases are tossed, and serves to increase bullet velocity since a bit more gas is available to propel the bullet, as opposed to operate the action in which some believe is an unnecessarily violent manner. OTOH, this makes devices like the Accu-Strut even more useful, as more gas behind the bullet makes for more barrel whip which is tamed to a great degree by the Accu-Strut. Since the Mini's trigger group is of the Garand design, a professional trigger job will generally end-up at 4.5# weight of pull, but with a much cleaner and crisper feel. IMHO, even a relatively heavy trigger that is very clean and crisp is much preferred to a lighter trigger that is rough. The user can usually do a little polishing of various surfaces inside the trigger group, and done right such a relatively minor re-working can yield results all out of proportion to the trivial time and expense involved. I will add one important note. If you believe your Mini is somehow not up to snuff in whatever regard, send the unaltered Mini back to Ruger for a check-over. I say unaltered because Ruger has historically taken a very dim view of alterations to their firearms. That said, they will advise you of the condition of your firearm, and possible cost of repair. I sent my Mini back to them long ago for fitting of "Factory-Only" spare parts such as firing pins, extractors, ejectors, and so forth. I complained about the inaccuracy of my Mini, and when I got it back they had installed and carefully headspaced a new bolt at no expense to me. The rifle shot so well compared to before that I made some further mods, and now the pencil-barreled Mini shoots well under 2 MOA regardless of how hot the barrel might be. |
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While I agree that a Accu-Strut is a great addition, you'll note that owlless has a 16" tactical 58x series with a thicker bbl so the Accu-strut isn't as critical as if he had a longer, thinner 'pencil' barrel. And while a full trigger job is great, not everyone has the money so a simple light smoothing of the sears will go a long way to a better trigger. Actually, a reduced aperture gas bushing, say .045", is another priority consideration as are a set of Wilson 1911 buffers as reducing the gas forces on cycling and eliminating metal-to-metal banging go a long way in both increasing accuracy and reducing wear and tear on the rifle and the brass. Both together cost less than an Accu-Strut if budget is a problem. I did them all, Gas bushing, Accu-Strut, buffers, and Choate HG, plus added a Mini200 rear sight and .042" rear sight aperture to mine to achieve almost 1 MOA groups, plenty good enough for my uses.
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While I agree that a Accu-Strut is a great addition, you'll note that owlless has a 16" tactical 58x series with a thicker bbl so the Accu-strut isn't as critical as if he had a longer, thinner 'pencil' barrel. And while a full trigger job is great, not everyone has the money so a simple light smoothing of the sears will go a long way to a better trigger. Actually, a reduced aperture gas bushing, say .045", is another priority consideration as are a set of Wilson 1911 buffers as reducing the gas forces on cycling and eliminating metal-to-metal banging go a long way in both increasing accuracy and reducing wear and tear on the rifle and the brass. Both together cost less than an Accu-Strut if budget is a problem. I did them all, Gas bushing, Accu-Strut, buffers, and Choate HG, plus added a Mini200 rear sight and .042" rear sight aperture to mine to achieve almost 1 MOA groups, plenty good enough for my uses. View Quote Taking your picture, posted above, as a guide, I would suggest two things: 1) Buy a tight-fitting synthetic stock. Almost all of them fit the Mini action better than the OEM wooden stocks, which are notorious for being ill-fitting and so decreasing accuracy, The Butler Creek folder is attractive, IMHO, and 2) Buy and install a Choate flash suppressor Front sight combo. This will add a flash suppressor, which the short-barreled Mini desperately needs, and will also add some barrel-whip dampening mass exactly where it is needed--at the very end of the barrel, and such will definitely help in the accuracy department. The much improved, military-style winged front sight is an added bonus. A must-have, IMHO. http://www.riflestock.com/store/do/product/07-07-22 |
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1. Do you like the Primary Arms RDS enough to do it all over again, or would you throw caution to the wind and go with an actual Aimpoint? In other words, how is the optic holding up and how do you like it compared to the real deal... 2. Have you noticed an increase in accuracy thanks to the strut? I wasn't planning on doing this mod because I want to keep the light and quick handling attributes inherent with the Mini platform, but if it truly does improve accuracy, I may have to reconsider.... 3. I believe you stated on another site that you went with a medium height ring. Is this what you still suggest, or do you think a low ring will work? I'll post pics when I am done. Strut is not the end all be all. The one I have is pure aluminum, so weight is nill. I wouldn't get a steel one. The number one thing I did was bed the stock. Number 2 is trigger job. The PA is holding very well. The mini tore up a vortex scope prior. I would be hesitant going less than medium height for 2 reasons. Better trajectory with medium. Also I think having a low ring could cause ejection issues. |
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Used a Ruger 30mm ring and Aimpoint PRO. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/mini14jac/mini%2014/image_zps9cf6df38.jpg View Quote A couple of you guys have this single ring set up on your optics How secure is that factory Ruger mounting location? Will it take a blow without losing zero, falling off, and damaging the receiver? |
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In my opinion, the Ruger rings are bullet tough.
They have a "divot" that centers the base when you tighten the ring down. (So you can't use non-Ruger rings of course. ) This gun is about 4 years old, so it has the built in, ranch style scope bases. Newer guns are drilled and tapped so you can mount a rail section over the action. I didn't torture test my setup, but I never felt it was in the least bit fragile. I like the look of the Mini without any optic, so the PRO is on an AR15 now. If you want to try this, shoot me an IM and I'll make you a deal on the single 30mm Ruger ring. |
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Quoted: Buy a tight-fitting synthetic stock. Almost all of them fit the Mini action better than the OEM wooden stocks, which are notorious for being ill-fitting and so decreasing accuracy, The Butler Creek folder is attractive, IMHO, and View Quote |
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While my wood stock fit fairly tight out of the box (more so than I though it would) I added some shims to it that locked it in so it doesn't move at all. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Buy a tight-fitting synthetic stock. Almost all of them fit the Mini action better than the OEM wooden stocks, which are notorious for being ill-fitting and so decreasing accuracy, The Butler Creek folder is attractive, IMHO, and I imagine that the shims were installed at the very rear of the trigger-guard; the part that actually touches the stock. At least that is where most folks find such most useful. Plastic shims have the advantage of not compressing as wood will do. The reason I suggested a synthetic stock is that the stock itself will not change dimensionally, as will a wooden stock. A bedded synthetic stock, all other things being equal, is superior to a bedded wooden stock as the wood underlying the bedding can, and will compress over time. Some High-Power competition shooters store their Garands and M1As with the trigger guard unlatched, and so lessening the compression of the underlying wood over time. One thing you ought to have a look at is the fit-up of the metal stock liner to the legs of the receiver. It is not unknown for the liner to slightly over-ride the legs, and this hardly improves things. If such a thing is occurring, the trick is to remove metal from the portion of the stock liner that contacts the legs. Do so carefully, as the ideal fit-up is the leg butting-up to the stock liner with no gap between them. Remove metal carefully, little-by-little, and test-fit often. The old saying about it being easy to remove and hard to replace holds true here. |
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