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Posted: 11/28/2014 7:45:05 PM EDT
I picked up my new Mini-14 at Walmart during their Black Friday 20% off sale and now I have a question about it. The rifle seems very nice, but I would like a slip on flash hider and a metal buttplate. Are either of these made for the New Ranch Rifles?
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Posted: 11/28/2014 8:24:24 PM EDT
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I picked up my new Mini-14 at Walmart during their Black Friday 20% off sale and now I have a question about it. The rifle seems very nice, but I would like a slip on flash hider and a metal buttplate. Are either of these made for the New Ranch Rifles? Pic: <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/dab969/media/imagejpg1_zps2156a69a.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg141/dab969/imagejpg1_zps2156a69a.jpg</a> This is the flash suppressor you want to get. Don't bother with any others. The longer flash suppressors are just that: longer; they don't suppress flash any better than the one linked above. http://www.riflestock.com/store/do/product/RCC/07-07-22 In this picture; You can see a short, slip-on for the 10-22, and a longer version for the Mini-14. Notice both slots and holes in the Mini-14 version? These things were sold during the Ban period because the BATF found that they did NOT reduce flash significantly. There is a reason why they are so inexpensive--they are useless. http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/muzzle-devices/flash-hiders/mini-14-long-ss-sku555000001-8730-21091.aspx As with any modifications to your Mini, Ruger takes a very dim of such. So, before making any permanent or semi-permanent mods to your Mini, make sure to fire it sufficiently so that you are sure you won't need to send it back to Ruger for warranty work. If you think it might be a good idea to obtain some factory-fitted spare parts, such as firing pins, extractors, and so forth, send the Mini back to Ruger before making any permanent changes in the Mini. |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 8:39:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is the flash suppressor you want to get. Don't bother with any others. The longer flash suppressors are just that: longer; they don't suppress flash any better than the one linked above. http://www.riflestock.com/store/do/product/RCC/07-07-22 As with any modifications to your Mini, Ruger takes a very dim of such. So, before making any permanent or semi-permanent mods to your Mini, make sure to fire it sufficiently so that you are sure you won't need to send it back to Ruger for warranty work. If you think it might be a good idea to obtain some factory-fitted spare parts, such as firing pins, extractors, and so forth, send the Mini back to Ruger before making any permanent changes in the Mini. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I picked up my new Mini-14 at Walmart during their Black Friday 20% off sale and now I have a question about it. The rifle seems very nice, but I would like a slip on flash hider and a metal buttplate. Are either of these made for the New Ranch Rifles? Pic: <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/dab969/media/imagejpg1_zps2156a69a.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg141/dab969/imagejpg1_zps2156a69a.jpg</a> This is the flash suppressor you want to get. Don't bother with any others. The longer flash suppressors are just that: longer; they don't suppress flash any better than the one linked above. http://www.riflestock.com/store/do/product/RCC/07-07-22 As with any modifications to your Mini, Ruger takes a very dim of such. So, before making any permanent or semi-permanent mods to your Mini, make sure to fire it sufficiently so that you are sure you won't need to send it back to Ruger for warranty work. If you think it might be a good idea to obtain some factory-fitted spare parts, such as firing pins, extractors, and so forth, send the Mini back to Ruger before making any permanent changes in the Mini. |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 9:40:28 PM EDT
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Thanks, but it doesn't look like that one installs with the factory roll pin, unless I'm missing something. It appears it needs to have two slots drilled in the barrel to pin in on the underside. Is this correct? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I picked up my new Mini-14 at Walmart during their Black Friday 20% off sale and now I have a question about it. The rifle seems very nice, but I would like a slip on flash hider and a metal buttplate. Are either of these made for the New Ranch Rifles? Pic: <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/dab969/media/imagejpg1_zps2156a69a.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg141/dab969/imagejpg1_zps2156a69a.jpg</a> This is the flash suppressor you want to get. Don't bother with any others. The longer flash suppressors are just that: longer; they don't suppress flash any better than the one linked above. http://www.riflestock.com/store/do/product/RCC/07-07-22 As with any modifications to your Mini, Ruger takes a very dim of such. So, before making any permanent or semi-permanent mods to your Mini, make sure to fire it sufficiently so that you are sure you won't need to send it back to Ruger for warranty work. If you think it might be a good idea to obtain some factory-fitted spare parts, such as firing pins, extractors, and so forth, send the Mini back to Ruger before making any permanent changes in the Mini. The Choate FS needs to have a half-round slot machined into the barrel in order to positively locate the FS/front sight assembly via the included steel roll pin. |
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Posted: 11/28/2014 10:07:27 PM EDT
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Is there not someone that makes one that just easily pins on like the old style?
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Posted: 11/29/2014 4:37:42 PM EDT
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Is there not someone that makes one that just easily pins on like the old style? Have you considered ordering the flash suppressor/front sight unit from Ruger? The one for the tactical Mini might fit your Mini just by removing the current front sight, and substituting the new unit. That might be the best alternative. Just looked. Apparently the Ruger flash suppressor screws-on, and you don't have a threaded barrel. |
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Posted: 11/29/2014 4:45:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you considered ordering the flash suppressor/front sight unit from Ruger? The one for the tactical Mini might fit your Mini just by removing the current front sight, and substituting the new unit. That might be the best alternative. Just looked. Apparently the Ruger flash suppressor screws-on, and you don't have a threaded barrel. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is there not someone that makes one that just easily pins on like the old style? Have you considered ordering the flash suppressor/front sight unit from Ruger? The one for the tactical Mini might fit your Mini just by removing the current front sight, and substituting the new unit. That might be the best alternative. Just looked. Apparently the Ruger flash suppressor screws-on, and you don't have a threaded barrel. |
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Posted: 11/29/2014 5:11:49 PM EDT
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I looked in the owners manuals for the various mini-14/Mini-30 models at Ruger.com. Within each manual are exploded diagrams of the firearm, with sub-sections for the different models. The tactical minis have factory flash suppressors, but they will only install on threaded barrels, which your mini does not have-- it's a different model, apparently.
I strongly suggest you go with the Choate unit mentioned above. I don't know of a simple, slip-on that will actually reduce flash, but if anyone does, the folks at www.perfectunion.com will. Check out their mini-14 forum. |
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Posted: 11/30/2014 9:06:14 PM EDT
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I would suggest that you have someone move the rear sight back then thread the barrel for 1/2-28 then you can put any flash suppressor or brake you want on it.. I sent mine to Great West Gunsmithing for the work.
For a steel buttplate you would have to switch to a carbine stock which is different than the rifle stock. |
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Posted: 11/30/2014 9:36:01 PM EDT
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I would suggest that you have someone move the rear sight back then thread the barrel for 1/2-28 then you can put any flash suppressor or brake you want on it.. I sent mine to Great West Gunsmithing for the work. For a steel buttplate you would have to switch to a carbine stock which is different than the rifle stock. As a general principle, moving the front and rear sights closer together makes for less accuracy, because the sight radius is decreased by doing so. |
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Posted: 12/1/2014 12:19:37 AM EDT
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Have you considered ordering the flash suppressor/front sight unit from Ruger? The one for the tactical Mini might fit your Mini just by removing the current front sight, and substituting the new unit. That might be the best alternative. Just looked. Apparently the Ruger flash suppressor screws-on, and you don't have a threaded barrel. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there not someone that makes one that just easily pins on like the old style? Have you considered ordering the flash suppressor/front sight unit from Ruger? The one for the tactical Mini might fit your Mini just by removing the current front sight, and substituting the new unit. That might be the best alternative. Just looked. Apparently the Ruger flash suppressor screws-on, and you don't have a threaded barrel. The tactical Mini-14 uses the same front sight that is on his gun currently. It is moved back slightly and the barrel is threaded. Although the Tactical Mini-14's have a 16.125" barrel and the standard Mini's have an 18.5" barrel. That's why I suggested to move the sight back slightly, maybe 1/2"- 3/4" and have the barrel threaded. |
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Posted: 12/1/2014 12:26:56 AM EDT
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On the factory models how far back is the sight from the flash hider?
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Posted: 12/1/2014 9:36:28 AM EDT
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On the factory models how far back is the sight from the flash hider? I have a tactical Mini-30 so I can get those dimensions, but not sure if they would be the same as the Tactical Mini-14 as the barrels are different diameters and the flash hiders are different as well. One is for .30 and the other for .223. I can compare the FH dimensions with my GB model and let you know. |
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Posted: 12/1/2014 8:44:45 PM EDT
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Ok, Mini-14 and Mini-30 flash hiders are the same length. I measured from the face of the front sight to the face of the flash hider which is 2.450" on the Mini-30 Tactical. Then measured from the face of the flash hider to the face of the barrel down inside the flash hider which was 1.686" The difference would be the distance from the face of the barrel to the face of the front sight which is .764". Hope this gives you what you need.
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Posted: 12/1/2014 9:25:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, Mini-14 and Mini-30 flash hiders are the same length. I measured from the face of the front sight to the face of the flash hider which is 2.450" on the Mini-30 Tactical. Then measured from the face of the flash hider to the face of the barrel down inside the flash hider which was 1.686" The difference would be the distance from the face of the barrel to the face of the front sight which is .764". Hope this gives you what you need. |
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Posted: 12/2/2014 1:54:36 PM EDT
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Okay, are you saying that there is basically a three quarter of an inch distance between the front of the site face to the rear of the fight hider? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ok, Mini-14 and Mini-30 flash hiders are the same length. I measured from the face of the front sight to the face of the flash hider which is 2.450" on the Mini-30 Tactical. Then measured from the face of the flash hider to the face of the barrel down inside the flash hider which was 1.686" The difference would be the distance from the face of the barrel to the face of the front sight which is .764". Hope this gives you what you need. No, the distance of .764" is from the crown of the barrel to the face of the front sight. This is the measurement if you had the flash suppressor removed from the barrel of a Tactical model. This distance is what you would have your front sight moved back to have your barrel threaded to add a muzzle device so that it matched the factory distance. Again these measurements were taken from a Mini-30 tactical. |
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Posted: 12/7/2014 4:47:14 PM EDT
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do a search for this little dandy that replaces the factory sight.
Mo-Reaper Muzzle Brake I had one on an older pencil barrel and liked it. My current Mini is an optics only rifle |
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Posted: 12/7/2014 6:19:18 PM EDT
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do a search for this little dandy that replaces the factory sight. Mo-Reaper Muzzle Brake I had one on an older pencil barrel and liked it. My current Mini is an optics only rifle The Mini doesn't need a muzzle brake, since there is very little recoil for a muzzle brake to dissipate. Not to mention that a muzzle brake may enhance muzzle flash, which would be a distinct--possibly fatal--disadvantage in a tactical situation. |
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Posted: 12/7/2014 7:40:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Mini doesn't need a muzzle brake, since there is very little recoil for a muzzle brake to dissipate. Not to mention that a muzzle brake may enhance muzzle flash, which would be a distinct--possibly fatal--disadvantage in a tactical situation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: do a search for this little dandy that replaces the factory sight. Mo-Reaper Muzzle Brake I had one on an older pencil barrel and liked it. My current Mini is an optics only rifle The Mini doesn't need a muzzle brake, since there is very little recoil for a muzzle brake to dissipate. Not to mention that a muzzle brake may enhance muzzle flash, which would be a distinct--possibly fatal--disadvantage in a tactical situation. |
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Posted: 12/7/2014 9:19:17 PM EDT
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Yeah, I don't want a muzzle break. It would be nice to find a flash hider that pins on like is available for the pre-580 series. Why no one makes one makes no sense to me. Same thing on a metal buttplate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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do a search for this little dandy that replaces the factory sight. Mo-Reaper Muzzle Brake I had one on an older pencil barrel and liked it. My current Mini is an optics only rifle The Mini doesn't need a muzzle brake, since there is very little recoil for a muzzle brake to dissipate. Not to mention that a muzzle brake may enhance muzzle flash, which would be a distinct--possibly fatal--disadvantage in a tactical situation. Curved metal butt plates were once offered as an aftermarket item, but I have looked for them without success for a long time. Contact me if you find a source. What i did was to have my gunsmith install the Choate Front Sght/Flash suppressor assembly. Never even thought of looking back. YMMV. |
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Posted: 12/7/2014 10:38:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Curved metal butt plates were once offered as an aftermarket item, but I have looked for them without success for a long time. Contact me if you find a source. What i did was to have my gunsmith install the Choate Front Sght/Flash suppressor assembly. Never even thought of looking back. YMMV. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: do a search for this little dandy that replaces the factory sight. Mo-Reaper Muzzle Brake I had one on an older pencil barrel and liked it. My current Mini is an optics only rifle The Mini doesn't need a muzzle brake, since there is very little recoil for a muzzle brake to dissipate. Not to mention that a muzzle brake may enhance muzzle flash, which would be a distinct--possibly fatal--disadvantage in a tactical situation. Curved metal butt plates were once offered as an aftermarket item, but I have looked for them without success for a long time. Contact me if you find a source. What i did was to have my gunsmith install the Choate Front Sght/Flash suppressor assembly. Never even thought of looking back. YMMV. |
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Posted: 12/8/2014 12:46:18 AM EDT
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Curved metal butt plates were once offered as an aftermarket item, but I have looked for them without success for a long time. Numrich has the curved metal butt plates HERE. They will only work on the carbine type stocks. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 4:53:04 PM EDT
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I wonder if anyone has gotten their bolts lapped and what effect it had on the accuracy? Anyone here done it?
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Posted: 12/16/2014 6:27:20 PM EDT
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I wonder if anyone has gotten their bolts lapped and what effect it had on the accuracy? Anyone here done it? When Ruger fitted a new bolt to my earlier Mini--on their dime, since I complained about accuracy-- the very front of the bolt, the tapered, sort of conical part, was much brighter than the standard stainless steel finish on the rest of the bolt. I presume this was done to establish correct headspace. Whoever did the job did it well, because the Mini shot much more accurately with the new bolt. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 10:28:20 PM EDT
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How was the turn-around-time on the work and communications?
That is some good pricing for cut, crowned and threaded. Makes one think about gong AC-556K SBR from a folder GB. Hmmmm/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
As a general principle, moving the front and rear sights closer together makes for less accuracy, because the sight radius is decreased by doing so. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would suggest that you have someone move the rear sight back then thread the barrel for 1/2-28 then you can put any flash suppressor or brake you want on it.. I sent mine to Great West Gunsmithing for the work. For a steel buttplate you would have to switch to a carbine stock which is different than the rifle stock. As a general principle, moving the front and rear sights closer together makes for less accuracy, because the sight radius is decreased by doing so. |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 3:31:16 PM EDT
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How was the turn-around-time on the work and communications? Pretty quick, it was probably 2.5 weeks. Since he's in Oregon and I'm in Washington shipping wasn't long either. Didn't have any problems. Here's how it looks now except with a factory type flash hider... 
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