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Posted: 12/16/2011 1:18:57 AM EST
I know this will probably open a huge can of worms, but here goes...

Is there a way to convert my Remington 700 .223 to feed off Magpul AR15 20-round Pmags?

Is there a way to convert my Remington 700 .308 to feed off M14/M1a mags?
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Posted: 12/16/2011 2:02:00 AM EST
Here's one for 556:

AR15 mag conversion
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Posted: 12/16/2011 5:55:22 AM EST
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Thanks, Will that install into any 700 Stock?
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Posted: 12/16/2011 6:44:10 AM EST
I would go with one of the standard DBM system available on the market before I tried to use an AR15 magazine.
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Posted: 12/16/2011 1:20:17 PM EST
A few points about that....as far as I am aware, they never applied the DBM system in 223, nor is it any longer produced. But, I also have been lectured endlessly on these forums about how awful it is, so I wouldn't dare agree to use it.
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Posted: 12/16/2011 1:29:43 PM EST
I think he was talking about one of the other .223 DBMs available like the one from Badger Ordnance seen at the bottom of the page here http://badgerordnance.com/triggerguards/ There are a few others who make them but I am not sure off the top of my head.

Also same goes for the .308. Forget about the M1A mags and get a DBM that uses the AICS mags. Very reliable and many systems available for the .308 that take the AICS style mag.
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Posted: 12/16/2011 3:53:21 PM EST
I too agree the AICS is basically the standard type of aftermarket magazine for the the 700. There are many manufacturers of bottom metal that except the mags. It would seem that the AR or M14 mags would be cumbersome hence impairing your ability to get low and steady with your rifle. But that is just my opinion and not necessarily the right answer and your end use dictates what you need.
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Posted: 12/16/2011 4:15:35 PM EST
Originally Posted By DallmannTodd:
I know this will probably open a huge can of worms, but here goes...

Is there a way to convert my Remington 700 .223 to feed off Magpul AR15 20-round Pmags?

Is there a way to convert my Remington 700 .308 to feed off M14/M1a mags?


Not without major mods to the stock and action, as in machining the action to accept the mag. Once these conversions are done there is no going back. These conversions are problematic and will require mag fitting or modification for the rifle which kind of defeats the purpose of have one mag for several rifles.

There are reasons why you don't see these on more rifles if at all. There is a reason why the AICS type system has become the standard.

The idea sound great on paper but in practicality it sucks.



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Posted: 12/17/2011 1:18:24 AM EST
Like I said, I dont want to open a whole can of worms, but I do not like the AICS. I know that personal preferrence and first hand experience count for nothing, but I have an AICS and do not like it. The only satisfaction I have gotten from it is the OOoohs and Aaahhs at the range, and that is no reason to hold onto a gun. It is too big, too bulky, too heavy, and I dont like the feel of it while shooting. And for all that I have not noticed any increase in accuracy. All that considered, I dont want to spend $80 for a second magazine. I would rather get something that feeds off of all the M14/M1a magazines I already have (and can be replaced for under $20). I spoke with a guy at the range a bit back who had a 700 converted by Robar to feed from M14/M1a mags, and it worked flawlessly. He couldnt have been happier, but they no longer offer it. So, I am wondering if I have any other options for this conversion. Anyone who is in love with the AICS system should be wanting to help me in this endeavor, since when I convert this over to M14 mags, I will be posting my AICS in the EE!
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Posted: 12/17/2011 1:40:10 AM EST
We aren't talking about using the AICS stock. I agree as I don't like the feel either. We are talking about using the AICS magazinines in one of the many DBM systems avaialble from Badger Ordnance, Seekins Precision, Surgeon, etc, etc. There are a whole bunch on the market and they work great. You use them with a standard stock.

There's a reason Robar doesn't do the conversion and no one else does either. It's not an easy system to make work and will be more money that it's worth.

Here's some pics of DBMs
10 round mag

5 round mag

The Badger system out of the stock with 5 round mag
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Posted: 12/17/2011 1:54:32 AM EST
You don't need an AICS chassis to use AICS magazines. There are quite a few different bottom metal options that allow for use of aics mags. The most well known version is probably the Badger ordnance model, but there are several others including CDI and I believe RD Precision (Hateca above) and they all work by modifying the stock and using an unmodified receiver. One of the reasons that M14 mag conversions are so uncommon is that they do require receiver modifications that are irreversible and easy to get wrong. That, and low demand, are probably why Robar stopped offering them. If you decide you don't want the aics mag conversion you swap stocks and you are good to go. If you change your mind on the M14 mag conversion or it doesn't work right you have to buy a new rifle, I don't believe it will work right from factory bottom metal again.

AICS mags aren't cheap, but they're the best system running. Alpha Industries mags run about $65 IIRC.
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Posted: 12/17/2011 3:16:45 AM EST
Originally Posted By DallmannTodd:
Like I said, I doAnd All that considered, I dont want to spend $80 for a second magazine.



Am I missing something? Are AICS magazines cheaper if you don't use them in a AICS system?
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Posted: 12/17/2011 4:02:51 AM EST
You can buy clone mags for the .308
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Posted: 12/17/2011 5:54:44 AM EST
My Rem 700 AAC in .223 with Atlas works bottom metal and 10rd AI mag. The bottom metal cost about $90 (group bye) and mags run around $40 or so each.Very relaible. Nice thing is no perment change in the Action is required. The mags are not as cheap as "P" mags. But are very well made.

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Posted: 12/17/2011 6:45:04 AM EST
They make cheaper mags like Alpha Mags. You get one mag with most DBM systems.

You will end up spending more trying to make an M1A fit than buying a proper DBM and an extra mag. I am all for pinching a penny but common sense needs to be used as well. There's a reason that M1A mags aren't being used. They don't work well with the Rem 700 without a lot of mods to the rifle.

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Posted: 12/17/2011 11:42:54 AM EST
I have a remington 700 sps tactical 223 in a B & C m40 stock. Are most dbm's drop in,or is there some work required?
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Posted: 12/17/2011 12:20:52 PM EST
Originally Posted By Truth2882:
I have a remington 700 sps tactical 223 in a B & C m40 stock. Are most dbm's drop in,or is there some work required?


the only one that I am aware of that is a drop-in, is the Wyatt.
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Posted: 12/17/2011 1:43:03 PM EST
HS Precision is drop in for Remington standard inlet.
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Neither the wyatt or the HS precision use AICS mags, they have they're own proprietary mags. I think seekins offers both an AICS compatible system and a proprietary version.
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Posted: 12/17/2011 8:56:02 PM EST
Originally Posted By JD42:
My Rem 700 AAC in .223 with Atlas works bottom metal and 10rd AI mag. The bottom metal cost about $90 (group bye) and mags run around $40 or so each.Very relaible. Nice thing is no perment change in the Action is required. The mags are not as cheap as "P" mags. But are very well made.

http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb434/JD422/IMG_0711.jpg


I wanna know how you got an AAC model in .223? The only one I can find is .308. Did they only offer them for a short time or something? I don't really want one in .223, but it would be a cool "little brother" to my .308 version due in here soon.
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Posted: 12/18/2011 1:57:05 AM EST
Why do my threads always get hijacked?
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OPPS sorry. I think a lot of people are interesed in the same question you asked. Lots of options out there. In the end. I think that there are not many ways to convert a Rem 700 to take Ar or M1a mags. Would be nice.Good luck
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Originally Posted By smaddox:
You can buy clone mags for the .308


It's not worth the headaches that come with accurate and alpha mags to save ten bucks. Spend the money for the AI mags so you don't have to dick with the feed lips and mag height to get them to run right.

I'd also stay away from the HS system, those mags suck.
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Posted: 12/18/2011 7:14:53 AM EST
Originally Posted By DallmannTodd:
Why do my threads always get hijacked?


Sorry <leaves with his tail between his legs>
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Originally Posted By 300ultramag:
Originally Posted By smaddox:
You can buy clone mags for the .308


It's not worth the headaches that come with accurate and alpha mags to save ten bucks. Spend the money for the AI mags so you don't have to dick with the feed lips and mag height to get them to run right.

I'd also stay away from the HS system, those mags suck.


I have had the opposite experience with alpha mags. When I used AICS mags the end plate would walk itself out in just a few rounds. This happened with 3 10rd mags. The 4 10rd alpha mags I use in my AICS, CDI, and Badger M5 bottom metals have been flawless. This is the first I have heard of any problems with them.

OP, yes there are ways to do it. They are not recommended though.
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Posted: 12/19/2011 7:45:01 AM EST
I did a little self research and read an article on SniperCountry.com by Andy Weber about M14 Conversions for the Remington 700. He said that "although this type of system can be made to work fairly reliably, the road to that end is long and complicated". If this can be made reliable, someone must be doing this. Does anyone know who?
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