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Originally Posted By TurkeyLeg:
There has never been an MP5 or HK of any sort that had a 3 lug mount that wasnt machined into the barrel. We arent talking about the 3 lug itself. We are discussing the stackup of tolerances you get when you start piling on adapters. I honestly dont think you read or understood my post. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TurkeyLeg:
Originally Posted By robertmegar:
Originally Posted By TurkeyLeg:
Originally Posted By robertmegar:
Originally Posted By TurkeyLeg:
More ignorant questions. My buddies and I all have Scorpions in bound. You guys have pretty much convinced me that a 3-lug suppressor mount is the way to go. And you have convinced me that the Octane is the suppressor I should be focusing on. So, I understand that I will need a 3-lug adaptor (such as the one by Manticor) to convert the funky threads on the scorpion. But then do I need a special piston or adapter on the Octane itself for mounting to the 3-lug adapter? (I see that SilencerCo sells a 3-lug octane mount for $137.) So it appears that I need to purchase the 3-lug adapter for the scorpion, the octane suppressor itself, AND THEN spend another $137 for the 3-lug mount if 3-lug mounting is the route I want to go. Do I have this correct? It is about as clear as mud to me right now. 3 lug barrels are definitely handy. They retain the can very well and you dont have to worry about them unscrewing. When you put a threaded 3 lug adapter on a barrel, you lose the main benefit of the 3 lug coupler -- retention. If you were to say that your three lug adapter doesnt unthread, then a traditional threaded mount wouldnt either. So basically, you only gain that quick, efficient QD ability (which Ill admit is nice). Also, most 3 lug mounts have a significant amount of play. If youve never done it, mount your can on one of your other 3 lug barrels, and push up and down on the can. Youll see right away that there is a good bit of slop. If you add that slop to the slop youve already got when you use an adapter, you end up with a much higher chance of endcap strikes. Im not trying to scare anyone or say that the 3 lug mounts wont work, but you will definitely run a higher risk of problems. I wont personally use adapters. If I wanted 3 lug that bad, I would pull the barrel and have it machined that way. Or wait for an aftermarket one. My two cents. What is Rocksett?? Whatever you call slop, it doesn't matter for any measurable performance or safety issue. See the tens of thousands MP5 issued with three lugs used on service or on NFA owners with no pervasive problem. I honestly dont think you read or understood my post. From the look of Sven's illustrations, it appears that the Manticore arms Scorpion tri-lug mount will use the Scorpion's existing muzzle device retaining clip to prevent it coming loose. Will this be as tight as a barrel milled with tri-lugs, no, but looks to be better than a mount attached without this feature. I am hoping that it works well as I have just purchased a tri-lug mount for my Octane 45. FYI, if you are paying over 100 for a Silencerco Octane tri-lug mount, you need to exercise your Google skills. |
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Cheapest I can find is 101 from grabagun do you have a link to one that is cheaper?
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more mags in stock saw on slickguns
$20 http://czcustom.com/czevoscorpion9mm30rdmag.aspx $23 http://www.kygunco.com/CZ-Scorpion-9mm-30rd-Smoke-Clear-Polymer-Magazine-88192 |
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How are y'all organizing your 30 round mags?
I've been thinking I want to do something like a Kyle Box like they use on the Uzi forums but wondering how it would work with the curve in the 30 rounders. |
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For those of you with approved efile form 1's, did you guys put "CZ Scorpion evo 3 s1" or leave off the CZ for the model? The option for both is there. Just want to make sure it's correct before I submit it. Thanks!
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Suppress everything.
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Originally Posted By 70satvert:
For those of you with approved efile form 1's, did you guys put "CZ Scorpion evo 3 s1" or leave off the CZ for the model? The option for both is there. Just want to make sure it's correct before I submit it. Thanks! View Quote My approved form reads: Scorpion Evo 3 S1 |
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I starting to think that these companies are just harvesting info and getting traffic to their website. Plenty in stock when I add them to the cart but as soon as I finish registering to their site.... bang.. sold out.
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Originally Posted By ImageX:
QD mount from PMM. Still waiting on final design for the rear. http://imageshack.com/a/img673/6923/YKXEpB.jpg View Quote Is that simply threaded into the tiny nut molded into the right side of the receiver...? If those strip, the receiver needs to be replaced - I know this first-hand, unfortunately. |
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Got 6 shiny new 30 round scorpion mags in the mail today from Cote. That was fast!
Now if I could just take delivery of the gun...... |
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Originally Posted By USMC_JA:
Got 6 shiny new 30 round scorpion mags in the mail today from Cote. That was fast! Now if I could just take delivery of the gun...... View Quote Greg Cote amazes me, he got me my mags in two days and that was East coast to West coast. Long time customer of G Cote (he sells Sig mags and others too). |
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Originally Posted By mrsaturn7085:
Is that simply threaded into the tiny nut molded into the right side of the receiver...? If those strip, the receiver needs to be replaced - I know this first-hand, unfortunately. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By mrsaturn7085:
Originally Posted By ImageX:
QD mount from PMM. Still waiting on final design for the rear. http://imageshack.com/a/img673/6923/YKXEpB.jpg Is that simply threaded into the tiny nut molded into the right side of the receiver...? If those strip, the receiver needs to be replaced - I know this first-hand, unfortunately. I don't have them yet but I'm sure it utilizes the receiver bolt. You can contact Jarod with any questions you might have. [email protected] |
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How long between ordering and receiving the adapter? One of the thing that kept me from ordering one was the fact that my 9mm ar barrel took over 6 months to be delivered.
Originally Posted By Engineer:
My TROS 3-lug adapter just showed up in the mail: http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j88/Engineer303/ammo_and_guns/2DEA53B9-63A7-474C-BCDF-1CD646DA2919_zpsowjbiq7i.jpg http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j88/Engineer303/ammo_and_guns/17DAC226-70E9-450F-B7E8-BD1578B01F92_zpsr0ydzmlw.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By DigDug:
Vortex Venom 3 MOA with factory mount. Looks to be co-witnessed, but it is not sighted in. I have an American defense QR mount coming any day now for it. <a href="http://s268.photobucket.com/user/DigDug111/media/b9f1ccf7-61cb-4401-bad5-c08838506d4f_zpsuww7jg7f.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj27/DigDug111/b9f1ccf7-61cb-4401-bad5-c08838506d4f_zpsuww7jg7f.jpg</a> View Quote Just last night I was trying to decide between the Vortex Venom and the Viper. What made you go with the Venom over the Viper? When you get the ADM mount please post more pics. That's also the mount I was considering. |
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Anyone know who has the buffer tube adapter in stock? I can't find one anywhere
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Originally Posted By Mecha_Loopy:
Just last night I was trying to decide between the Vortex Venom and the Viper. What made you go with the Venom over the Viper? When you get the ADM mount please post more pics. That's also the mount I was considering. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mecha_Loopy:
Originally Posted By DigDug:
Vortex Venom 3 MOA with factory mount. Looks to be co-witnessed, but it is not sighted in. I have an American defense QR mount coming any day now for it. <a href="http://s268.photobucket.com/user/DigDug111/media/b9f1ccf7-61cb-4401-bad5-c08838506d4f_zpsuww7jg7f.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj27/DigDug111/b9f1ccf7-61cb-4401-bad5-c08838506d4f_zpsuww7jg7f.jpg</a> Just last night I was trying to decide between the Vortex Venom and the Viper. What made you go with the Venom over the Viper? When you get the ADM mount please post more pics. That's also the mount I was considering. The venom has the top load battery compartment. Also, wanted the smaller dot if I ever move it to an AR platform. |
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I made a video of the complete disassembly of the Scorpion. I ran into issues taking some parts off the lower so hopefully this video will help if you run into the same issues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AIMO9onCXs |
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Originally Posted By Dustrod:
I made a video of the complete disassembly of the Scorpion. I ran into issues taking some parts off the lower so hopefully this video will help if you run into the same issues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AIMO9onCXs View Quote When removing the barrel nut, where do you clamp the weapon to avoid cracking the receiver? |
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Originally Posted By Dustrod:
I made a video of the complete disassembly of the Scorpion. I ran into issues taking some parts off the lower so hopefully this video will help if you run into the same issues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AIMO9onCXs View Quote Excellent video, I am going to repost it on the Manticore Facebook page. |
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Originally Posted By mrsaturn7085:
When removing the barrel nut, where do you clamp the weapon to avoid cracking the receiver? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By mrsaturn7085:
Originally Posted By Dustrod:
I made a video of the complete disassembly of the Scorpion. I ran into issues taking some parts off the lower so hopefully this video will help if you run into the same issues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AIMO9onCXs When removing the barrel nut, where do you clamp the weapon to avoid cracking the receiver? It isn't torqued too tight, you should be able to hold it with one hand and wrench with the other. If you have an issue you can put Magpul ladder rail covers on for protection and then put it in the vice. I actually had to do that to remove my three lug after I had Rocksetted it on |
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Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
Excellent video, I am going to repost it on the Manticore Facebook page. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
Originally Posted By Dustrod:
I made a video of the complete disassembly of the Scorpion. I ran into issues taking some parts off the lower so hopefully this video will help if you run into the same issues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AIMO9onCXs Excellent video, I am going to repost it on the Manticore Facebook page. Nice |
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Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
Excellent video, I am going to repost it on the Manticore Facebook page. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
Originally Posted By Dustrod:
I made a video of the complete disassembly of the Scorpion. I ran into issues taking some parts off the lower so hopefully this video will help if you run into the same issues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AIMO9onCXs Excellent video, I am going to repost it on the Manticore Facebook page. Do you have any comments on the tolerance stacking issue that was discussed a couple pages back with respect to using 3-lug adapters on the scorpion? I do NOT want to start a pissing match as I appreciate all the comments. But since it is your part that I am eye-balling, and I am trying to make an informed decision, figure you guys would have some input one way or another. |
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Originally Posted By Dustrod:
It isn't torqued too tight, you should be able to hold it with one hand and wrench with the other. If you have an issue you can put Magpul ladder rail covers on for protection and then put it in the vice. I actually had to do that to remove my three lug after I had Rocksetted it on View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Dustrod:
Originally Posted By mrsaturn7085:
Originally Posted By Dustrod:
I made a video of the complete disassembly of the Scorpion. I ran into issues taking some parts off the lower so hopefully this video will help if you run into the same issues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AIMO9onCXs When removing the barrel nut, where do you clamp the weapon to avoid cracking the receiver? It isn't torqued too tight, you should be able to hold it with one hand and wrench with the other. If you have an issue you can put Magpul ladder rail covers on for protection and then put it in the vice. I actually had to do that to remove my three lug after I had Rocksetted it on I must have just had bad luck. My receiver cracked before the nut even budged. Gun was replaced under warranty - should get it today. |
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Originally Posted By USMC_JA:
Do you have any comments on the tolerance stacking issue that was discussed a couple pages back with respect to using 3-lug adapters on the scorpion? I do NOT want to start a pissing match as I appreciate all the comments. But since it is your part that I am eye-balling, and I am trying to make an informed decision, figure you guys would have some input one way or another. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By USMC_JA:
Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
Originally Posted By Dustrod:
I made a video of the complete disassembly of the Scorpion. I ran into issues taking some parts off the lower so hopefully this video will help if you run into the same issues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AIMO9onCXs Excellent video, I am going to repost it on the Manticore Facebook page. Do you have any comments on the tolerance stacking issue that was discussed a couple pages back with respect to using 3-lug adapters on the scorpion? I do NOT want to start a pissing match as I appreciate all the comments. But since it is your part that I am eye-balling, and I am trying to make an informed decision, figure you guys would have some input one way or another. Use a .45 can. Accept a 5-10% loss in suppression performance without worrying about baffle strikes. ??? Profit. |
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Originally Posted By mrsaturn7085:
Use a .45 can. Accept a 5-10% loss in suppression performance without worrying about baffle strikes. ??? Profit. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By mrsaturn7085:
Originally Posted By USMC_JA:
Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
Originally Posted By Dustrod:
I made a video of the complete disassembly of the Scorpion. I ran into issues taking some parts off the lower so hopefully this video will help if you run into the same issues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AIMO9onCXs Excellent video, I am going to repost it on the Manticore Facebook page. Do you have any comments on the tolerance stacking issue that was discussed a couple pages back with respect to using 3-lug adapters on the scorpion? I do NOT want to start a pissing match as I appreciate all the comments. But since it is your part that I am eye-balling, and I am trying to make an informed decision, figure you guys would have some input one way or another. Use a .45 can. Accept a 5-10% loss in suppression performance without worrying about baffle strikes. ??? Profit. You sacrifice sound suppression as well as size. I wouldn't pay SBR tax just to turnaround and put unnecessary length back on the gun. No compromises. |
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Originally Posted By ImageX:
You sacrifice sound suppression as well as size. I wouldn't pay SBR tax just to turnaround and put unnecessary length back on the gun. No compromises. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ImageX:
Originally Posted By mrsaturn7085:
Use a .45 can. Accept a 5-10% loss in suppression performance without worrying about baffle strikes. ??? Profit. You sacrifice sound suppression as well as size. I wouldn't pay SBR tax just to turnaround and put unnecessary length back on the gun. No compromises. My thoughts too. I want the shortest, lightest set up I can make with the Scorpion. The only question (to me) is the mount at this point. |
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Originally Posted By USMC_JA:
Do you have any comments on the tolerance stacking issue that was discussed a couple pages back with respect to using 3-lug adapters on the scorpion? I do NOT want to start a pissing match as I appreciate all the comments. But since it is your part that I am eye-balling, and I am trying to make an informed decision, figure you guys would have some input one way or another. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By USMC_JA:
Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
Originally Posted By Dustrod:
I made a video of the complete disassembly of the Scorpion. I ran into issues taking some parts off the lower so hopefully this video will help if you run into the same issues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AIMO9onCXs Excellent video, I am going to repost it on the Manticore Facebook page. Do you have any comments on the tolerance stacking issue that was discussed a couple pages back with respect to using 3-lug adapters on the scorpion? I do NOT want to start a pissing match as I appreciate all the comments. But since it is your part that I am eye-balling, and I am trying to make an informed decision, figure you guys would have some input one way or another. People have been putting thread on Tri-lug adapters on 1/2x28 and 1/2x36 tpi threaded HK barrels for years (often HK94's cut down from 16" to 8" when SBR'ed and the like) and there have not been issues. My personal opinion is people are throwing around terms without really knowing or understanding the relationship of the parts or thread types. You are going to get more chance of offest boreline from a tri-lug, whether or not integral to the barrel or a thread on adapter, than from any thread on adapter. The 18x1 metric is a pretty fine and snug fitting thread, and the barrel cocentricity looks good. I do not forsee any issues. On an aside, from an engineering standpoint a tri-lug is a both an expensive and not ideal solution for accurately mounting a suppressor. What it is meant for is a system that allows very quick mounting and demounting and you do not have to worry about fouled threads. |
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Originally Posted By pedro66:
So I know we did the first SBR and the first select fire conversion the day these hit the stores now had a customer who really wanted a 922r Evo told him that a kit was coming but he wanted it now and will buy the kit later so here it is Parts made/replaced Trigger Hammer 1/2x28 Adaptor Stock End Magazine Follower Magazine Base http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq173/pedro_66/Comp_zpsgpwhbve2.jpg View Quote Cost and availability? |
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Originally Posted By pedro66:
So I know we did the first SBR and the first select fire conversion the day these hit the stores now had a customer who really wanted a 922r Evo told him that a kit was coming but he wanted it now and will buy the kit later so here it is Parts made/replaced Trigger Hammer 1/2x28 Adaptor Stock End Magazine Follower Magazine Base http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq173/pedro_66/Comp_zpsgpwhbve2.jpg View Quote Is this something you're selling? If so how could we get one, cost etc? |
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BTW, I will be willing to shell $200 bucks for a dedicated 3-lug barrel. Anybody?
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Considering the adapters to run an AAC can will run you around $280...
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Originally Posted By GTHKTX:
Does KAK not have any? I ordered from them about a week ago and they had a ton in stock View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By GTHKTX:
Originally Posted By Sherminator:
Anyone know who has the buffer tube adapter in stock? I can't find one anywhere Does KAK not have any? I ordered from them about a week ago and they had a ton in stock They were out of stock until about 11am yesterday. Got the email notification they were back in stock and ordered right away! |
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200 + 80 for the muzzle adapter.
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Anybody have a slide fire/folding sig brace in the works for the scorpion yet?
Its a serious question, since we can't get a fun switch. |
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Originally Posted By DigDug:
This is going to have to do until my Form 1 comes back: <a href="http://s268.photobucket.com/user/DigDug111/media/2015-06-26%2021.34.48_zpsjj3bxgyo.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj27/DigDug111/2015-06-26%2021.34.48_zpsjj3bxgyo.jpg</a> <a href="http://s268.photobucket.com/user/DigDug111/media/2015-06-26%2021.35.00_zpsrzox0wyi.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj27/DigDug111/2015-06-26%2021.35.00_zpsrzox0wyi.jpg</a> <a href="http://s268.photobucket.com/user/DigDug111/media/2015-06-26%2021.35.43_zpsaeub71nj.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj27/DigDug111/2015-06-26%2021.35.43_zpsaeub71nj.jpg</a> <a href="http://s268.photobucket.com/user/DigDug111/media/2015-06-26%2021.35.24_zpsal5khaqh.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj27/DigDug111/2015-06-26%2021.35.24_zpsal5khaqh.jpg</a> View Quote How do you like the ADM mount paired with the Vortex? |
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Sweet. Just got the email, Form 1 finally approved. now I just need a compliance kit/factory stock...
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