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Posted: 9/26/2015 10:39:09 PM EDT
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Someone needs to make an aftermarket drop-in metal safety. I did buy a couple of extra plastic ones in case they break. That particular receiver uses the original factory safety. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess I've achieved the goal of my original post. Note the functional rate reducer, correct safety, and enough material left to mill a stock dovetail. https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1112x626q90/540/JOJEV7.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1112x626q90/540/9sqFeS.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1112x626q90/673/xSTB0T.jpg Where did you get the metal safety? I can't stand the plastic version. Someone needs to make an aftermarket drop-in metal safety. I did buy a couple of extra plastic ones in case they break. That particular receiver uses the original factory safety. |
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Posted: 9/27/2015 10:25:27 AM EDT
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Thank you for sharing your knowledge CKxx. I very much appreciate it sir.
I wanted to add ROBERTRTG has factory NIW five packs of 20 rounders if you purchase five at $19.99 each. CDNN has CZ USA poly bagged 20 rounders for the same price, but, not factory NIW. I love the smell of cosmoline but YMMV. The link for the five pack of NIW magazines is HERE. My plan is to secure a parts kit and get a stripped frame like CKxx. This thread is why I enjoy discussion on this site; we can ask questions and share knowledge while being civil. It's like hanging out at the LGS and getting facts instead of opinions. Sorry for the thread drift. |
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Posted: 9/29/2015 10:33:06 PM EDT
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Thank you for the link. I've got my fill of magazines for this thing thus for now (Armorer's kit plus several more), but also give a call to Sarco, Inc. Last time they gave me a quantity discount I think it came to something like $17/ea. As for the receiver/kit, I would ask Jerry what kind of stock he has left on kits and receivers. I know that he had the kits for a quite a while and a lot of people were waiting on the receivers to come in. It may be worth getting the receiver first.
EDIT: Sarco link- 3 or more @ $18.32 http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/scorpionnew20roundmagazines.aspx Jumping topics, does anyone reload 7.65x17? These guns chew up ammo quick and it's rather costly buying a box at a time. Also, here is some VZ.61 eye candy for everyone: 
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Posted: 9/30/2015 8:39:24 PM EDT
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Yes, a very fun gun! and I do reload 32 acp on a Dillon 650.
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Posted: 9/30/2015 10:31:20 PM EDT
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I also have a trident 9. How did you mount that?
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Posted: 10/1/2015 10:48:01 AM EDT
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Yes, a very fun gun! and I do reload 32 acp on a Dillon 650. http://<a href=http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii126/sbittler01/20150902_185408.jpg</a>" /> Who threaded your barrel? I've been wanting to throw a can on mine for a while now but can't find anyone to thread it. |
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Posted: 10/1/2015 12:04:00 PM EDT
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This is a factory sbr that czechpoint usa did a few years ago. You had a choice of a threaded barrel or a 3 lug barrel. This is a 3 lug barrel.
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Posted: 10/1/2015 12:06:39 PM EDT
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Damn. I had actually called them at one point and asked, and they said they had no more of those barrels and the folks who were making it don't make them any longer.
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Posted: 10/1/2015 10:14:35 PM EDT
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Wow. That's really cool. How does it sound?
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Posted: 10/2/2015 8:52:26 AM EDT
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Man, I have to get my Form 1 in. Don't know why I keep putting it off.
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Posted: 10/2/2015 8:54:16 AM EDT
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Thank you for the link. I've got my fill of magazines for this thing thus for now (Armorer's kit plus several more), but also give a call to Sarco, Inc. Last time they gave me a quantity discount I think it came to something like $17/ea. As for the receiver/kit, I would ask Jerry what kind of stock he has left on kits and receivers. I know that he had the kits for a quite a while and a lot of people were waiting on the receivers to come in. It may be worth getting the receiver first. EDIT: Sarco link- 3 or more @ $18.32 http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/scorpionnew20roundmagazines.aspx Jumping topics, does anyone reload 7.65x17? These guns chew up ammo quick and it's rather costly buying a box at a time. Also, here is some VZ.61 eye candy for everyone:  https://youtu.be/omfqF6DKI3kOk, how did you get it to bump fire? |
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Posted: 10/2/2015 8:59:40 AM EDT
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Wow. That's really cool. How does it sound? Pretty quiet. maybe not 22lr suppressed quiet but definitely less than a 9mm. |
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Posted: 10/2/2015 9:38:30 AM EDT
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Ok, how did you get it to bump fire? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thank you for the link. I've got my fill of magazines for this thing thus for now (Armorer's kit plus several more), but also give a call to Sarco, Inc. Last time they gave me a quantity discount I think it came to something like $17/ea. As for the receiver/kit, I would ask Jerry what kind of stock he has left on kits and receivers. I know that he had the kits for a quite a while and a lot of people were waiting on the receivers to come in. It may be worth getting the receiver first. EDIT: Sarco link- 3 or more @ $18.32 http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/scorpionnew20roundmagazines.aspx Jumping topics, does anyone reload 7.65x17? These guns chew up ammo quick and it's rather costly buying a box at a time. Also, here is some VZ.61 eye candy for everyone: https://youtu.be/omfqF6DKI3kOk, how did you get it to bump fire? Bump firing a VZ61 is pretty easy. Took me all of two mags to master it. My Skorpion bumps at about 500 rpm from the shoulder. Simply hold your trigger finger stiff (do not squeeze the trigger) and grip the pistol grip loosely. Grip the magazine loosely as well with your off hand but put forward pressure on the magazine. As you pull the mag forward you will force the trigger to depress against your stiff trigger finger. As the gun recoils (trigger reset) the constant forward pressure on the mag will set up a rocking motion that will cause the weapon to constantly "bump" fire. With very little practice you can empty a 20 round mag in about three seconds. Practice and enjoy 
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Posted: 10/4/2015 7:32:19 PM EDT
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Believe it or not I was actually just pulling the trigger rapidly, or at least trying to. The gun may have picked up a little bit of bump action, but I was holding the magazine tight, as well as the grip.
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Posted: 10/9/2015 4:14:50 PM EDT
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Czech Point sent out an email I received at 2:20 PM that says they got Skorpion in all 3 calibers in stock.
I checked at 3:20 and 7.65mm is already sold out! They're not shipping till Monday too. |
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Posted: 10/10/2015 1:19:53 AM EDT
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Were you able to order one?
If not: 
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Posted: 11/14/2015 1:21:30 AM EDT
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I was messing around trying to make a peep sight, and I guess this first attempt would be a "proof of concept." You can see in one photo where I accidentally milled through to the pin hole. I'll make some corrections to my second attempt. I played around with the gun and it was much MUCH easier to aim with the stock deployed with a peep/diopter/ghost ring/what have you.
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Posted: 11/20/2015 4:10:21 PM EDT
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I put the form 1 paperwork in this morning. Can't believe I waited so dang long. Now I need to stock up on mags and ammo.
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Posted: 11/23/2015 1:52:07 AM EDT
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You won't regret it. It's incredibly fun, and very unique. I just wish the SA 361 parts were available so that I could build one in 9mm, which is about half the cost.
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Posted: 11/23/2015 2:04:44 AM EDT
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I was messing around trying to make a peep sight, and I guess this first attempt would be a "proof of concept." You can see in one photo where I accidentally milled through to the pin hole. I'll make some corrections to my second attempt. I played around with the gun and it was much MUCH easier to aim with the stock deployed with a peep/diopter/ghost ring/what have you. http://imageshack.com/a/img905/2121/MYvGYa.jpg http://imageshack.com/a/img907/963/vgRTo0.jpg Interested!! 
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Posted: 11/23/2015 5:04:03 PM EDT
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If you make them I will buy one for my SBR.
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Posted: 11/23/2015 8:51:04 PM EDT
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I'll TRY to make a few, but hell, I still haven't gotten the first one right.
Later tonight I was going to toy around with making it simply slide/clip onto the existing sight. |
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Posted: 12/18/2015 9:19:26 PM EDT
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considering a form 1 for my balky vz 61, but only really if I can use the SBRed lower later on with a 380 or 9mm mak upper later.
Does anyone know if the 380 and 9mm mak vz 61s use the same lower receiver as the 32 ACPs? |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 5:33:36 AM EDT
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considering a form 1 for my balky vz 61, but only really if I can use the SBRed lower later on with a 380 or 9mm mak upper later. Does anyone know if the 380 and 9mm mak vz 61s use the same lower receiver as the 32 ACPs? I would love to know this as well. |
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Posted: 12/24/2015 1:06:54 PM EDT
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Subbed for the F1 wait......
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Posted: 1/3/2016 8:59:55 PM EDT
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Just picked up a big brother to my VZ61. Even though it is a 9mm (UZI Pro Pistol) with the stock deployed it is 1/8" shorter then my VZ61. Love them both but this UZI is very accurate and suppressed you would find it hard to beat as a HD weapon.
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Posted: 1/4/2016 2:08:24 AM EDT
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Very interesting. Nice size comparison. That uzi really is tiny!
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Posted: 1/4/2016 9:26:56 PM EDT
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Anyone have a link for a step-by-step tutorial for converting the VZ61 to an SBR?
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Posted: 1/5/2016 2:23:15 AM EDT
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Anyone have a link for a step-by-step tutorial for converting the VZ61 to an SBR? I'm assuming you do not have the receiver that is pre-tapped? Do you have a mill, or drill press? EDIT: or do you mean the paperwork? |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 8:48:58 AM EDT
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Does 922r apply to the scorpion, if so is there any us made parts we can buy to meet requirements?
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Posted: 1/5/2016 2:07:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/5/2016 3:47:10 PM EDT
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Does 922r apply to the scorpion, if so is there any us made parts we can buy to meet requirements? 922r applies to all non-sporting rifles. |
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Posted: 1/5/2016 6:25:08 PM EDT
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I'm assuming you do not have the receiver that is pre-tapped? Do you have a mill, or drill press? EDIT: or do you mean the paperwork? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone have a link for a step-by-step tutorial for converting the VZ61 to an SBR? I'm assuming you do not have the receiver that is pre-tapped? Do you have a mill, or drill press? EDIT: or do you mean the paperwork? I'm good with the paperwork aspect. I mean the actual physical and mechanical conversion to SBR. Mine is the version that CDNN was blowing out for $300-400 a few years back. It's got a plastic safety that is currently broken. So, I don't know if the receiver is pre-tapped. i'll go look in a minute. EDIT: I have not done an SBR conversion yet, this will be my first I think. |
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Posted: 1/8/2016 5:25:01 PM EDT
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Magazine sale. If you get to the "3 or more" price, that's a great deal.
http://www.clearviewinvest.com/vz61magpouchwith220rdmags32acp765x17.aspx |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 10:54:06 PM EDT
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Well, I got bored again.
There is a bit more going on in there than meets the eye. The grip is milled down the same thickness as the adapter so that the overall length of the grip is unchanged. It's also clearanced for the trigger guard internally. It seems to work pretty well for the "taut sling" style of large pistol shooting, and the pistol rests nicely at your waist. I'll try shooting it tomorrow and revise from there. I may try to make one that can clear the stock. Either way, I need to make another that isn't cut from a floor scrap. 
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Posted: 2/4/2016 10:07:43 PM EDT
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I saw that too. Recon Ordnance doesn't have them listed on their website, be he carries them as well and you have to call to order. I bought a couple from Czechpoint USA as well yesterday to compare them. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just got a email from czechpoint and the vz61 plate dovetail is now back in stock. I saw that too. Recon Ordnance doesn't have them listed on their website, be he carries them as well and you have to call to order. I bought a couple from Czechpoint USA as well yesterday to compare them. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile got my from recon. Was planning on doing a reweld, but boy those walls are thin....this might be a tough job. |
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Posted: 2/5/2016 1:41:00 AM EDT
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Magazine sale. If you get to the "3 or more" price, that's a great deal. http://www.clearviewinvest.com/vz61magpouchwith220rdmags32acp765x17.aspx .....sigh.....guess I need to buy 10 |
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Posted: 2/5/2016 2:42:29 AM EDT
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Magazine sale. If you get to the "3 or more" price, that's a great deal. http://www.clearviewinvest.com/vz61magpouchwith220rdmags32acp765x17.aspx .....sigh.....guess I need to buy 10 Hey, I can't blame you. I have...quite a few. 
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Posted: 2/22/2016 10:46:28 PM EDT
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Form just got approved today!
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Posted: 2/25/2016 1:23:12 PM EDT
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Form just got approved today! Pics! (the gun, not the form!) |
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Posted: 3/22/2016 3:06:20 PM EDT
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finally got fed up with my feed problems and took a dremel to the feed ramps. rounded off the edge/lip from the ramps on the bottom to the chamber itself (tried not to take off enough material that the round is unsupported) and polished the heck out of the ramps and mouth of the chamber. End result... it feeds properly now
I'll wait to call it a success until a range test, but this may very well be the first time grabbing the dremel in frustration actually fixed a problem. Backstory: this was a parts kit build with an unknown origin non-original barrel. Feed ramps are pretty different from those on an actual czech barrel. I've been fighting with this off and on for over a year. Tried half a dozen different mags, God know how many different brands of ammo, greasing oiling and fussing with everything imaginable. No matter what I tried, it would jam on feed with the round cocked up half in the chamber 100% of the time. |
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Posted: 3/27/2016 9:06:19 AM EDT
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Got to the range yesterday, my rage dremel grinding and polishing seemed to do the job. I can't be sure because halfway through the first magazine I got a squib, my first ever. Seemed to be primer and no powder, bullet lodged right past the chamber. Had to wait until I got home to tap it out. Geco ammo (I thought it was Win white box, but that was in the other mag)
Fed perfectly before that happened. It seems that the transition from the ramps to the chamber was sharp enough that the edge of the case could catch. in a few paychecks it might be time to put in for the stamp. 
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Posted: 3/27/2016 8:03:51 PM EDT
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Picked up a VZ-61 in .380 ACP, and took it to the range over the weekend.
It's much nicer than the .32 ACP one. My 32 would only run with FMJ, and only with Euro spec ammo. The .380 one worked fine with Federal FMJ ammo, PPU ammo, Wolk steel case, and Horaday hollow points. .380 is a decent enough caliber with hollow points now, that the pistol is more than just a range toy. With a 20 round mag, and stuffed full of good hollow points, it's a legitmate weapon. Also, the .380 barrel is .53 inches OD, so I can thread it, and put a can on it, which is going to look super cool, and with the low amount of powder in a .380 round, it should be very quiet as well. |
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Posted: 3/28/2016 10:09:15 PM EDT
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Magazine sale. If you get to the "3 or more" price, that's a great deal. http://www.clearviewinvest.com/vz61magpouchwith220rdmags32acp765x17.aspx Damn, missed out! I have plenty of mags, but I'm a mag whore so I would have bought more. . How much were they? CDNN has them for $19.99 and they have gone on sale for $14.99 so I'm guessing this was cheaper.Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/12/2016 12:00:23 PM EDT
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I've tried and tried to no avail - does anyone know of a gunsmith who will thread the barrel for a can? I desperately want to get this thing threaded, but all of my old leads are either out of the game or just totally cold.
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Posted: 4/12/2016 5:41:33 PM EDT
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I've tried and tried to no avail - does anyone know of a gunsmith who will thread the barrel for a can? I desperately want to get this thing threaded, but all of my old leads are either out of the game or just totally cold. Morgan at class III machining in TX |
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Posted: 4/12/2016 5:42:17 PM EDT
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I was messing around trying to make a peep sight, and I guess this first attempt would be a "proof of concept." You can see in one photo where I accidentally milled through to the pin hole. I'll make some corrections to my second attempt. I played around with the gun and it was much MUCH easier to aim with the stock deployed with a peep/diopter/ghost ring/what have you. http://imageshack.com/a/img905/2121/MYvGYa.jpg http://imageshack.com/a/img907/963/vgRTo0.jpg Where do we stand on this?
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Posted: 4/13/2016 9:29:01 PM EDT
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My gunsmith did mine for 50 bucks. Holler at me if you want his contact info. Since you can take the upper off, and the lower is the serial number part, you'd be able to send it by mail to him without any issues.
Now remember, the .32 ACP barrel is I belive .48" OD, so you can't cut a 1/2" x 28 TPI thread on it. You'll need to have it cut to a smaller OD thread pattern, and then get an adaptor to step it up to 1/2" x 28. There are lots of small OD thread patterns for .22, like the GSG, Sig Mositio, etc, but you'll also have to find one that allows for a .32 diameter barrel, and still leaves some metal left. A 10mm thread pitch would work I'd think, being aboutin the middle between the .32 and .50 cals of the ID/OD, but then you'd have to find an adaport. Me, I just bought a VZ-61 in .380, and it had a .52 cal OD barrel, so it was a snap to have threaded. And is it nice. Super quiet, as you'd expect, no jams, feeds both USA and Euro ammo, and hollow points too. |
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Posted: 4/13/2016 9:46:48 PM EDT
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I was messing around trying to make a peep sight, and I guess this first attempt would be a "proof of concept." You can see in one photo where I accidentally milled through to the pin hole. I'll make some corrections to my second attempt. I played around with the gun and it was much MUCH easier to aim with the stock deployed with a peep/diopter/ghost ring/what have you. http://imageshack.com/a/img905/2121/MYvGYa.jpg http://imageshack.com/a/img907/963/vgRTo0.jpg Where do we stand on this? |
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Posted: 4/15/2016 12:11:00 AM EDT
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I've tried and tried to no avail - does anyone know of a gunsmith who will thread the barrel for a can? I desperately want to get this thing threaded, but all of my old leads are either out of the game or just totally cold. Morgan at class III machining in TX Good call my man - gonna send mine off to Morgan to get threaded this week.
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