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Posted: 2/15/2015 5:01:45 PM EDT
It's loud and nasty and spits fire from the muzzle (and gas from everywhere else).
I don't know if it's over gassed, or under gassed, has bad ammo or if it really matters. It's using a standard buffer as well. No beefy extractor, magical wizard springs, or anything done to "tweak it". It shoots every time, all the time. I shot yesterday and am looking at it today and it is absolute gross. It's happened before and I thought it was ammo, but I'm not 100%. My worry is that when I shoot more in one trip with it, which I will be doing so soon, it's going to start acting up. Do I need to look into this issue, or just carry on? |
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Posted: 2/15/2015 5:15:42 PM EDT
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You might try heavier buffers or an adjustable gas block.
10.5" guns are a bit obnoxious, so it's possible that it's normal. My 10.5 oozes powder residue and excess oil from the upper/lower gap when I shoot it suppressed, but it's similar to a normal AR with a muzzle blast problem unsuppressed. What ammo? Is recoil particularly harsh compared to other ARs you own? |
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Posted: 2/15/2015 5:29:48 PM EDT
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mine are obnoxiously loud, but aren't any dirtier than my longer rifles.
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Posted: 2/15/2015 7:50:56 PM EDT
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You might try heavier buffers or an adjustable gas block. 10.5" guns are a bit obnoxious, so it's possible that it's normal. My 10.5 oozes powder residue and excess oil from the upper/lower gap when I shoot it suppressed, but it's similar to a normal AR with a muzzle blast problem unsuppressed. What ammo? Is recoil particularly harsh compared to other ARs you own? Quote HistoryQuoted:
You might try heavier buffers or an adjustable gas block. 10.5" guns are a bit obnoxious, so it's possible that it's normal. My 10.5 oozes powder residue and excess oil from the upper/lower gap when I shoot it suppressed, but it's similar to a normal AR with a muzzle blast problem unsuppressed. What ammo? Is recoil particularly harsh compared to other ARs you own? Recoil isn't anything I notice one way or the other. I'm using Wolf Gold Brass non-corrosive, loose packed, 1000 rd boxes. When someone else is shooting and you're standing back and to the right, you can see clouds of unburnt powder (I assume?) flying out with the extracted shells. But I'm actually scraping carbon off my BCM bolt, not just wiping it away. Maybe it's no big deal and it's just going to be a pain to clean. 
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mine are obnoxiously loud, but aren't any dirtier than my longer rifles. Yeah, it's as loud as you'd expect a 10.5" to be, but it's literally covered in what looks like fine graphite powder. |
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Posted: 2/15/2015 10:23:05 PM EDT
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What size gas port? An H2 or H3 buffer may be in order to delay unlock and decrease junk in the action.
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Posted: 2/15/2015 11:47:45 PM EDT
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An adjustable gas block and Vltor A5 buffer system will make a world of difference.
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Posted: 2/16/2015 12:18:16 AM EDT
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H2 buffer did wonders for mine.
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Posted: 2/16/2015 12:38:44 AM EDT
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Wolf is notoriosly dirty in my experience to start. My 10.5 is loud also but the KAC Flashcan helps a lot to direct it away from me.
I started with a H2 so can't comment if that will help. |
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Posted: 2/16/2015 5:30:15 AM EDT
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An adjustable gas block helps alot, that and an LMT Enhanced BCG
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Posted: 2/16/2015 11:01:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/16/2015 11:12:45 AM EDT
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OP, what angle/clock position is your brass pile from you? This will give a decent idea of whether you are set up right.
I cleaned my 9mm SBR for the first time in............don't actually remember.  It didn't look like mud shown above, but it did wreck a good amount of cleaning patches.
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Posted: 2/16/2015 1:46:50 PM EDT
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Thanks for all the help guys - too many replies to respond to all individually, so I'll add it here.
1) Barrel & Block: 10.5" .223 Wylde SS barrel w/ .750 gas port & VLTOR low pro set screw gas block. 2) I dimpled the barrel, having never done it, and I seemed to have done it correctly. HOWEVER, I've seen a bit of carbon fowling around the edges of the gas block, like it's not quite tight enough? 3) Shells are all over. I shoot in a lane about 36" wide and they just bounce off the divider to my right and then bounce behind me. When I police my brass afterwards they are everywhere. Haven't thought to ask anyone to watch where they are consistently going. 4) And after seeing that pic, maybe I shouldn't be too worried! 
I guess it's possible I'm over lubing it or something? Anyway, I'm just trying to learn a little here. I don't have someone to shoot with that would say "That's nothing, you're fine", so I'm not sure if I should be concerned or not. |
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Posted: 2/17/2015 12:22:02 AM EDT
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Thanks for all the help guys - too many replies to respond to all individually, so I'll add it here. 1) Barrel & Block: 10.5" .223 Wylde SS barrel w/ .750 gas port & VLTOR low pro set screw gas block. What brand barrel? .750 is the barrel diameter at the gas block journal. We were curious about the actual port size. I would try an adjustable GB. It looks gassed fat from the mess, and I have a MK18 that is similar. Mine is getting a Govnah for the can. |
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Posted: 2/17/2015 6:37:06 AM EDT
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since you say the gun is running fine it's prob just the wolf and maybe your lube , what are you using for lube ?
a little gas leaking around the gas block isn't a big deal , it will seal up over time with carbon 
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Posted: 2/17/2015 11:47:56 AM EDT
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I would guess it's mostly ammo, and maybe some gas leakage which can be somewhat normal. With my 'normal' ammo (Federal 55gr TRU), there's barely any muzzle flash from my 10.5 w/ A2 birdcage. Shooting cheap ammo, however, creates a 2' fireball. I would keep track of any signs of gas leakage, as in my case (leakage where the gas tube goes into the gas block) it caused enough gas loss to create short stroking. I run a Colt H3 buffer too. I would go heavier than a carbine buffer.....feels better and easier on the gun in the long run.
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Posted: 2/18/2015 4:24:52 AM EDT
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<----------- Join the club bro
I've got two 10.5" uppers, they get dirty. Eta, you think it's dirty now? Put a suppressor on the end of that thing and you'll see some build up. |
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Posted: 2/18/2015 7:41:04 AM EDT
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^ this.
Wait till its suppressed. |
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Posted: 2/18/2015 1:45:28 PM EDT
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Thanks for all the help guys - too many replies to respond to all individually, so I'll add it here. 1) Barrel & Block: 10.5" .223 Wylde SS barrel w/ .750 gas port & VLTOR low pro set screw gas block. 2) I dimpled the barrel, having never done it, and I seemed to have done it correctly. HOWEVER, I've seen a bit of carbon fowling around the edges of the gas block, like it's not quite tight enough? 3) Shells are all over. I shoot in a lane about 36" wide and they just bounce off the divider to my right and then bounce behind me. When I police my brass afterwards they are everywhere. Haven't thought to ask anyone to watch where they are consistently going. 4) And after seeing that pic, maybe I shouldn't be too worried!
I guess it's possible I'm over lubing it or something? Anyway, I'm just trying to learn a little here. I don't have someone to shoot with that would say "That's nothing, you're fine", so I'm not sure if I should be concerned or not. Oh man I have got to see this. Pics ASAP
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Posted: 2/18/2015 2:28:43 PM EDT
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<----------- Join the club bro
I've got two 10.5" uppers, they get dirty. Eta, you think it's dirty now? Put a suppressor on the end of that thing and you'll see some build up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
<----------- Join the club bro
I've got two 10.5" uppers, they get dirty. Eta, you think it's dirty now? Put a suppressor on the end of that thing and you'll see some build up. Quoted:
^ this. Wait till its suppressed. It is suppressed.
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Thanks for all the help guys - too many replies to respond to all individually, so I'll add it here. 1) Barrel & Block: 10.5" .223 Wylde SS barrel w/ .750 gas port & VLTOR low pro set screw gas block. 2) I dimpled the barrel, having never done it, and I seemed to have done it correctly. HOWEVER, I've seen a bit of carbon fowling around the edges of the gas block, like it's not quite tight enough? 3) Shells are all over. I shoot in a lane about 36" wide and they just bounce off the divider to my right and then bounce behind me. When I police my brass afterwards they are everywhere. Haven't thought to ask anyone to watch where they are consistently going. 4) And after seeing that pic, maybe I shouldn't be too worried!
I guess it's possible I'm over lubing it or something? Anyway, I'm just trying to learn a little here. I don't have someone to shoot with that would say "That's nothing, you're fine", so I'm not sure if I should be concerned or not. Oh man I have got to see this. Pics ASAP Wait, you want me to disassemble everything to take a picture of the dimples? 
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Posted: 2/23/2015 11:45:45 PM EDT
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Oh, you are shooting it supressed? It's normal for a direct impingement gun to get filthy when a Supressor is used
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Posted: 2/24/2015 8:22:29 AM EDT
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Oh, you are shooting it supressed? It's normal for a direct impingement gun to get filthy when a Supressor is used ^ This |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 12:43:55 PM EDT
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Oh, you are shooting it supressed? It's normal for a direct impingement gun to get filthy when a Supressor is used ^ This
Now I find out. |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 1:06:33 PM EDT
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It is suppressed.
Wait, you want me to disassemble everything to take a picture of the dimples? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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<----------- Join the club bro
I've got two 10.5" uppers, they get dirty. Eta, you think it's dirty now? Put a suppressor on the end of that thing and you'll see some build up. Quoted:
^ this. Wait till its suppressed. It is suppressed.
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Thanks for all the help guys - too many replies to respond to all individually, so I'll add it here. 1) Barrel & Block: 10.5" .223 Wylde SS barrel w/ .750 gas port & VLTOR low pro set screw gas block. 2) I dimpled the barrel, having never done it, and I seemed to have done it correctly. HOWEVER, I've seen a bit of carbon fowling around the edges of the gas block, like it's not quite tight enough? 3) Shells are all over. I shoot in a lane about 36" wide and they just bounce off the divider to my right and then bounce behind me. When I police my brass afterwards they are everywhere. Haven't thought to ask anyone to watch where they are consistently going. 4) And after seeing that pic, maybe I shouldn't be too worried!
I guess it's possible I'm over lubing it or something? Anyway, I'm just trying to learn a little here. I don't have someone to shoot with that would say "That's nothing, you're fine", so I'm not sure if I should be concerned or not. Oh man I have got to see this. Pics ASAP Wait, you want me to disassemble everything to take a picture of the dimples? I think that he thinks you dimpled you barrel as in those aesthetic dimples (some ppl say they dissipate heat) over the entire barrel. I don't think he thought gas block dimpling. |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 1:34:08 PM EDT
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I think that he thinks you dimpled you barrel as in those aesthetic dimples (some ppl say they dissipate heat) over the entire barrel. I don't think he thought gas block dimpling. Ahhhh....
That's funny. Yeah, I dimpled the barrel twice - where each of the gas block set screws connect to the barrel. I've checked the tightness a few times and it's still good to go. |
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Posted: 2/24/2015 9:40:30 PM EDT
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Govnah gas block will help, but being suppressed its gonna run dirty.
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Posted: 2/25/2015 10:42:44 AM EDT
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Do I want to adjust gas up or down? Down = less gas?
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Posted: 2/28/2015 12:32:57 PM EDT
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Yup... my suppressed 300BO gets absolutely filthy. Brass comes out covered in soot too. Perfectly normal.
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Posted: 3/8/2015 5:03:32 AM EDT
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2) I dimpled the barrel, having never done it, and I seemed to have done it correctly. HOWEVER, I've seen a bit of carbon fowling around the edges of the gas block, like it's not quite tight enough? You'll almost always see this with gas blocks. Normally it fills in with carbon and that limits how much leaks out. I would not worry unless you start seeing sparks fly out from under the gas block (this is a thing that actually does happen - not to be confused with normal sparks out of the muzzle )
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Posted: 3/8/2015 4:18:22 PM EDT
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You'll almost always see this with gas blocks. Normally it fills in with carbon and that limits how much leaks out. I would not worry unless you start seeing sparks fly out from under the gas block (this is a thing that actually does happen - not to be confused with normal sparks out of the muzzle )Quote HistoryQuoted:
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2) I dimpled the barrel, having never done it, and I seemed to have done it correctly. HOWEVER, I've seen a bit of carbon fowling around the edges of the gas block, like it's not quite tight enough? You'll almost always see this with gas blocks. Normally it fills in with carbon and that limits how much leaks out. I would not worry unless you start seeing sparks fly out from under the gas block (this is a thing that actually does happen - not to be confused with normal sparks out of the muzzle )Great, thanks. This is my first SS setup, so I guess that's why I've never noticed it on another gun. Here is a pic after I had cleaned it with some cleaner and cotton swabs when I thought it was a problem. 
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Posted: 3/20/2015 8:46:07 PM EDT
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Long story short, I did some testing today and I think this (and another problem) are all related to shitty surplus reloads I bought in bulk (loose) several months ago. CBC, AE, and Wolf Gold have all worked fine for me. I've had two feeding and ejecting problems with the ammo I'm using, and it's ejecting when suppressed looking like Tula. Glad I'm all out as of today. So much for trying to save 4 cents a round.
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