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Posted: 10/9/2015 8:45:38 AM EDT
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I'm going to start off with saying I'm fucking tired of bolting on little rail sections. The little bolts end up stripping out if I want to take them off. (blue loctite) So I've gone through the Troy alpha rail and it's to short. I'm now on the samson evo and I like it but it's still bolting on rail panels . I'm just about ready to go back to the old quad rail that is tested and proven. I've looked into the DD mk18 ris ii but they seem to be either stupid high in price or not available at all. What rail is comparable to that one as far as length goes? I've got the silencerco asr mount for my omega and that's what lives on my 10.5". Pictures would be great if you got them. DD lite rail is the first one that comes to mind. Pretty sure its the closest to the mk18 rail Strike that. I thought DD sold the lite in 10" configuration, but looks like it isn't so. Lengthwise, a 10" will probably be the closest you can get unless I'm missing something that's out there in a 9.5". The mk18 rail is 9.55" |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 9:41:15 AM EDT
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DD lite rail is the first one that comes to mind. Pretty sure its the closest to the mk18 rail Strike that. I thought DD sold the lite in 10" configuration, but looks like it isn't so. Lengthwise, a 10" will probably be the closest you can get unless I'm missing something that's out there in a 9.5". The mk18 rail is 9.55" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm going to start off with saying I'm fucking tired of bolting on little rail sections. The little bolts end up stripping out if I want to take them off. (blue loctite) So I've gone through the Troy alpha rail and it's to short. I'm now on the samson evo and I like it but it's still bolting on rail panels . I'm just about ready to go back to the old quad rail that is tested and proven. I've looked into the DD mk18 ris ii but they seem to be either stupid high in price or not available at all. What rail is comparable to that one as far as length goes? I've got the silencerco asr mount for my omega and that's what lives on my 10.5". Pictures would be great if you got them. DD lite rail is the first one that comes to mind. Pretty sure its the closest to the mk18 rail Strike that. I thought DD sold the lite in 10" configuration, but looks like it isn't so. Lengthwise, a 10" will probably be the closest you can get unless I'm missing something that's out there in a 9.5". The mk18 rail is 9.55" Assuming a 10" rail would fit that ASR/Omega setup, a Centurion C4 10" or Larue 10" would be a nice fit. Seems like there are very few 9.5" quads available. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 9:53:55 AM EDT
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I guess I could call larue and ask but would the extra 0.45" in length over the mk18 ris ii put it to long so the suppressor won't attach?
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Posted: 10/9/2015 10:13:50 AM EDT
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What about a rail like the Geissele mk4 or an offering from SLR where the end couple inches has rail and the rest is smooth?
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Posted: 10/9/2015 10:18:35 AM EDT
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I guess I could call larue and ask but would the extra 0.45" in length over the mk18 ris ii put it to long so the suppressor won't attach? It's possible that it wouldn't attach. Unfortunately 9" would probably be a safer bet with those. Actually, there's always the 10" Spike's BAR rail.. pretty sure the ID on those is large enough to fit a suppressor. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 10:20:01 AM EDT
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What about a rail like the Geissele mk4 or an offering from SLR where the end couple inches has rail and the rest is smooth? ^^THIS^^ |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 10:28:10 AM EDT
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Get a Larue 9.0. Great with a 10.3" or 10.5" barrel and it's less than 3 oz heavier than a Geissele MK4 OG version (not sure about mlok and dickmod versions). For me the small weight penalty is well worth the tradeoff to get what is a better handguard for *my* wants/needs.
ETA: I think a 10" long handguard is going to be too long to use with most mount and suppressor combos on a 10.5" barrel. SLR has some special versions that are 9.7" long and may be the longest you can fit if that is really a top priority. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 12:11:29 PM EDT
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What about a rail like the Geissele mk4 or an offering from SLR where the end couple inches has rail and the rest is smooth? ^^THIS^^ I looked at them and it doesn't offer enough rail space between my 952v, dbal i2,and BUIS. I was know my phone and the mobile site didn't want to play nicely with my phone. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 1:12:13 PM EDT
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I looked at them and it doesn't offer enough rail space between my 952v, dbal i2,and BUIS. I was know my phone and the mobile site didn't want to play nicely with my phone. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What about a rail like the Geissele mk4 or an offering from SLR where the end couple inches has rail and the rest is smooth? ^^THIS^^ I looked at them and it doesn't offer enough rail space between my 952v, dbal i2,and BUIS. I was know my phone and the mobile site didn't want to play nicely with my phone. Where are you mounting the DBAL?? Are you saying it is lacking room for the actual Hardware or for the switches to activate the dbal and 952? I would think you should have enough real estate on the top rail to accommodate the BUIS and the DBAL, and should have enough on the side for the light. An activation switch would be my only concern.. Edit - SAMSON makes a full quad that is 9" long. SAMSON STAR M |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 2:05:41 PM EDT
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Where are you mounting the DBAL?? Are you saying it is lacking room for the actual Hardware or for the switches to activate the dbal and 952? I would think you should have enough real estate on the top rail to accommodate the BUIS and the DBAL, and should have enough on the side for the light. An activation switch would be my only concern.. Edit - SAMSON makes a full quad that is 9" long. SAMSON STAR M Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What about a rail like the Geissele mk4 or an offering from SLR where the end couple inches has rail and the rest is smooth? ^^THIS^^ I looked at them and it doesn't offer enough rail space between my 952v, dbal i2,and BUIS. I was know my phone and the mobile site didn't want to play nicely with my phone. Where are you mounting the DBAL?? Are you saying it is lacking room for the actual Hardware or for the switches to activate the dbal and 952? I would think you should have enough real estate on the top rail to accommodate the BUIS and the DBAL, and should have enough on the side for the light. An activation switch would be my only concern.. Edit - SAMSON makes a full quad that is 9" long. SAMSON STAR M 12 o'clock on the rail has my Troy BUIS reversed, directly behind it is the dbal. 9 o'clock is my 952v switch zip tied to the rail. 3 o'clock is the 952v itself. If I put the pressure switch behind the dbal, it's close to upper receiver and is not comfortable at all to shoot it. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 2:11:37 PM EDT
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YHM mounts will allow the use of a 10.5 and 10" rail + suppressor.
Other mounts attachment systems will not let this happen. This is why the mk18 RIS II and Geissele offerings are in the 9.5 ish range. 10.5 with 10" centurion 
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Posted: 10/9/2015 2:20:08 PM EDT
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Apex HG with a FSB cutout is what I use on my LMT 10.5 with a Saker 7.62. But you'll have to bolt on the rail sections. Let me know if want a pic.
http://www.apexhandguard.com/2150-ar15-8-5-ext-carbine-length-with-cutout-8-1-oz-with-hardware-apex-gatorgrip-handguard/ |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 3:01:13 PM EDT
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YHM mounts will allow the use of a 10.5 and 10" rail + suppressor. Other mounts attachment systems will not let this happen. This is why the mk18 RIS II and Geissele offerings are in the 9.5 ish range. 10.5 with 10" centurion http://i.imgur.com/2dN5Hkb.jpg That's exactly what I'm looking for. Looks like the locking ring/color is right there just under the rail but still has access to it. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 3:43:50 PM EDT
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That's exactly what I'm looking for. Looks like the locking ring/color is right there just under the rail but still has access to it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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YHM mounts will allow the use of a 10.5 and 10" rail + suppressor. Other mounts attachment systems will not let this happen. This is why the mk18 RIS II and Geissele offerings are in the 9.5 ish range. 10.5 with 10" centurion http://i.imgur.com/2dN5Hkb.jpg That's exactly what I'm looking for. Looks like the locking ring/color is right there just under the rail but still has access to it. Might want to re-read that. The Omega will not fit on a 10.5" barrel with a 10" rail. You need a 9.5" or shorter rail. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 3:59:56 PM EDT
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Might want to re-read that. The Omega will not fit on a 10.5" barrel with a 10" rail. You need a 9.5" or shorter rail. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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YHM mounts will allow the use of a 10.5 and 10" rail + suppressor. Other mounts attachment systems will not let this happen. This is why the mk18 RIS II and Geissele offerings are in the 9.5 ish range. 10.5 with 10" centurion http://i.imgur.com/2dN5Hkb.jpg That's exactly what I'm looking for. Looks like the locking ring/color is right there just under the rail but still has access to it. Might want to re-read that. The Omega will not fit on a 10.5" barrel with a 10" rail. You need a 9.5" or shorter rail. Yhm mounts are the only one? And by saying that's exactly what I'm looking for, I mean that is the setup I need. Not that I'm going to buy the rail in the picture. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 4:56:25 PM EDT
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I used a 10" Seekins Precision BAR rail on my 10.5" for possible future suppressor use. It's advertised as being big enough for suppressors to fit into the handguard. I haven't tried it yet with a friends suppressor, but I believe the advertisements because that sucker is fat.
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Posted: 10/9/2015 5:36:33 PM EDT
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This is almost getting to the point of just buying another upper. For the price of some of these rails, I can get a DD mk18 upper that has the ris ii rail on it,for a couple hundred more.
That's how I'll justify it anyway... Lol |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 7:58:48 PM EDT
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10.5 BA barrel + 10" Geissele MKI + YHM phantom
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Posted: 10/9/2015 8:04:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI'm thinking the yhm mounts are the only thing allowing you to use the 10" rails like you stated above. I'm curious to compare the asr to the yhm mount. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 9:10:24 PM EDT
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I have a 10.3" with a MI TT 10" rail. With my YHM QD mount and Phantom TI can it mounts up with a tiny amount of room between them.
I also (at one point) used a 6.75" barrel on a 7" MI TT rail with YHM QD mount. I wanted that mount for a SSS brake shield. I had to take a dremel (alumablacked the bare aluminum) to the end of the rail to open it up enough to get it to fit. The MI TT rails are cheap enough that grinding on them didn't bother me a bit. I went with a 7.5" barrel later and used the same rail and it worked out fine. 10.3" 
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Posted: 10/9/2015 10:13:35 PM EDT
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I know the ris rails tend to be pricey. But it fits my 10.5 inch noveske barrel perfectly....
my 10.5 with AAC 51t brake and 762sdn6 has just enough clearance. Any tighter and after everything heats up, it may be difficult to take apart. Usually 1/2 an inch is all it takes. My Seekins 10.5 inch with 10 inch rail is just as tight, and AAC 9 inch with KAC URX4 8.5 inch fits perfect also. But not all rails are rated the same, most companies round to the nearest 1/2 inch. |
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Posted: 10/9/2015 10:48:20 PM EDT
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Yhm mounts are the only one? And by saying that's exactly what I'm looking for, I mean that is the setup I need. Not that I'm going to buy the rail in the picture. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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YHM mounts will allow the use of a 10.5 and 10" rail + suppressor. Other mounts attachment systems will not let this happen. This is why the mk18 RIS II and Geissele offerings are in the 9.5 ish range. 10.5 with 10" centurion http://i.imgur.com/2dN5Hkb.jpg That's exactly what I'm looking for. Looks like the locking ring/color is right there just under the rail but still has access to it. Might want to re-read that. The Omega will not fit on a 10.5" barrel with a 10" rail. You need a 9.5" or shorter rail. Yhm mounts are the only one? And by saying that's exactly what I'm looking for, I mean that is the setup I need. Not that I'm going to buy the rail in the picture. Gotcha. However I believe I may stand to be corrected.... Bare with me cause I may have had a few too many Millers already. My gun is a 10" 300blk barrel and 9" DD lite III rail. The actual rail measurement is 9.25". barrel measures 10". As you can see in the pics there is a 1/4" gap between the rail and the ASR mount. So you could have a 1/4" longer rail, figure 9.5 rail and 10 barrel. So theoretically a 10" rail and 10.5" barrel should be VERY close. You should be able to use shims to space it out as required and for timing the muzzle device. 
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Posted: 10/10/2015 3:40:14 AM EDT
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I've got a centurion FSP carbine rail on mine (10.5 lmt upper) and my gemtech halo still fits over the back of the FH.
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Posted: 10/10/2015 7:57:12 AM EDT
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Gotcha. However I believe I may stand to be corrected.... Bare with me cause I may have had a few too many Millers already. My gun is a 10" 300blk barrel and 9" DD lite III rail. The actual rail measurement is 9.25". barrel measures 10". As you can see in the pics there is a 1/4" gap between the rail and the ASR mount. So you could have a 1/4" longer rail, figure 9.5 rail and 10 barrel. So theoretically a 10" rail and 10.5" barrel should be VERY close. You should be able to use shims to space it out as required and for timing the muzzle device. <a href="http://s234.photobucket.com/user/MPSpecV/media/20151009_213449.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee311/MPSpecV/20151009_213449.jpg</a> <a href="http://s234.photobucket.com/user/MPSpecV/media/20151009_213433.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee311/MPSpecV/20151009_213433.jpg</a> <a href="http://s234.photobucket.com/user/MPSpecV/media/20151009_213259.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee311/MPSpecV/20151009_213259.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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YHM mounts will allow the use of a 10.5 and 10" rail + suppressor. Other mounts attachment systems will not let this happen. This is why the mk18 RIS II and Geissele offerings are in the 9.5 ish range. 10.5 with 10" centurion http://i.imgur.com/2dN5Hkb.jpg That's exactly what I'm looking for. Looks like the locking ring/color is right there just under the rail but still has access to it. Might want to re-read that. The Omega will not fit on a 10.5" barrel with a 10" rail. You need a 9.5" or shorter rail. Yhm mounts are the only one? And by saying that's exactly what I'm looking for, I mean that is the setup I need. Not that I'm going to buy the rail in the picture. Gotcha. However I believe I may stand to be corrected.... Bare with me cause I may have had a few too many Millers already. My gun is a 10" 300blk barrel and 9" DD lite III rail. The actual rail measurement is 9.25". barrel measures 10". As you can see in the pics there is a 1/4" gap between the rail and the ASR mount. So you could have a 1/4" longer rail, figure 9.5 rail and 10 barrel. So theoretically a 10" rail and 10.5" barrel should be VERY close. You should be able to use shims to space it out as required and for timing the muzzle device. <a href="http://s234.photobucket.com/user/MPSpecV/media/20151009_213449.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee311/MPSpecV/20151009_213449.jpg</a> <a href="http://s234.photobucket.com/user/MPSpecV/media/20151009_213433.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee311/MPSpecV/20151009_213433.jpg</a> <a href="http://s234.photobucket.com/user/MPSpecV/media/20151009_213259.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee311/MPSpecV/20151009_213259.jpg</a> You are the man! I'd buy you another beer if I could! |
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Posted: 10/10/2015 9:31:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: DD lite rail is the first one that comes to mind. Pretty sure its the closest to the mk18 rail Strike that. I thought DD sold the lite in 10" configuration, but looks like it isn't so. Lengthwise, a 10" will probably be the closest you can get unless I'm missing something that's out there in a 9.5". The mk18 rail is 9.55" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm going to start off with saying I'm fucking tired of bolting on little rail sections. The little bolts end up stripping out if I want to take them off. (blue loctite) So I've gone through the Troy alpha rail and it's to short. I'm now on the samson evo and I like it but it's still bolting on rail panels . I'm just about ready to go back to the old quad rail that is tested and proven. I've looked into the DD mk18 ris ii but they seem to be either stupid high in price or not available at all. What rail is comparable to that one as far as length goes? I've got the silencerco asr mount for my omega and that's what lives on my 10.5". Pictures would be great if you got them. DD lite rail is the first one that comes to mind. Pretty sure its the closest to the mk18 rail Strike that. I thought DD sold the lite in 10" configuration, but looks like it isn't so. Lengthwise, a 10" will probably be the closest you can get unless I'm missing something that's out there in a 9.5". The mk18 rail is 9.55"  I don't have my specwar k yet, but another member got it to fit fine. Based on the other member's pictures, it will be a VERY tight fit with a specwar /omega. I used a little over 4mm worth of shims to increase clearance. The other member did not need shims for his 10.5'' to thread the mount all the way on, but I did.  Other member's carbine. |
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Posted: 10/10/2015 11:03:47 AM EDT
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Sure they did. http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f306/ASULeadTrumpet/DSCN1586_zpsaqrtdjwd.jpg I don't have my specwar k yet, but another member got it to fit fine. Based on the other member's pictures, it will be a VERY tight fit with a specwar /omega. I used a little over 4mm worth of shims to increase clearance. The other member did not need shims for his 10.5'' to thread the mount all the way on, but I did. http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f306/ASULeadTrumpet/DSCN16121_zpszlmlgk3s.jpg Other member's carbine. http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f306/ASULeadTrumpet/DSC00343_zps1ohcedcn.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm going to start off with saying I'm fucking tired of bolting on little rail sections. The little bolts end up stripping out if I want to take them off. (blue loctite) So I've gone through the Troy alpha rail and it's to short. I'm now on the samson evo and I like it but it's still bolting on rail panels . I'm just about ready to go back to the old quad rail that is tested and proven. I've looked into the DD mk18 ris ii but they seem to be either stupid high in price or not available at all. What rail is comparable to that one as far as length goes? I've got the silencerco asr mount for my omega and that's what lives on my 10.5". Pictures would be great if you got them. DD lite rail is the first one that comes to mind. Pretty sure its the closest to the mk18 rail Strike that. I thought DD sold the lite in 10" configuration, but looks like it isn't so. Lengthwise, a 10" will probably be the closest you can get unless I'm missing something that's out there in a 9.5". The mk18 rail is 9.55" http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f306/ASULeadTrumpet/DSCN1586_zpsaqrtdjwd.jpg I don't have my specwar k yet, but another member got it to fit fine. Based on the other member's pictures, it will be a VERY tight fit with a specwar /omega. I used a little over 4mm worth of shims to increase clearance. The other member did not need shims for his 10.5'' to thread the mount all the way on, but I did. http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f306/ASULeadTrumpet/DSCN16121_zpszlmlgk3s.jpg Other member's carbine. http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f306/ASULeadTrumpet/DSC00343_zps1ohcedcn.jpg That's to good of a deal to pass up. Just ordered it! |
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Posted: 10/10/2015 3:13:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/10/2015 5:00:45 PM EDT
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So I was mistaken about the clearance on my Specwar K with my mk18 rail. It being still at the dealer, I had to take a picture. <a href="http://s1121.photobucket.com/user/jparish62/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20151009_123007620_zpsjhfkxxgv.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l519/jparish62/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20151009_123007620_zpsjhfkxxgv.jpg</a> Looks like to me a 10" rail will work. I might have to shim the break out a little but I've got enough shims so it ain't a big deal. |
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Posted: 10/10/2015 5:35:22 PM EDT
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Looks like to me a 10" rail will work. I might have to shim the break out a little but I've got enough shims so it ain't a big deal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So I was mistaken about the clearance on my Specwar K with my mk18 rail. It being still at the dealer, I had to take a picture. <a href="http://s1121.photobucket.com/user/jparish62/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20151009_123007620_zpsjhfkxxgv.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l519/jparish62/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20151009_123007620_zpsjhfkxxgv.jpg</a> Looks like to me a 10" rail will work. I might have to shim the break out a little but I've got enough shims so it ain't a big deal. Good grab on the rail. |
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Posted: 10/11/2015 1:49:38 PM EDT
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I'll post pictures up when I get it mounted up.
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Posted: 10/11/2015 7:34:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2015 6:02:59 PM EDT
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One other thing, the ASR mount will not fit under the handguard, so you have to install it after installing the rail, which is a problem since you can't access the wrench flats. I took a huge screw driver that was slightly smaller than the ports, stuck it in the rear most port, and use that to torque it on.
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Posted: 10/15/2015 3:44:22 PM EDT
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With a cunt hair to spare!
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Posted: 10/15/2015 4:53:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With a cunt hair to spare! http://<a href=http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg575/pumbaajk/Mobile%20Uploads/20151015_144100_zpsu0mpmwa5.jpg</a>" /> |
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Posted: 10/15/2015 5:07:40 PM EDT
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