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Posted: 10/4/2016 9:48:00 AM EDT
Yes I know they have issues but I am placing this here for a data point for future info. This actually worries me a little bit now.
This mag was loaded with 29 rounds. Was inserted into one of my CZ scorpions for about a month. The scorpion is setup for home defense and has very few rounds through it along with this mag. It has never had oil of any kind applied to it. Only oil it has come in contact with is the oil that is used on the gun itself. I use break free on the gun. I wash my mags. Disassemble and wash the plastic parts with mild dishwashing liquid and then rinsed and let air dry. Springs are cleaned with a soft cloth with break free applied to it and then wiped off with a clean soft rag like a washcloth or old t-shirt. The oil is not let to say on the spring it is wiped off completely. I run my fingers with the cloth around it around the spring the entire length off it I spend a lot of time doing this. Trust me when I say this the spring is dry. I then reassembled the mags when the plastic parts are dry. I use this method on all my "Plastic Mags". I'll be calling CZ tomorrow I have to work 12 hours today. I have 922r followers and baseplates on all my mags cz will be getting the mag body back only. I have 20 mags total for the 2 scorpions I have. The mag I reloaded and put back in the HD scorpion has been checked out to be good. Other mags will have to be gone over when I am off 12 hours Wednesday. What really worries me is that this mag has sat in the gun for month. With the mag in the gun the tension is off the feedlips I assume due to the mag having to be pushed that extra little bit to seat it fully and get a click. 
Date code on mags is 9/13. Pictures for the Illiterate. 
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Posted: 10/4/2016 10:50:09 AM EDT
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As a new scorpion owner this doesnt make me feel all warm and cozy about all the new mags i have been stocking up on. Mine are all 16 dated mags with the rounded feed lips 922r mags. I would hate to be left holding the bag on a bunch of jacked up mags should the crooked witch take the white house. Cz needs to iron this out asap. How about they take some of the crazy $$$ i spend on P-07 mags and put it towards R&D for scorpion mags.
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Posted: 10/4/2016 10:54:20 AM EDT
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EVERYONE that sees this needs to jump over to the ETS industry page and post up to get them to make scorpion mags. There is a thread going already.
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Posted: 10/4/2016 1:47:04 PM EDT
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Actually, everyone needs to just take note of which mags they have -
Chamfered = keep an eye on them, some/many have issues. Rounded = good to go, problem's been fixed. We should probably apply some pressure to retailers/distributors though... if you get sent chamfered mags, send them back. Only accept rounded ones from here on out. |
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Posted: 10/4/2016 4:19:19 PM EDT
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Actually, everyone needs to just take note of which mags they have - Chamfered = keep an eye on them, some/many have issues. Rounded = good to go, problem's been fixed. We should probably apply some pressure to retailers/distributors though... if you get sent chamfered mags, send them back. Only accept rounded ones from here on out. Being the illiterate who needs pics., is there a side by side pic showing what you're talking about? |
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Posted: 10/4/2016 4:56:08 PM EDT
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All but 3 of mine are the old style Mags dated late 15 and I just loaded them up for the first time with 30 to see if they break. I will report back if I encounter any issues.
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Posted: 10/4/2016 8:30:01 PM EDT
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All but three of my mags are pre change. Have them all fully loaded. One is cracking so far.
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Posted: 10/4/2016 8:37:21 PM EDT
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Time to take all of mine out of the wrapper, load them and see what happens. I don't want to find out 5 years from now that my new mags are crap.
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Posted: 10/4/2016 10:20:08 PM EDT
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Being the illiterate who needs pics., is there a side by side pic showing what you're talking about? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Actually, everyone needs to just take note of which mags they have - Chamfered = keep an eye on them, some/many have issues. Rounded = good to go, problem's been fixed. We should probably apply some pressure to retailers/distributors though... if you get sent chamfered mags, send them back. Only accept rounded ones from here on out. Being the illiterate who needs pics., is there a side by side pic showing what you're talking about? Look at your magazine from the front or back (in other words, along the same axis as the seated rounds). If the top outside corners are radiused (that is, round like a circle), you have the new style. If the corners have flats (like someone cut off part of the circle's arc at 45 degrees), you have the old chamfered style. |
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Posted: 10/4/2016 10:26:05 PM EDT
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Actually, everyone needs to just take note of which mags they have - Chamfered = keep an eye on them, some/many have issues. Rounded = good to go, problem's been fixed. We should probably apply some pressure to retailers/distributors though... if you get sent chamfered mags, send them back. Only accept rounded ones from here on out. Good catch. Now that you mention it, the only mags I've seen trouble with are the chamfered ones. My first scorpion was one of the early models (with the Laugo label and old mag catch, and I think it was in the first shipment stateside). Its chamfered 20 rounders have spent well over a year loaded (they get used, reloaded, and then are left loaded). No issues. All other mags I own are radiused. So I think the early mags were probably good to go, then, as has been speculated, QC took a big, sloppy shit as production attempted to keep pace with demand. |
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Posted: 10/4/2016 11:41:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Being the illiterate who needs pics., is there a side by side pic showing what you're talking about? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Actually, everyone needs to just take note of which mags they have - Chamfered = keep an eye on them, some/many have issues. Rounded = good to go, problem's been fixed. We should probably apply some pressure to retailers/distributors though... if you get sent chamfered mags, send them back. Only accept rounded ones from here on out. Being the illiterate who needs pics., is there a side by side pic showing what you're talking about? Skip to 3:00 in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ag9hNtizWw |
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Posted: 10/6/2016 11:00:33 AM EDT
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When did the "new" rounded mags come out?
As a prospective Scorpion owner, this is not a warm fuzzy..... |
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Posted: 10/6/2016 12:55:14 PM EDT
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When did the "new" rounded mags come out? As a prospective Scorpion owner, this is not a warm fuzzy..... All the "shops around here" are still selling the old crappy mags, probably trying to pawn them off on unaware consumers. |
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Posted: 10/6/2016 2:04:31 PM EDT
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All the "shops around here" are still selling the old crappy mags, probably trying to pawn them off on unaware consumers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When did the "new" rounded mags come out? As a prospective Scorpion owner, this is not a warm fuzzy..... All the "shops around here" are still selling the old crappy mags, probably trying to pawn them off on unaware consumers. Thanks to this thread, I now know what to look for with regards to magazine styles. |
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Posted: 10/6/2016 9:35:35 PM EDT
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Actually, everyone needs to just take note of which mags they have - Chamfered = keep an eye on them, some/many have issues. Rounded = good to go, problem's been fixed. We should probably apply some pressure to retailers/distributors though... if you get sent chamfered mags, send them back. Only accept rounded ones from here on out. Being the illiterate who needs pics., is there a side by side pic showing what you're talking about? Skip to 3:00 in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ag9hNtizWw Cool, thanks. |
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Posted: 10/7/2016 9:24:39 PM EDT
[#15]
Just purchased 20 mags from Cheaper than Dirt.
Hoping these are the rounded ones, (Part number CZ11350) and not the chamfered ones. I guess I'll find out soon enough. |
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Posted: 10/8/2016 3:04:50 AM EDT
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UPDATE!!!!
ALL my mags are flat corners NOT rounded ALL other mags are not cracking but I will keep inspecting over time. 1 mag is a 10/13 dated, 3 are 11/15, and the others are 9/15. All flawed corners. l'll call CZ Monday. We'll see. We actually went shooting the Scorpions and my sons AR-15 today. She wants me to set the other Scorpion up for her now. She did good with it. SO now I have to buy another MRO and get 2 x300's lights. Oh and get this she doesn't like the vertical grip. |
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Posted: 10/8/2016 3:13:07 AM EDT
[#17]
Seriously considering buying a second scorpion as well. My wife likes mine so much she's going to appropriate it if I don't get her one.
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Posted: 10/8/2016 11:53:13 AM EDT
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I'm going to buy one with the assumption that the wife will confiscate it, forcing me to buy a second one for myself.
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Posted: 10/9/2016 8:04:06 AM EDT
[#19]
I found another cracked one today. This one with a date of 4-14.
The first one I had was just a light crack that could be seen through the plastic. This one is real bad, it's probably been 10 months maybe more since I've used this particular mag. 
The last one they replaced so I imagine they'll replace this one too. |
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Posted: 10/9/2016 1:20:59 PM EDT
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Strange. I have several early production mags with the taper that have been run hard with zero issues.
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Posted: 10/9/2016 1:50:10 PM EDT
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Strange. I have several early production mags with the taper that have been run hard with zero issues. Seems to be a material issue, not design. If the material is good it holds up as designed. But apparently there have been a few bad batches. |
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Posted: 10/9/2016 4:20:38 PM EDT
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Seems to be a material issue, not design. If the material is good it holds up as designed. But apparently there have been a few bad batches. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Strange. I have several early production mags with the taper that have been run hard with zero issues. Seems to be a material issue, not design. If the material is good it holds up as designed. But apparently there have been a few bad batches. +1 I dont see how the added material in the rounded design can make it stonger.. |
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Posted: 10/9/2016 5:40:28 PM EDT
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+1 I dont see how the added material in the rounded design can make it stonger.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Strange. I have several early production mags with the taper that have been run hard with zero issues. Seems to be a material issue, not design. If the material is good it holds up as designed. But apparently there have been a few bad batches. +1 I dont see how the added material in the rounded design can make it stonger.. With luck, it's a matter of their materials or moulding process being in order by the time they switched. That said, I am not a materials engineer. Polymer molds are quite expensive. I don't think they would have changed them without some perceived advantage. |
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Posted: 10/10/2016 6:21:02 AM EDT
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Molds are expensive...but they also wear out with use. I can easily seeing them make a new version with slight changes when the next batch of molds was being produced. There have been a LOT of Scorpion mags sold over the last couple years.
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Posted: 10/10/2016 10:04:24 AM EDT
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With luck, it's a matter of their materials or moulding process being in order by the time they switched. That said, I am not a materials engineer. Polymer molds are quite expensive. I don't think they would have changed them without some perceived advantage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Strange. I have several early production mags with the taper that have been run hard with zero issues. Seems to be a material issue, not design. If the material is good it holds up as designed. But apparently there have been a few bad batches. +1 I dont see how the added material in the rounded design can make it stonger.. With luck, it's a matter of their materials or moulding process being in order by the time they switched. That said, I am not a materials engineer. Polymer molds are quite expensive. I don't think they would have changed them without some perceived advantage. You only change them out if you can't achieve your new shape by machining a new cavity into an existing mold. Rounding could be done with the previous mold, Rounding also reduces stress risers in the part. |
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Posted: 10/10/2016 2:21:02 PM EDT
[#26]
More mags inbound, hope they're good
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Posted: 10/10/2016 7:53:05 PM EDT
[#27]
Which dealers are shipping out the new style mags? I picked my Scorpion up used and only have one 20rd mag for it.
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Posted: 10/10/2016 7:58:53 PM EDT
[#28]
I bought my Scorpion in April, along with 6 mags. all of which old style, and from late 2015. Just bought some more...curious if they'll be new or old.
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Posted: 10/10/2016 10:17:48 PM EDT
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Which dealers are shipping out the new style mags? I picked my Scorpion up used and only have one 20rd mag for it. I would think that you would have the best luck getting the new style by ordering directly from CZ USA. They are 922r compliant also. |
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Posted: 10/11/2016 7:35:46 AM EDT
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I would think that you would have the best luck getting the new style by ordering directly from CZ USA. They are 922r compliant also. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Which dealers are shipping out the new style mags? I picked my Scorpion up used and only have one 20rd mag for it. I would think that you would have the best luck getting the new style by ordering directly from CZ USA. They are 922r compliant also. Are the old style 922r compliant? |
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Posted: 10/11/2016 11:23:13 AM EDT
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Are the old style 922r compliant? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Which dealers are shipping out the new style mags? I picked my Scorpion up used and only have one 20rd mag for it. I would think that you would have the best luck getting the new style by ordering directly from CZ USA. They are 922r compliant also. Are the old style 922r compliant? Don't know. I received my last batch a week before they offered the 922r compliant mags. All of mine have the chamfered feed lips. CZ-USA will have the latest and greatest though (vs. older stock that a retailer might have). |
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Posted: 10/11/2016 12:12:37 PM EDT
[#32]
The ones I ordered from CTD are listed as being from CZ USA.
They should arrive Thursday ,(10-12-16), so I should find out then. |
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Posted: 10/11/2016 2:39:07 PM EDT
[#33]
Can someone post a pic of the rounded vs non-rounded mags that have been mentioned here?
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Posted: 10/11/2016 3:02:53 PM EDT
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Can someone post a pic of the rounded vs non-rounded mags that have been mentioned here? Watch the linked video on page 1. |
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Posted: 10/11/2016 3:18:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/11/2016 10:47:40 PM EDT
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On the CZ FORUM the cracked mag problem is thought in part to be related to lubrication.
Do NOT use Miltec-1. http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=81913.15 http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=81913.45 |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:26:07 PM EDT
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Strange. I have several early production mags with the taper that have been run hard with zero issues. Same here. All my mags have the flat edge and have been used and left loaded since I got it in the first batch of stateside Scorpions. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 3:29:06 PM EDT
[#38]
The Only cracks I've seen posted were from chamfered mags. But it clearly doesn't afflict ALL chamfered mags.
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Posted: 10/12/2016 7:24:47 PM EDT
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I really wish someone else would start making mags for the scorpion. I like stacking mags deep and the thought of doing that with mags so prone to failure isn't sitting well. Considering dumping the Scorpion to do 9mm AR pistol build and stacking up on ETS Glock mags.
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Posted: 10/12/2016 8:30:46 PM EDT
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I really wish someone else would start making mags for the scorpion. I like stacking mags deep and the thought of doing that with mags so prone to failure isn't sitting well. Considering dumping the Scorpion to do 9mm AR pistol build and stacking up on ETS Glock mags. I get it I feel the same only about the mags., but none of mine have cracked. I have nearly 7000 rounds through mine n 6 of my mags. no issues except extreme feelings of love for the gun. Though I would like a Q.C. 10 glock lower setup. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 10:55:43 PM EDT
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I get it I feel the same only about the mags., but none of mine have cracked. I have nearly 7000 rounds through mine n 6 of my mags. no issues except extreme feelings of love for the gun. Though I would like a Q.C. 10 glock lower setup. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I really wish someone else would start making mags for the scorpion. I like stacking mags deep and the thought of doing that with mags so prone to failure isn't sitting well. Considering dumping the Scorpion to do 9mm AR pistol build and stacking up on ETS Glock mags. I get it I feel the same only about the mags., but none of mine have cracked. I have nearly 7000 rounds through mine n 6 of my mags. no issues except extreme feelings of love for the gun. Though I would like a Q.C. 10 glock lower setup. Wonder what the barrel life is on an Evo. Never really thought about it, but given you can't really get replacement barrels I suppose it's relevant. |
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Posted: 10/13/2016 6:06:18 AM EDT
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Wonder what the barrel life is on an Evo. Never really thought about it, but given you can't really get replacement barrels I suppose it's relevant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I really wish someone else would start making mags for the scorpion. I like stacking mags deep and the thought of doing that with mags so prone to failure isn't sitting well. Considering dumping the Scorpion to do 9mm AR pistol build and stacking up on ETS Glock mags. I get it I feel the same only about the mags., but none of mine have cracked. I have nearly 7000 rounds through mine n 6 of my mags. no issues except extreme feelings of love for the gun. Though I would like a Q.C. 10 glock lower setup. Wonder what the barrel life is on an Evo. Never really thought about it, but given you can't really get replacement barrels I suppose it's relevant. I doubt you'd shoot out the barrel, it's just 9mm. If you do happen to it will cost many many many times more in ammo than a new gun. And even though it's not on the website CZ could probably help you out if you did need a replacement. CZ custom does sell a barrel although it's not the same as stock. |
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Posted: 10/13/2016 8:11:53 AM EDT
[#43]
I got my 30 round Scorpion Evo magazines from Cheaper than Dirt yesterday.
They all have rounded feed lips, all say CZ USA, and assuming I'm reading the date code right, mine were made in Jan May of 16. Mine came from warehouse 20,(Cheaper than Dirt warehouse), and were part number CZ 11350. |
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Posted: 10/13/2016 8:16:03 AM EDT
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The ones I ordered from CTD are listed as being from CZ USA. They should arrive Thursday ,(10-12-16), so I should find out then. I got mine from CTD yesterday too, they all have the rounded edges, are dated May 2016, and floor plated marked CZ USA. |
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Posted: 10/13/2016 5:24:23 PM EDT
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So CTD is shipping the new ones? Anyone get some from warehouse 1? I have been waiting to get from CZ, but who knows when they will be back in stock...
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Posted: 10/13/2016 8:50:45 PM EDT
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After confirming they had the new style I ordered 6 from Prepper Gun Shop for just under $120.
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Posted: 10/13/2016 9:13:05 PM EDT
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Greg Cote shipping new mags, just had 5 30rnd mags made in May '16 show up.
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Posted: 10/13/2016 11:53:31 PM EDT
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I received two from Botach today that were the new style dated 3/16.
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Posted: 10/14/2016 1:46:23 PM EDT
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I'm going to be 43 here soon and I'm guessing my eye sight isnt as sharp as it used to be. I had to take a picture with my phone of the date stamp on the back of my Scorpion mags to actually see them clearly.
What I assumed was a 1 was actually an arrow pointing to the number 5. For other old guys here....the date stamp is a circle of numbers (1 - 12) with an arrow pointing to one of the numbers. The arrow is inside the circle and has a 1 and a 6 on either side on my magazines. So I'm now understanding my magazines to have been manufactured in May of 16. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here. |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 7:26:36 PM EDT
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So CTD is shipping the new ones? Anyone get some from warehouse 1? I have been waiting to get from CZ, but who knows when they will be back in stock... I just got ten 30-rounders from Warehouse 1 of CTD, and can confirm that all are the new style with rounded feed lips, manufactured 5/16. --Gene |
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